(07-28-2017 11:23 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Everyone who has an agenda they hold steadfast to must deny facts from time to time so they don't seem weak, lol.

Yup. That's how politics works.

(07-28-2017 09:20 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 09:08 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 09:04 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 08:48 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 08:40 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Life giving warmth isn't scary. A cooling planet would be cause for concerned.

yup....

LOL wow... please tell me this isa joke.

seriously??? no, it is not....

if you don't understand how warming cycles help "life" survive, I can't add to that or help ya.....

Nobody disputes natural warming and cooling cycles but they happen very gradually over tens of thousands of years. Humans have put their finger on a finely tuned scale and there will be serious consequences.

We have 50/80 degree temp swings every 6 months. Not gradual at all. And we survive. And in fact do extremely better at the upper end of those yearly swings.

And people continue shaking in a corner over the thought of a fraction, a very very small fraction that may or may not materialize, of that over a century.

(07-29-2017 08:04 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 09:20 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 09:08 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 09:04 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 08:48 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  yup....

LOL wow... please tell me this isa joke.

seriously??? no, it is not....

if you don't understand how warming cycles help "life" survive, I can't add to that or help ya.....

Nobody disputes natural warming and cooling cycles but they happen very gradually over tens of thousands of years. Humans have put their finger on a finely tuned scale and there will be serious consequences.

We have 50/80 degree temp swings every 6 months. Not gradual at all. And we survive. And in fact do extremely better at the upper end of those yearly swings.

And people continue shaking in a corner over the thought of a fraction, a very very small fraction that may or may not materialize, of that over a century.

Hahaha

Yep, seasons = average global temperatures

You people are hopeless.

You worry over a very small increase over a century. I point out HUUUGE swings over a few months aren't as devastating as you believe the gradual small change would be. By all means, feel free to laugh if you feel your insanity warrants laughter.

(07-28-2017 06:04 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 05:45 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 05:36 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  What the outcome of the video?
What where you right about?

People who like to look down their noses at people for being skeptical of climate change tend to be the ones who oppose GMOs, vaccines, and nuclear power.

Skepticism of scientific consenses is not unique to the Republican side.

I don't oppose GMOs, I'm pro vaccine, and nuclear power. I also look down my nose at climate change deniers. Personally I feel that most people that deny science are either ignorant or partisan beyond reason.

Same here....I cant say though Ive ever met anyone that denies that the climate is changing.

(07-29-2017 11:22 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-29-2017 08:04 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 09:20 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 09:08 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 09:04 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  LOL wow... please tell me this isa joke.

seriously??? no, it is not....

if you don't understand how warming cycles help "life" survive, I can't add to that or help ya.....

Nobody disputes natural warming and cooling cycles but they happen very gradually over tens of thousands of years. Humans have put their finger on a finely tuned scale and there will be serious consequences.

We have 50/80 degree temp swings every 6 months. Not gradual at all. And we survive. And in fact do extremely better at the upper end of those yearly swings.

And people continue shaking in a corner over the thought of a fraction, a very very small fraction that may or may not materialize, of that over a century.

Hahaha

Yep, seasons = average global temperatures

You people are hopeless.

So how do you explain past climate change before human activity? I submit in fact...it was much more drastic than anything ever experience in human history. Do I think human activity has some impact? Sure. Minimally...but..no where as much impact as the natural cycles of the planet. We are like ants in your yard...a nuisance to the planet. The arrogance of humans and how they see their importance shows clearly in this issue.

Im all for doing what we can to have clean air and clean water. I doubt anyone is against that goal. These are the issues everyone should concentrate instead of being reactionary,hyperbolic and out right dishonest when it comes to the issue of climate change.

(07-29-2017 12:20 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-29-2017 11:22 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-29-2017 08:04 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 09:20 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 09:08 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  seriously??? no, it is not....

if you don't understand how warming cycles help "life" survive, I can't add to that or help ya.....

Nobody disputes natural warming and cooling cycles but they happen very gradually over tens of thousands of years. Humans have put their finger on a finely tuned scale and there will be serious consequences.

We have 50/80 degree temp swings every 6 months. Not gradual at all. And we survive. And in fact do extremely better at the upper end of those yearly swings.

And people continue shaking in a corner over the thought of a fraction, a very very small fraction that may or may not materialize, of that over a century.

Hahaha

Yep, seasons = average global temperatures

You people are hopeless.

So how do you explain past climate change before human activity? I submit in fact...it was much more drastic than anything ever experience in human history. Do I think human activity has some impact? Sure. Minimally...but..no where as much impact as the natural cycles of the planet. We are like ants in your yard...a nuisance to the planet. The arrogance of humans and how they see their importance shows clearly in this issue.

Im all for doing what we can to have clean air and clean water. I doubt anyone is against that goal. These are the issues everyone should concentrate instead of being reactionary,hyperbolic and out right dishonest when it comes to the issue of climate change.

Bless your heart. I wish I had your scientific literacy, when do you accept your Nobel prize?

I don't have the patience to teach you how to science. There are thousands of studies you can read if your interested. Spoiler 97% of them agree, I'll let you figure out which side science is on.

(07-29-2017 12:36 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-29-2017 12:20 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-29-2017 11:22 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-29-2017 08:04 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 09:20 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Nobody disputes natural warming and cooling cycles but they happen very gradually over tens of thousands of years. Humans have put their finger on a finely tuned scale and there will be serious consequences.

We have 50/80 degree temp swings every 6 months. Not gradual at all. And we survive. And in fact do extremely better at the upper end of those yearly swings.

And people continue shaking in a corner over the thought of a fraction, a very very small fraction that may or may not materialize, of that over a century.

Hahaha

Yep, seasons = average global temperatures

You people are hopeless.

So how do you explain past climate change before human activity? I submit in fact...it was much more drastic than anything ever experience in human history. Do I think human activity has some impact? Sure. Minimally...but..no where as much impact as the natural cycles of the planet. We are like ants in your yard...a nuisance to the planet. The arrogance of humans and how they see their importance shows clearly in this issue.

Im all for doing what we can to have clean air and clean water. I doubt anyone is against that goal. These are the issues everyone should concentrate instead of being reactionary,hyperbolic and out right dishonest when it comes to the issue of climate change.

Bless your heart. I wish I had your scientific literacy, when do you accept your Nobel prize?

I don't have the patience to teach you how to science. There are thousands of studies you can read if your interested. Spoiler 97% of them agree, I'll let you figure out which side science is on.

This is exactly the arrogance I was talking about..... Ad nauseam screaming about thousands of studies that are as full of BS as they are.

(07-29-2017 12:36 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Bless your heart. I wish I had your scientific literacy, when do you accept your Nobel prize?

I don't have the patience to teach you how to science. There are thousands of studies you can read if your interested. Spoiler 97% of them agree, I'll let you figure out which side science is on.

Bless YOUR heart.

(07-29-2017 12:55 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-29-2017 12:36 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Bless your heart. I wish I had your scientific literacy, when do you accept your Nobel prize?

I don't have the patience to teach you how to science. There are thousands of studies you can read if your interested. Spoiler 97% of them agree, I'll let you figure out which side science is on.

Bless YOUR heart.

It's a great racket climate scientists have set up for themselves. I hope they send tribute monthly to the Great Algore for setting up their life-jobs for them.

Anecdotally, I've noticed that engineers tend to be big government conservatives, while IT guys tend to be Democrats with libertarian leanings.

Sounds like y'all have been eating those lead paint chips big science lied to you about lol

I love that the thread about believing in science has devolved into cons claiming scientist can't be trusted to tell the truth.

(07-30-2017 10:40 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  Sounds like y'all have been eating those lead paint chips big science lied to you about lol

Ah, but there is PROOF that lead causes damage to the human body. There is no verifiable proof humans or their industrial output causes climate change. Smog is provable. Smog causing respitorial issues on the human body is provable. There is no proof emissions cause the temperature of the planet to rise. If you want to convince people to reduce emissions you should stick to facts that can be proven and not theories based on unrelated corollaries. I'd be much more likely to take someone seriously if they told me pollution is bad for my daughter than running around like hysterics claiming that we're heating the planet up when they can't prove it.

(07-30-2017 10:49 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 10:40 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  Sounds like y'all have been eating those lead paint chips big science lied to you about lol

Ah, but there is PROOF that lead causes damage to the human body. There is no verifiable proof humans or their industrial output causes climate change. Smog is provable. Smog causing respitorial issues on the human body is provable. There is no proof emissions cause the temperature of the planet to rise. If you want to convince people to reduce emissions you should stick to facts that can be proven and not theories based on unrelated corollaries. I'd be much more likely to take someone seriously if they told me pollution is bad for my daughter than running around like hysterics claiming that we're heating the planet up when they can't prove it.

You touch on why the "global warming" issue is a failure when you mentioned smog. What the advocates of global warming should do is just concentrate on clean air. No one has a problem with clean air and the outcome would be the same...lower carbon emissions. What has happened is there are lots of people so heavily tied to this greenhouse issue that to do so would be seen as an admission of failure.

(07-30-2017 10:49 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 10:40 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  Sounds like y'all have been eating those lead paint chips big science lied to you about lol

Ah, but there is PROOF that lead causes damage to the human body. There is no verifiable proof humans or their industrial output causes climate change. Smog is provable. Smog causing respitorial issues on the human body is provable. There is no proof emissions cause the temperature of the planet to rise. If you want to convince people to reduce emissions you should stick to facts that can be proven and not theories based on unrelated corollaries. I'd be much more likely to take someone seriously if they told me pollution is bad for my daughter than running around like hysterics claiming that we're heating the planet up when they can't prove it.

LuckilyI don't have to convince cons on here, once their polititians tell them to believe in it they will.

(07-30-2017 10:49 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 10:40 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  Sounds like y'all have been eating those lead paint chips big science lied to you about lol

Ah, but there is PROOF that lead causes damage to the human body. There is no verifiable proof humans or their industrial output causes climate change. Smog is provable. Smog causing respitorial issues on the human body is provable. There is no proof emissions cause the temperature of the planet to rise. If you want to convince people to reduce emissions you should stick to facts that can be proven and not theories based on unrelated corollaries. I'd be much more likely to take someone seriously if they told me pollution is bad for my daughter than running around like hysterics claiming that we're heating the planet up when they can't prove it.

anecdotally, he is right about lead....it took ~30 yrs to eradicate to non-toxic levels....

the real irony, is it's why we have clean rooms to the level of today's standards....

having said that, there is zero evidence human contribution is responsible other than our limited knowledge base and conjecturing that fills today's psychobabble-warming-agenda based analyses

using today's data/discovery, the variables are too expansive to prove and any theory is merely agenda driven....

and even if they are correct that sea levels will rise to the point of protecting/evacuating coastlines.....I only see that as a benefit in collapse via construction spending.....

either you let nature run on her terms (which she will regardless), or start killing people....ol' mother nature doesn't give a shite either way....

global warming.......what a ******* joke....

discussing solutions for the ifs is what needs to be happening......and it is.....however, some think there's a magic switch and a century of handshakes will balance the effect.....oil is the devil.....idiots they are....

(07-30-2017 11:29 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 10:49 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 10:40 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  Sounds like y'all have been eating those lead paint chips big science lied to you about lol

Ah, but there is PROOF that lead causes damage to the human body. There is no verifiable proof humans or their industrial output causes climate change. Smog is provable. Smog causing respitorial issues on the human body is provable. There is no proof emissions cause the temperature of the planet to rise. If you want to convince people to reduce emissions you should stick to facts that can be proven and not theories based on unrelated corollaries. I'd be much more likely to take someone seriously if they told me pollution is bad for my daughter than running around like hysterics claiming that we're heating the planet up when they can't prove it.

anecdotally, he is right about lead....it took ~30 yrs to eradicate to non-toxic levels....

the real irony, is it's why we have clean rooms to the level of today's standards....

having said that, there is zero evidence human contribution is responsible other than our limited knowledge base and conjecturing that fills today's psychobabble-warming-agenda based analyses

using today's data/discovery, the variables are too expansive to prove and any theory is merely agenda driven....

and even if they are correct that sea levels will rise to the point of protecting/evacuating coastlines.....I only see that as a benefit in collapse via construction spending.....

either you let nature run on her terms (which she will regardless), or start killing people....ol' mother nature doesn't give a shite either way....

global warming.......what a ******* joke....

discussing solutions for the ifs is what needs to be happening......and it is.....however, some think there's a magic switch and a century of handshakes will balance the effect.....oil is the devil.....idiots they are....

Lol that's a new one I havnt heard before.

(07-30-2017 11:37 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 11:29 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 10:49 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 10:40 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  Sounds like y'all have been eating those lead paint chips big science lied to you about lol

Ah, but there is PROOF that lead causes damage to the human body. There is no verifiable proof humans or their industrial output causes climate change. Smog is provable. Smog causing respitorial issues on the human body is provable. There is no proof emissions cause the temperature of the planet to rise. If you want to convince people to reduce emissions you should stick to facts that can be proven and not theories based on unrelated corollaries. I'd be much more likely to take someone seriously if they told me pollution is bad for my daughter than running around like hysterics claiming that we're heating the planet up when they can't prove it.

anecdotally, he is right about lead....it took ~30 yrs to eradicate to non-toxic levels....

the real irony, is it's why we have clean rooms to the level of today's standards....

having said that, there is zero evidence human contribution is responsible other than our limited knowledge base and conjecturing that fills today's psychobabble-warming-agenda based analyses

using today's data/discovery, the variables are too expansive to prove and any theory is merely agenda driven....

and even if they are correct that sea levels will rise to the point of protecting/evacuating coastlines.....I only see that as a benefit in collapse via construction spending.....

either you let nature run on her terms (which she will regardless), or start killing people....ol' mother nature doesn't give a shite either way....

global warming.......what a ******* joke....

discussing solutions for the ifs is what needs to be happening......and it is.....however, some think there's a magic switch and a century of handshakes will balance the effect.....oil is the devil.....idiots they are....

Lol that's a new one I havnt heard before.

cause/effect.....I'm chock full of 'em....

(07-30-2017 10:40 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  Sounds like y'all have been eating those lead paint chips big science lied to you about lol

I love that the thread about believing in science has devolved into cons claiming scientist can't be trusted to tell the truth.

You used the 97% number lie. Pretty evident who eat some paint chips.

(07-30-2017 12:05 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 10:40 AM)Godzilla Wrote:  Sounds like y'all have been eating those lead paint chips big science lied to you about lol

I love that the thread about believing in science has devolved into cons claiming scientist can't be trusted to tell the truth.

You used the 97% number lie. Pretty evident who eat some paint chips.

Yeah I guess I believe the lie those partisan hacks over at NASA are propagating. Silly me.