(07-21-2017 08:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 11:59 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 10:08 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 11:38 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Color me completely surprised that Susan Collins does not support a party-line viewpoint. Shocked, I tell you, completely baffled. NOT.

I have no clue why Collins doesn't just switch parties. She's a liberal democrat in everything but name.

If you look at voting records over the past few years, she's pretty much the only senator from either party who could properly be called a moderate.

Right. She's not liberal. And Republicans in New England do tend to be moderates.

She supports Planned Parenthood
She supports gun control
She supports abortion
She supports amnesty for illegal aliens
She supports allowing illegal aliens benefits like in-state tuition and welfare
She proposed a bill that would have stripped US citizens of a Constitutional right without due process.

That's not moderate, that's out and out leftist.

(07-23-2017 07:31 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 08:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 11:59 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 10:08 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 11:38 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Color me completely surprised that Susan Collins does not support a party-line viewpoint. Shocked, I tell you, completely baffled. NOT.

I have no clue why Collins doesn't just switch parties. She's a liberal democrat in everything but name.

If you look at voting records over the past few years, she's pretty much the only senator from either party who could properly be called a moderate.

Right. She's not liberal. And Republicans in New England do tend to be moderates.

She supports Planned Parenthood
She supports gun control
She supports abortion
She supports amnesty for illegal aliens
She supports allowing illegal aliens benefits like in-state tuition and welfare
She proposed a bill that would have stripped US citizens of a Constitutional right without due process.
That's not moderate, that's out and out leftist.

She's left on those issues, conservative on others. That's what most moderates are. Very few actually take the middle position on every issue. And even fewer of those get elected.

(07-23-2017 07:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 07:31 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 08:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 11:59 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 10:08 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  I have no clue why Collins doesn't just switch parties. She's a liberal democrat in everything but name.

If you look at voting records over the past few years, she's pretty much the only senator from either party who could properly be called a moderate.

Right. She's not liberal. And Republicans in New England do tend to be moderates.

She supports Planned Parenthood
She supports gun control
She supports abortion
She supports amnesty for illegal aliens
She supports allowing illegal aliens benefits like in-state tuition and welfare
She proposed a bill that would have stripped US citizens of a Constitutional right without due process.
That's not moderate, that's out and out leftist.

She's left on those issues, conservative on others. That's what most moderates are. Very few actually take the middle position on every issue. And even fewer of those get elected.

So she's a moderate because she's conservative on non-important matters and liberal on all the important ones?

Glad we don't have more "moderates" like her.

FFS kap.



and she hardly sounds pro gun control

Quote:Voted NO on banning high-capacity magazines of over 10 bullets. (Apr 2013)
Voted NO on allowing firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains. (Apr 2009)
Voted YES on prohibiting foreign & UN aid that restricts US gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
Rated B+ by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Dec 2003)
Oppose the United Nations' Arms Trade Treaty. (Sep 2013)

if that's enough to qualify for being anti-guns and "taking away a constitutional right according to kap then he is mentally unfit to comment on gun policy

(07-23-2017 08:01 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 07:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 07:31 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 08:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 11:59 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If you look at voting records over the past few years, she's pretty much the only senator from either party who could properly be called a moderate.

Right. She's not liberal. And Republicans in New England do tend to be moderates.

She supports Planned Parenthood
She supports gun control
She supports abortion
She supports amnesty for illegal aliens
She supports allowing illegal aliens benefits like in-state tuition and welfare
She proposed a bill that would have stripped US citizens of a Constitutional right without due process.
That's not moderate, that's out and out leftist.

She's left on those issues, conservative on others. That's what most moderates are. Very few actually take the middle position on every issue. And even fewer of those get elected.

So she's a moderate because she's conservative on non-important matters and liberal on all the important ones?
Glad we don't have more "moderates" like her.

Well, abortion and Planned Parenthood aren't big issues for me. Gun control is, but her positions aren't as far left as you have characterized them here. Illegal aliens are, but nobody in either party seems to want to go the way that makes sense to me. As for stripping constitutional rights, I'm not sure what you are talking about there.

She is a fiscal conservative, more so than many so-called "conservatives," and that is a big issue for me.

(07-23-2017 09:39 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 08:01 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 07:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 07:31 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 08:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  Right. She's not liberal. And Republicans in New England do tend to be moderates.

She supports Planned Parenthood
She supports gun control
She supports abortion
She supports amnesty for illegal aliens
She supports allowing illegal aliens benefits like in-state tuition and welfare
She proposed a bill that would have stripped US citizens of a Constitutional right without due process.
That's not moderate, that's out and out leftist.

She's left on those issues, conservative on others. That's what most moderates are. Very few actually take the middle position on every issue. And even fewer of those get elected.

So she's a moderate because she's conservative on non-important matters and liberal on all the important ones?
Glad we don't have more "moderates" like her.

Well, abortion and Planned Parenthood aren't big issues for me. Gun control is, but her positions aren't as far left as you have characterized them here. Illegal aliens are, but nobody in either party seems to want to go the way that makes sense to me. As for stripping constitutional rights, I'm not sure what you are talking about there.

She is a fiscal conservative, more so than many so-called "conservatives," and that is a big issue for me.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...se/488120/

Quote:In a white paper, Collins’s office described the major provisions of the amendment: It prohibits gun sales to people on two terrorist watch lists, including the No Fly List; it allows for American citizens and green-card holders to appeal if their purchase is restricted and to get attorney fees recouped if they win; and it includes a “look-back provision” that requires FBI notification if someone who’s recently appeared in a broader terrorism database buys a gun. At the press conference, Collins noted that the total number of people on the two restricted lists is roughly 100,000, most of whom are foreign nationals.

She proposed that American citizens be stripped of Constitutional rights by a nameless, faceless bureaucrat putting them on a secret list in a process that has never been explained to the American people.

She has a B+ rating from the NRA SMH. Kap is completely delusional

(07-23-2017 09:39 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 08:01 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 07:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 07:31 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 08:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  Right. She's not liberal. And Republicans in New England do tend to be moderates.

She supports Planned Parenthood
She supports gun control
She supports abortion
She supports amnesty for illegal aliens
She supports allowing illegal aliens benefits like in-state tuition and welfare
She proposed a bill that would have stripped US citizens of a Constitutional right without due process.
That's not moderate, that's out and out leftist.

She's left on those issues, conservative on others. That's what most moderates are. Very few actually take the middle position on every issue. And even fewer of those get elected.

So she's a moderate because she's conservative on non-important matters and liberal on all the important ones?
Glad we don't have more "moderates" like her.

Well, abortion and Planned Parenthood aren't big issues for me. Gun control is, but her positions aren't as far left as you have characterized them here. Illegal aliens are, but nobody in either party seems to want to go the way that makes sense to me. As for stripping constitutional rights, I'm not sure what you are talking about there.

She is a fiscal conservative, more so than many so-called "conservatives," and that is a big issue for me.

Really? Since when? Wasn't she one of only three Republicans to vote for the stimulus package?

You sure we are talking about the same Susan Collins? The one that the Club for Growth rated at 24% in 2016 and 35% lifetime for votes on issues that grow our economy and shrink the federal government?

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/scorecards/...mit=Search

(07-23-2017 07:31 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 08:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 11:59 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 10:08 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-18-2017 11:38 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Color me completely surprised that Susan Collins does not support a party-line viewpoint. Shocked, I tell you, completely baffled. NOT.

I have no clue why Collins doesn't just switch parties. She's a liberal democrat in everything but name.

If you look at voting records over the past few years, she's pretty much the only senator from either party who could properly be called a moderate.

Right. She's not liberal. And Republicans in New England do tend to be moderates.

She supports Planned Parenthood
She supports gun control
She supports abortion
She supports amnesty for illegal aliens
She supports allowing illegal aliens benefits like in-state tuition and welfare
She proposed a bill that would have stripped US citizens of a Constitutional right without due process.

That's not moderate, that's out and out leftist.

Trump cheerleader Mike Huckabee also let children of Illegal aliens get government funded paid by the tax payers to children of illegals. Rick Perry did the exact same thing. Some of Trump's supporters or cabinet members do the things we as voters did not want them to do.