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RE: Alternate History College Sports Realignment Scenarios
(10-07-2017 10:14 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Of course if Miami is "Ohio State", then perhaps Cincinnati has a hard time gaining traction athletically, and Cincinnati could just as easily be in the MAC instead of Columbus. The real question would have been would the Metro have taken Cincinnati and/or Columbus, because Cincinnati's only genuine Conference change since joining the Metro (which of course merged with the Great Midwest to form C-USA) was joining the Big East in 2005.

I also wonder if Rutgers would have been targeted sooner by the B1G:

West - Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue
East - Indiana, Ohio, Miami, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Rutgers

The Big East takes either UCF or Houston to replace Rutgers, and C-USA takes WKU a little bit sooner. This could theoretically roll all the way down to NMSU and Idaho not getting football-only memberships in the Sun Belt after the WAC collapsed, as the Sun Belt would be at nine members in football. The MAC could be content with UMass as an associate member in football.

Depending on who you talk to, the Big 10 (or Delany) had their eyes on Rutgers for 20 years.

Perhaps they were waiting for things like the on campus stadium expansion and stringing together some winning seasons in football, who knows. But honestly the only change in Rutgers for the timeline would have been to go to the Super Metro in 1990 if that had come together, or the Big East or Atlantic 10 if those leagues had rearranged themselves along football lines (which I think could have been a possibility if one of UMass or UConn went the 1A route in 1978).

it's hard to see Rutgers in the Big 10 anytime before 2014. Our longtime AD Grunninger had the philosophy of having as many sports programs as possible for students, and not so much on making football and basketball successful. While it's certainly not a bad philosophy (and they are student athletes after all) it's not a measuring stick for success either. At one point we had the largest athletic department in the Big East in terms of number of sports offered. The NJ Press crucified us when we cut sports.

He (Grunninger) was strongly aligned with Paterno through the 70s and 80s, turning down the Big East twice to stay with the Eastern 8/Atlantic 10 and Paterno's eastern conference if that had ever come about. So you have to look at Rutgers through those eyes (and not just the lack of success on the football field).
10-07-2017 10:47 AM
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RE: Alternate History College Sports Realignment Scenarios
(10-07-2017 10:14 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Of course if Miami is "Ohio State", then perhaps Cincinnati has a hard time gaining traction athletically, and Cincinnati could just as easily be in the MAC instead of Columbus. The real question would have been would the Metro have taken Cincinnati and/or Columbus, because Cincinnati's only genuine Conference change since joining the Metro (which of course merged with the Great Midwest to form C-USA) was joining the Big East in 2005.

There's two sides to the argument of where UC would be, the one I was looking at sees it from the view that Miami and OU would split support within Ohio so neither would dominate like OSU does, hence a school like UC might be able to nudge itself in there without having a college with 50K students in a large city always over them. At the same time, Miami is close enough to the Cincy area that a lot of their support might've been drained and they ended up in the MAC. Or it may've been that Miami and OU's sports teams were good enough that it ended up being more like Michigan and Michigan State instead of IU and Purdue, keeping UC down.

It's kinda fun for me in this scenario to think of Miami as the OSU in this scenario, with our historically high levels of athletic success one would think we'd kill it as a flagship and dominate OU and end up as the 'new' OSU. But neither university would be recognizable to today if we were the flagships, they'd be well over 30K students. I was drawn to Miami for its medium size and tiny college town atmosphere so I probably wouldn't have gone there being from out of state.
10-07-2017 12:03 PM
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RE: Alternate History College Sports Realignment Scenarios
It's hard to imagine the Big Ten or college football without the Buckeyes. Here are my thoughts:

Miami and Ohio join the Western Conference, or whatever the name was then, as the 10th and 11th members in the teens. I think the odd number of schools actually necessitates bringing in Michigan St sooner rather than later as the 12th. The loss of Chicago in the 40's necessitates adding a new 12th. Maybe the "Indy for life" attitude at Notre Dame is not yet as strong and they join. Other options are Iowa St, Missouri, Penn St, and Pitt--other schools they legitimately considered as replacements for Chicago.

Neither the Redskins nor the Bobcats can totally duplicate what the real life Buckeyes did and I think the Wolverines enjoy many years of dominance, unless of course Notre Dame joins and then those two are the league's dominate programs.

As for Cincinnati's fate I think they struggle in the shadow of Miami and ultimately become a MAC level program. I think whatever public university founded in Columbus shares a similar role.

In the Northeast, if Pitt or Penn St joins the Big Ten in the '50's I think there ends up being less bad blood between the two and the one who doesn't join gets help from the other to get in somewhere down the road.
10-07-2017 02:34 PM
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RE: Alternate History College Sports Realignment Scenarios
Where would Northern Michigan be if they followed their conference mates in D1? They were in the same conference with Youngstown State, Central Michigan, Western Michigan and so forth in the 1970s.

Where would Case Western Reserve be if they stayed in the MAC instead of dropping down to D3?

Where would Washburn be if they did not dropped down to D2?

Where would West Texas A&M be if they did not dropped down to D2?

I think if M.I.T. stayed D1, and grew their stadium to close to 100,000? I think they would be in the Big 10 today in a heartbeat since they are an AAU school.
10-07-2017 08:01 PM
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