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RE: Redoing Realignment: Big East with Boise St. and SDSU
(07-07-2017 05:29 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  For the 2013 football season:

AAC (*football only)
West - San Diego State*, Fresno State*, Boise State*, BYU*, Air Force*, SMU, Houston
East - UConn, USF, Cincinnati, Temple, Louisville, Rutgers, Memphis

Mountain West
Western - San Jose State, Hawaii*, UNLV, Nevada, Idaho, Utah State
Mountain - Colorado State, Wyoming, New Mexico, New Mexico State, UTSA, Texas State

C-USA
West - Tulane, Tulsa, Rice, UTEP, North Texas, Louisiana Tech
East - Southern Miss, UAB, FAU, FIU, ECU, Marshall

Sun Belt
Arkansas State, Louisiana, ULM, USA, Troy, WKU, MTSU, Georgia State

MAC
East - Buffalo, Kent, Akron, Ohio, Miami, BGSU, UMass*
West - NIU, Ball State, WMU, CMU, EMU, Toledo

WAC (non-football)
SMU, Houston, San Diego State, Fresno State, Seattle, Boise State, BYU, Denver

You were never going to hang on to Rutgers and L'Ville. If the ACC took UConn to back fill the Maryland defection spot, L'Ville would have been off to the B-12 with either BYU or Cinn. 07-coffee3 04-cheers
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RE: Redoing Realignment: Big East with Boise St. and SDSU
(07-09-2017 07:38 AM)panite Wrote:  You were never going to hang on to Rutgers and L'Ville. If the ACC took UConn to back fill the Maryland defection spot, L'Ville would have been off to the B-12 with either BYU or Cinn. 07-coffee3 04-cheers
Well, Louisville and Rutgers did play the 2013 season in the American. Given that the ACC didn't take and still hasn't taken UConn, I don't see how a Coast-to-Coast Big East/AAC would have improved the odds of UConn getting an ACC invitation.

Other than that, I agree with you.
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RE: Redoing Realignment: Big East with Boise St. and SDSU
I don't know who said UMass, but they've never had more than about $3M in fan support (ticket sales + donations) in any season.

Most American and MWC schools have more than $10M.

Further, the UMass football stadium, football attendance and football tradition situations are terrible. There's no way the American invites them unless the American gets raided and is desperate for replacements.
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(07-09-2017 09:19 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 07:38 AM)panite Wrote:  You were never going to hang on to Rutgers and L'Ville. If the ACC took UConn to back fill the Maryland defection spot, L'Ville would have been off to the B-12 with either BYU or Cinn. 07-coffee3 04-cheers
Well, Louisville and Rutgers did play the 2013 season in the American. Given that the ACC didn't take and still hasn't taken UConn, I don't see how a Coast-to-Coast Big East/AAC would have improved the odds of UConn getting an ACC invitation.

Other than that, I agree with you.

Rutgers and L'Ville only played in the AAC for one year to avoid higher penalties to leave. The B-10 was waiting for Maryland to work out its exit too. Once the Maryland exit was worked out, Rutgers and Maryland headed to the B-10 getting the B-10 into the Mid Atlantic TV market in NYC, NJ, Maryland, and Washington DC. That cemented the a piece of that TV market with Penn State. ND and their east coast following, Pitt, BC, and Syracuse took their TV portion and viewership to the ACC which covers the East Coast now from Florida to Boston and Upstate NY. It also off set the move of the ND Midwest viewership and following that went to the ACC. L'Ville just happened to get the golden parachute out of the AAC over UCONN at the time for whatever reasons or animosities that were present at the time. Had L'Ville lost out to UCONN they would have been off and running to the B-12 with Boren and Oklahoma's backing and blessing. As stated above the AAC was never going to hang on to Rutgers's and L'Ville, and it was probably lucky to hold on to UCONN and CINN at the time of the last realignment too. 07-coffee3 04-cheers
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RE: Redoing Realignment: Big East with Boise St. and SDSU
(07-09-2017 09:59 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  I don't know who said UMass, but they've never had more than about $3M in fan support (ticket sales + donations) in any season.

Most American and MWC schools have more than $10M.

Further, the UMass football stadium, football attendance and football tradition situations are terrible. There's no way the American invites them unless the American gets raided and is desperate for replacements.

UMASS was mentioned as a member of the MAC which they were for FB only at the time. They might still be there if they had gone all in for all sports so the MAC could expand with another all sports school to go to 14 and further East Coast exposure. They refused to bring all of their other sports over from the A-10 so they were kicked out at the end of the FB only contract. UMASS is light years away from an AAC invite because of their current facilities but might be considered for all sports and a travel partner for Temple if the AAC is decimated in the next stage of realignment, if and when realignment happens again. 07-coffee3 04-cheers
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RE: Redoing Realignment: Big East with Boise St. and SDSU
I've always been under the assumption that the actual reason Boise (and thus SDSU) backed out of the Big East football-only deal was because it became known that the Big East was no longer going to be in the top tier of payouts for the next iteration of the BCS (later name changed to CFP).

In other words, if the Big East champion was no longer going to have an auto bid to a BCS bowl, and the Big East wasn't going to be paid like a top tier conference ...... what would be the point of making a lateral move for increased travel?


NOT that the MWC made some big power play to reel Boise (and thus SDSU) back in.


Is that wrong?
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(07-09-2017 12:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I've always been under the assumption that the actual reason Boise (and thus SDSU) backed out of the Big East football-only deal was because it became known that the Big East was no longer going to be in the top tier of payouts for the next iteration of the BCS (later name changed to CFP).

In other words, if the Big East champion was no longer going to have an auto bid to a BCS bowl, and the Big East wasn't going to be paid like a top tier conference ...... what would be the point of making a lateral move for increased travel?


NOT that the MWC made some big power play to reel Boise (and thus SDSU) back in.


Is that wrong?

That sounds familiar and it makes sense. I would love to be in the American because its better top to bottom but it is silly to do that financially and on the non-football student-athletes.
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RE: Redoing Realignment: Big East with Boise St. and SDSU
The non football teams would've switched from Mountain West to Big West for both Boise and SDSU, with Boise paying a travel subsidy, if I recall correctly.
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RE: Redoing Realignment: Big East with Boise St. and SDSU
(07-09-2017 03:16 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  The non football teams would've switched from Mountain West to Big West for both Boise and SDSU, with Boise paying a travel subsidy, if I recall correctly.

Yes your right. 04-cheers
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RE: Redoing Realignment: Big East with Boise St. and SDSU
part of the reason the c7 split was they were concerned that UConn and Cincy would be gone and the "BE" would have a bunch of FB schools in the south that the c7 had little history with (and have no voice, being the minority)
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