(07-07-2017 11:32 AM)fsquid Wrote:  you guys still hung up on the inauguration crowd?

That's exactly what I was thinking. He's president get over it.

(07-07-2017 11:11 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:34 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 08:57 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 08:56 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Shep Smith on Fox also made the same ridiculous claim about the people who were there...

Well he is ******* stupid as well. If Poland has a documented history of bussing in supporters for political events then it is hardly a news story.

you do realize one of the biggest controversies about this issue is that the communist leaders in poland used this exact same tactic right?

Irrelevant. They've bussed in supporters for past US presidential visits over the past 20 years since Poland abandoned communism.

doesn't mean it's not controversial now does it....

and do you not see the massive error in this whole thread?

WTF is controversial about it? US president visiting and giving speech. US ally provides free transportation for those that want to see speech in person. SOP that was followed with Obama,Bush, Clinton, and Bush.

There's no error in the thread. Poland has embraced Trump as the US president and the press is favorable to him there while Germany has taken a different stance and therefore the press is negative.

The world needs more Poland and less Germany.

Merkel could f*ck up a one car funeral. Why the hell do you hold the G20 summit in a large city where you know the protestors are going to be able to easily access? Its like she want s to be seen as an incompetant twit on the world stage.

(07-07-2017 11:14 AM)john01992 Wrote:  after zooming in it doesn't look as bad. so I'll accept it.

Sad!

(07-07-2017 11:28 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:21 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:14 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 07:24 AM)john01992 Wrote:  1. Shows how serious the Russian threat is that Poland and Germany have very different perspectives on the USA

2. I lol at this post given that liberal forums were bitching about Poland busing in supporters of Trump.

I'm curious what your thinking is on that one.

poland borders russia germany does not.

Poland is an eastern european country that is often percieved as inferior to the "true" west at best and at worst expendable/not worth a major confrontation over. germany is perhaps the most influential country in europe that is well respected for being a power/contributor that the "true" west will never allow to get f***ed around with.

So you're saying the only reason Poland is a fan of the USA is because it is afraid of Russia? That's interesting.

Any country that borders Russia has far more to worry about.

Have u seen polands military spending compared to the rest of NATO?

(07-07-2017 11:40 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Merkel could f*ck up a one car funeral. Why the hell do you hold the G20 summit in a large city where you know the protestors are going to be able to easily access? Its like she want s to be seen as an incompetant twit on the world stage.

because the large cities have the resources to handle the protesters. The US has hosted in DC and Pittsburgh.

(07-07-2017 11:44 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:28 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:21 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:14 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 07:24 AM)john01992 Wrote:  1. Shows how serious the Russian threat is that Poland and Germany have very different perspectives on the USA

2. I lol at this post given that liberal forums were bitching about Poland busing in supporters of Trump.

I'm curious what your thinking is on that one.

poland borders russia germany does not.

Poland is an eastern european country that is often percieved as inferior to the "true" west at best and at worst expendable/not worth a major confrontation over. germany is perhaps the most influential country in europe that is well respected for being a power/contributor that the "true" west will never allow to get f***ed around with.

So you're saying the only reason Poland is a fan of the USA is because it is afraid of Russia? That's interesting.

Any country that borders Russia has far more to worry about.

Have u seen polands military spending compared to the rest of NATO?

I'm just not sure it's fair to say that's where Poland's warm reception comes from.

Poland is part of the EU, along with being part of NATO.

Using your line of thinking I could just as easily say that Poland's warm reception came down to the animus between the EU and Poland over the illegal immigrant issue.

I don't think either would truly be called accurate.

(07-07-2017 11:14 AM)john01992 Wrote:  after zooming in it doesn't look as bad. so I'll accept it. I sure see a lot of white space. remember the birdeye POV is where it really gets displayed.

So you are saying the first picture you posted I believe from CNN was fake?

can't have it both ways

(07-07-2017 11:17 AM)john01992 Wrote:  kroke: your picture actually verifies my picture.

my picture shows the right (facing towards the podium) as clearly more packed with the most empty space on the left side. your pic shows the same with the thing. also the POV. the higher up the view the more white space you see as a 6 foot person will obscure the empty space behind them the lower the angle.

I'd say you picture is perfectly consistent with mine.

You are blind if you think the pictures are anywhere close to the same...unless you are talking about the 2009 shot. Come to think of it you know what they say about going blind. You need to give the hand a rest...someone as angry as you sure isn't getting any from anyone else.

your picture



the other picture

Reality (taken during speech):

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(07-07-2017 11:47 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:44 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:28 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:21 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:14 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm curious what your thinking is on that one.

poland borders russia germany does not.

Poland is an eastern european country that is often percieved as inferior to the "true" west at best and at worst expendable/not worth a major confrontation over. germany is perhaps the most influential country in europe that is well respected for being a power/contributor that the "true" west will never allow to get f***ed around with.

So you're saying the only reason Poland is a fan of the USA is because it is afraid of Russia? That's interesting.

Any country that borders Russia has far more to worry about.

Have u seen polands military spending compared to the rest of NATO?

I'm just not sure it's fair to say that's where Poland's warm reception comes from.

Poland is part of the EU, along with being part of NATO.

Using your line of thinking I could just as easily say that Poland's warm reception came down to the animus between the EU and Poland over the illegal immigrant issue.

I don't think either would truly be called accurate.

Poland has always, at least in modern times, been very appreciative to the US. I might be mistaken, but I think, aside from the UK, they offered the greatest support during Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm old enough to remember the dems used to make fun of Bush for touting the support of Poland. They look pretty silly now.

(07-07-2017 11:47 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:44 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:28 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:21 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:14 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm curious what your thinking is on that one.

poland borders russia germany does not.

Poland is an eastern european country that is often percieved as inferior to the "true" west at best and at worst expendable/not worth a major confrontation over. germany is perhaps the most influential country in europe that is well respected for being a power/contributor that the "true" west will never allow to get f***ed around with.

So you're saying the only reason Poland is a fan of the USA is because it is afraid of Russia? That's interesting.

Any country that borders Russia has far more to worry about.

Have u seen polands military spending compared to the rest of NATO?

I'm just not sure it's fair to say that's where Poland's warm reception comes from.

Poland is part of the EU, along with being part of NATO.

Using your line of thinking I could just as easily say that Poland's warm reception came down to the animus between the EU and Poland over the illegal immigrant issue.

I don't think either would truly be called accurate.

You obviously know absolutely nothing on this issue.

(07-07-2017 11:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:17 AM)john01992 Wrote:  kroke: your picture actually verifies my picture.

my picture shows the right (facing towards the podium) as clearly more packed with the most empty space on the left side. your pic shows the same with the thing. also the POV. the higher up the view the more white space you see as a 6 foot person will obscure the empty space behind them the lower the angle.

I'd say you picture is perfectly consistent with mine.

You are blind if you think the pictures are anywhere close to the same...unless you are talking about the 2009 shot. Come to think of it you know what they say about going blind. You need to give the hand a rest...someone as angry as you sure isn't getting any from anyone else.

your picture



the other picture

Reality (taken during speech):

[/quote]

Gimmie a break you are looking at a mile long mall from
the front at a low angle. You can clearly see consistencies. Do you not see the open space? Do you not see the right being more packed from the left?

If you look at my picture and say what is the best angle to use to misrepresent the crowd size as larger than it really is? It would be low angle, from the front, on the corner opposite of the denser side which is exactly what location Kronke picture is from. Seems to me like he proves me correct with that picture because he was unwilling to use an angle that won't distort things proving that it only appears full when you use a distorted image. Then even when you pick the most advantageous angle for Kronke you can still see the consistency. How do you look at Kronkes pic and not notice the gap on the top right of the picture that clearly shows huge open field?

John still being the good gruber.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/06/23/1-am...bal-image/

Educate urself HoD. Look at the data in the third image and Poland-USA favoritability. Poland is the highest European country nearly every time.

(07-07-2017 12:22 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:17 AM)john01992 Wrote:  kroke: your picture actually verifies my picture.

my picture shows the right (facing towards the podium) as clearly more packed with the most empty space on the left side. your pic shows the same with the thing. also the POV. the higher up the view the more white space you see as a 6 foot person will obscure the empty space behind them the lower the angle.

I'd say you picture is perfectly consistent with mine.

You are blind if you think the pictures are anywhere close to the same...unless you are talking about the 2009 shot. Come to think of it you know what they say about going blind. You need to give the hand a rest...someone as angry as you sure isn't getting any from anyone else.

your picture



the other picture

Reality (taken during speech):

Gimmie a break you are looking at a mile long mall from
the front at a low angle. You can clearly see consistencies. Do you not see the open space? Do you not see the right being more packed from the left?

If you look at my picture and say what is the best angle to use to misrepresent the crowd size as larger than it really is? It would be low angle, from the front, on the corner opposite of the denser side which is exactly what location Kronke picture is from. Seems to me like he proves me correct with that picture because he was unwilling to use an angle that won't distort things proving that it only appears full when you use a distorted image. Then even when you pick the most advantageous angle for Kronke you can still see the consistency. How do you look at Kronkes pic and not notice the gap on the top right of the picture that clearly shows huge open field?

Does not matter what angle you are looking at when you can CLEARLY see that the picture you posted has a gap of people 20 or 30 yards from the tents. And in the other picture there's people standing outside the tents running the length of the crowd.

As I said...you are going blind. And guess what, if you could click on the 2009 picture and enlarge like Trumps...you would see gaps. Hell you can see gaps from miles up in the air on that 2009 picture. Just think what it would look like in blown up

Blind I say! or just refuse to see. I think I would rather be blind than so angry I refused to actually SEE

We can solve this. Gimmie a trump bird eye

(07-07-2017 12:33 PM)john01992 Wrote:  We can solve this. Gimmie a trump bird eye

There's nothing to solve....

other than what is causing your blindness

If you have a picture showing those people standing by the tents not there while the President is speaking. Show it. Then you prove you case

(07-07-2017 12:37 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 12:33 PM)john01992 Wrote:  We can solve this. Gimmie a trump bird eye

There's nothing to solve....

other than what is causing your blindness

If you have a picture showing those people standing by the tents not there while the President is speaking. Show it. Then you prove you case

give me a trump birds eye. put up or shut up.

so you refuse a fact-checker and you refuse to get an accurate photo. hmm....looks like you are flat out wrong.

(07-07-2017 12:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  John still being the good gruber.

ol' johnny's modus operandi....