(07-04-2017 10:12 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 09:18 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 01:12 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 12:25 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Basketball is officially in the crapper when we are having a serious discussion about finishing 6th to 9th in our conference.

I mean holy ****. The program should never have been allowed to get to this point.

so you really think we're supposed to be good each and every season? that's simply unrealistic....sometimes UCLA goes 15-17 and sometimes UK loses to Robert Morris in the NIT.

So, you really think we should go three straight seasons with zero post season and be staring at the likelihood of #4?

Of course there may be a down year here and there BUT we should always be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel. The program has basically been a rudderless ship for going on 5 years now.

that happens during coaching changes...see 1998-99 and 1999-2000.

moreover, you now have over 350 division 1 hoops teams. 15 years ago 16-17 win teams regularly made the NIT.

in the words of Sinatra...'that's life'

Yep, in,a watered down Division 1 a program like Memphis should not have 4 year runs like this. Look at all the advantages in facilities, head coach and assistant coaching salaries, etc. With all the D1 cupcakes you can schedule today there's just no reason for the program to have bottomed out. And understand that bottoming out at Memphis is .500 +/- a game or two. Bottoming out at Cupcake U might be a 5 win season.

Tubby will be held accountable based on the resources available to,him and they are substantial.

(07-04-2017 10:33 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:12 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 09:18 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 01:12 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 12:25 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Basketball is officially in the crapper when we are having a serious discussion about finishing 6th to 9th in our conference.

I mean holy ****. The program should never have been allowed to get to this point.

so you really think we're supposed to be good each and every season? that's simply unrealistic....sometimes UCLA goes 15-17 and sometimes UK loses to Robert Morris in the NIT.

So, you really think we should go three straight seasons with zero post season and be staring at the likelihood of #4?

Of course there may be a down year here and there BUT we should always be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel. The program has basically been a rudderless ship for going on 5 years now.

that happens during coaching changes...see 1998-99 and 1999-2000.

moreover, you now have over 350 division 1 hoops teams. 15 years ago 16-17 win teams regularly made the NIT.

in the words of Sinatra...'that's life'

Tubby will be held accountable

not by you...let the professionals do their job.

(07-04-2017 10:46 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:33 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:12 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 09:18 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 01:12 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  so you really think we're supposed to be good each and every season? that's simply unrealistic....sometimes UCLA goes 15-17 and sometimes UK loses to Robert Morris in the NIT.

So, you really think we should go three straight seasons with zero post season and be staring at the likelihood of #4?

Of course there may be a down year here and there BUT we should always be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel. The program has basically been a rudderless ship for going on 5 years now.

that happens during coaching changes...see 1998-99 and 1999-2000.

moreover, you now have over 350 division 1 hoops teams. 15 years ago 16-17 win teams regularly made the NIT.

in the words of Sinatra...'that's life'

Tubby will be held accountable

not by you...let the professionals do their job.

The pros look at results - many of which are available for everyone to analyze for holding Tubby accountable.

Yeah, they arent paying 3mil a year and spending the type of money they are spending on the program for 6-9th place finishes. If we end this season 6-9th, the seat will be hot.

(07-03-2017 11:31 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 04:43 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 02:44 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  For full disclosure, Rothstein isn't the best at predicting:

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Georgia Tech may have the worst power-five roster I've ever seen. Yellow Jackets won't win a game in ACC play this season. Book it.

Both Parrish and Matt Norlander independently picked Memphis 8th about 1 to 1.5 months ago as Parrish was researching for a radio segment. Only difference from Rothstein is he placed Tulsa above Memphis.

So much UNKNOWN with this roster.

Hate to say it, but it isn't "unknown." We pretty much know (or anyone who chooses to understand cbb) that the JUCO will produce in a certain fashion and the frosh can only provide so much. Those are actual knowns.

And unknown would be if someone came on the team with no historical comparison--like a Martin Nglaro. We have comps for JUCO's and frosh rated 130-250.

Just like there are comps for guys drafted in the lottery vs. guys drafted 40-60.

What we do know (I think) is that at least a couple of players will play at a higher level than their ranking and will score more than their sample group, because they will be getting minutes that they would not get otherwise, and they will get shot attempts that they would not be getting otherwise.

If a team returns 2 starters, their 1st and 3rd best scorers and let's say 5 of their top 9, you would expect that the two starters and another 2 returnees would get the bulk of the shots, and there would be an opportunity for 1 or 2 of the newcomers to emerge, given their ranking.

The deal this year is a free for all. Unless there is a drastic change, Rivers is limited in practice and games because of his back, so he is probably going to be limited to 22-25 minutes per game. I expect him to have a breakout year and double his output.

Unless Martin's right hand has improved and he is able to get into the lane more, he isn't going to be able to put up many more shots and he won't have Dedric to throw the ball to with 10 seconds left in the clock to bail him out.

The new guys are going to be able to put up as many shots as they want. Some of them are going to be able to take advantage of the opportunity the same way that Martin was able to last season. Hopefully, it will work out, but if you look at all the variables...

(07-04-2017 10:46 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:33 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:12 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 09:18 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 01:12 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  so you really think we're supposed to be good each and every season? that's simply unrealistic....sometimes UCLA goes 15-17 and sometimes UK loses to Robert Morris in the NIT.

So, you really think we should go three straight seasons with zero post season and be staring at the likelihood of #4?

Of course there may be a down year here and there BUT we should always be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel. The program has basically been a rudderless ship for going on 5 years now.

that happens during coaching changes...see 1998-99 and 1999-2000.

moreover, you now have over 350 division 1 hoops teams. 15 years ago 16-17 win teams regularly made the NIT.

in the words of Sinatra...'that's life'

Tubby will be held accountable

not by you...let the professionals do their job.

Buddy again telling people what to think. Funny.

(07-04-2017 11:43 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:46 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:33 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:12 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 09:18 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  So, you really think we should go three straight seasons with zero post season and be staring at the likelihood of #4?

Of course there may be a down year here and there BUT we should always be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel. The program has basically been a rudderless ship for going on 5 years now.

that happens during coaching changes...see 1998-99 and 1999-2000.

moreover, you now have over 350 division 1 hoops teams. 15 years ago 16-17 win teams regularly made the NIT.

in the words of Sinatra...'that's life'

Tubby will be held accountable

not by you...let the professionals do their job.

Buddy again telling people what to think. Funny.

I stated a fact...Tubby doesn't report to the miserables.

(07-04-2017 11:04 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:46 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:33 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:12 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 09:18 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  So, you really think we should go three straight seasons with zero post season and be staring at the likelihood of #4?

Of course there may be a down year here and there BUT we should always be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel. The program has basically been a rudderless ship for going on 5 years now.

that happens during coaching changes...see 1998-99 and 1999-2000.

moreover, you now have over 350 division 1 hoops teams. 15 years ago 16-17 win teams regularly made the NIT.

in the words of Sinatra...'that's life'

Tubby will be held accountable

not by you...let the professionals do their job.

The pros look at results - many of which are available for everyone to analyze for holding Tubby accountable.

those are the same pros that hired him in the first place...

(07-04-2017 11:47 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 11:04 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:46 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:33 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:12 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  that happens during coaching changes...see 1998-99 and 1999-2000.

moreover, you now have over 350 division 1 hoops teams. 15 years ago 16-17 win teams regularly made the NIT.

in the words of Sinatra...'that's life'

Tubby will be held accountable

not by you...let the professionals do their job.

The pros look at results - many of which are available for everyone to analyze for holding Tubby accountable.

those are the same pros that hired him in the first place...

Along with our generous boosters....

So should the boosters be held accountable too?

(07-04-2017 12:22 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  So should the boosters be held accountable too?

No, they are victims like their fellow, but lesser well-heeled, fans.

Who is a victim of what here?

(07-03-2017 02:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  The idea that he lists Enoh as one of the "under the radar" frosh says enough about his info. Enoh might play in 15 games this year at about 2 minutes a clip.

Maybe that's what he means by "under the radar" though.

Have you seen him play?

(07-04-2017 01:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 02:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  The idea that he lists Enoh as one of the "under the radar" frosh says enough about his info. Enoh might play in 15 games this year at about 2 minutes a clip.

Maybe that's what he means by "under the radar" though.

Have you seen him play?

Enoh from the little I have seen of him seems like a very capable rebounder and athletic body...He could turn out to be a very good rebounder and defender, especially on the pick and roll. But offensively, unless he has improved, it is just going to be garbage points and lobs

(07-04-2017 02:22 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 01:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 02:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  The idea that he lists Enoh as one of the "under the radar" frosh says enough about his info. Enoh might play in 15 games this year at about 2 minutes a clip.

Maybe that's what he means by "under the radar" though.

Have you seen him play?

Enoh from the little I have seen of him seems like a very capable rebounder and athletic body...He could turn out to be a very good rebounder and defender, especially on the pick and roll. But offensively, unless he has improved, it is just going to be garbage points and lobs

Not that it matters, but I've seen all the guys play at the Finch. Enoh is extremely athletic, a good 6-8 and finishes above the rim. Coaching is going to help him hone his skills. But he does have ability as an athletic 4.

(07-04-2017 02:26 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 02:22 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 01:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 02:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  The idea that he lists Enoh as one of the "under the radar" frosh says enough about his info. Enoh might play in 15 games this year at about 2 minutes a clip.

Maybe that's what he means by "under the radar" though.

Have you seen him play?

Enoh from the little I have seen of him seems like a very capable rebounder and athletic body...He could turn out to be a very good rebounder and defender, especially on the pick and roll. But offensively, unless he has improved, it is just going to be garbage points and lobs

Not that it matters, but I've seen all the guys play at the Finch. Enoh is extremely athletic, a good 6-8 and finishes above the rim. Coaching is going to help him hone his skills. But he does have ability as an athletic 4.

Thanks for the info...

I see him as a 5 at 6-8 and 230 that should be plenty if he learns body position...Heck he would be taler than Dorsey if that height is accurate.

(07-04-2017 02:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 02:26 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 02:22 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 01:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 02:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  The idea that he lists Enoh as one of the "under the radar" frosh says enough about his info. Enoh might play in 15 games this year at about 2 minutes a clip.

Maybe that's what he means by "under the radar" though.

Have you seen him play?

Enoh from the little I have seen of him seems like a very capable rebounder and athletic body...He could turn out to be a very good rebounder and defender, especially on the pick and roll. But offensively, unless he has improved, it is just going to be garbage points and lobs

Not that it matters, but I've seen all the guys play at the Finch. Enoh is extremely athletic, a good 6-8 and finishes above the rim. Coaching is going to help him hone his skills. But he does have ability as an athletic 4.

Thanks for the info...

I see him as a 5 at 6-8 and 230 that should be plenty if he learns body position...Heck he would be taler than Dorsey if that height is accurate.

If Enoh plays the 5, I will be very disappointed in the other two . No way they shouldn't be able to hold that position down with all the other 3 & 4 possibilities. Of course, if he turns out to be that much better, that part will offset my disappointment, I guess.

(07-04-2017 02:22 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 01:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 02:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  The idea that he lists Enoh as one of the "under the radar" frosh says enough about his info. Enoh might play in 15 games this year at about 2 minutes a clip.

Maybe that's what he means by "under the radar" though.

Have you seen him play?

Enoh from the little I have seen of him seems like a very capable rebounder and athletic body...He could turn out to be a very good rebounder and defender, especially on the pick and roll. But offensively, unless he has improved, it is just going to be garbage points and lobs

When and where did you see him play? or are you just referring to video?

(07-04-2017 01:12 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 12:25 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Basketball is officially in the crapper when we are having a serious discussion about finishing 6th to 9th in our conference.

I mean holy ****. The program should never have been allowed to get to this point.

so you really think we're supposed to be good each and every season? that's simply unrealistic....sometimes UCLA goes 15-17 and sometimes UK loses to Robert Morris in the NIT.

didn't UK win the national title the year before that NIT loss?

(07-04-2017 11:46 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 11:43 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:46 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:33 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 10:12 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  that happens during coaching changes...see 1998-99 and 1999-2000.

moreover, you now have over 350 division 1 hoops teams. 15 years ago 16-17 win teams regularly made the NIT.

in the words of Sinatra...'that's life'

Tubby will be held accountable

not by you...let the professionals do their job.

Buddy again telling people what to think. Funny.

I stated a fact...Tubby doesn't report to the miserables.

Sure thing Champ...