http://nypost.com/2017/06/27/republican-...n-or-lose/

"...Why not just wait until ObamaCare’s ongoing implosion grows undeniable? Because the damage will be worse by then, and Democrats still will escape most of the blame since Republicans have control.
Governing forces you to make tough choices — and doing nothing guarantees the voters’ wrath."

Doing nothing is doing a lot. It's exposing Obamacare for the failure it is more and more everyday. Passing any of the proposals so far would be doing nothing. That's what they are. Nothing.

9 decided they would rather do the something rather than the nothing.

(06-28-2017 11:03 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 10:25 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 01:03 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Guess these senators get to go home and hear what their constituents think.

Lets be honest here. Virtually every Republican would rather do nothing and just let Obamacare implode and blame it on the Democrats. Just let the individual market disappear as insurers refuse to participate in it. They can campaign against and rail against it as their name isn't attached.

As soon as they sign up for something - they will have to defend it and they are averse to that. Even if the legislation works on the whole, there will always be "some" that don't get the best outcomes. The libcuck media will cover these individual stories like moths attracted to a flame and will treat any individual tough situation as an indictment of the whole so that Democrats can skewer any Republican opponents.

What we have now is a Republican majority not willing to stand up and be counted and do their jobs. They don't want anything attached to their name - just float through to their next election.......

It's called giving the appearance of working without actually, you know - working...

GOP owns healthcare issue regardless of what they do. They are in complete control of all branches and if it implodes because they continued to sabotage or twiddle their thumbs it is on them, not because it is or isn't in reality their fault, but because that will be the perception.

Liberal mindset for you. Democrats passed this piece of **** legislation w/o any Republican support yet somehow Republicans own it. Amazing.

(06-28-2017 11:03 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 10:25 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 01:03 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Guess these senators get to go home and hear what their constituents think.

Lets be honest here. Virtually every Republican would rather do nothing and just let Obamacare implode and blame it on the Democrats. Just let the individual market disappear as insurers refuse to participate in it. They can campaign against and rail against it as their name isn't attached.

As soon as they sign up for something - they will have to defend it and they are averse to that. Even if the legislation works on the whole, there will always be "some" that don't get the best outcomes. The libcuck media will cover these individual stories like moths attracted to a flame and will treat any individual tough situation as an indictment of the whole so that Democrats can skewer any Republican opponents.

What we have now is a Republican majority not willing to stand up and be counted and do their jobs. They don't want anything attached to their name - just float through to their next election.......

It's called giving the appearance of working without actually, you know - working...

GOP owns healthcare issue regardless of what they do. They are in complete control of all branches and if it implodes because they continued to sabotage or twiddle their thumbs it is on them, not because it is or isn't in reality their fault, but because that will be the perception.

Funny how you state that the Republicans own Obamacare. Remember - it was passed as a Democrat wholly owned piece of legislation. No sabotage - piece of sh!t law that is now imploding - Democrat owned.

You are right though, the liberal media will paint a "Republicans want granny to die" no matter what happens.

That's why the Republicans should have the stones to do what is right - they will be blamed no matter what.

BTW, where are all listings about how affordable the Obamacare plans are?

(06-28-2017 11:27 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 11:03 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 10:25 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 01:03 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Guess these senators get to go home and hear what their constituents think.

Lets be honest here. Virtually every Republican would rather do nothing and just let Obamacare implode and blame it on the Democrats. Just let the individual market disappear as insurers refuse to participate in it. They can campaign against and rail against it as their name isn't attached.

As soon as they sign up for something - they will have to defend it and they are averse to that. Even if the legislation works on the whole, there will always be "some" that don't get the best outcomes. The libcuck media will cover these individual stories like moths attracted to a flame and will treat any individual tough situation as an indictment of the whole so that Democrats can skewer any Republican opponents.

What we have now is a Republican majority not willing to stand up and be counted and do their jobs. They don't want anything attached to their name - just float through to their next election.......

It's called giving the appearance of working without actually, you know - working...

GOP owns healthcare issue regardless of what they do. They are in complete control of all branches and if it implodes because they continued to sabotage or twiddle their thumbs it is on them, not because it is or isn't in reality their fault, but because that will be the perception.

No they don't...at all. But it's adorable, and sadly predictable, that you regressives think they own this steaming pile of monkey crap.

I can assure you that there is nothing "adorable" about me.

(06-28-2017 01:13 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 11:03 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 10:25 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 01:03 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Guess these senators get to go home and hear what their constituents think.

Lets be honest here. Virtually every Republican would rather do nothing and just let Obamacare implode and blame it on the Democrats. Just let the individual market disappear as insurers refuse to participate in it. They can campaign against and rail against it as their name isn't attached.

As soon as they sign up for something - they will have to defend it and they are averse to that. Even if the legislation works on the whole, there will always be "some" that don't get the best outcomes. The libcuck media will cover these individual stories like moths attracted to a flame and will treat any individual tough situation as an indictment of the whole so that Democrats can skewer any Republican opponents.

What we have now is a Republican majority not willing to stand up and be counted and do their jobs. They don't want anything attached to their name - just float through to their next election.......

It's called giving the appearance of working without actually, you know - working...

GOP owns healthcare issue regardless of what they do. They are in complete control of all branches and if it implodes because they continued to sabotage or twiddle their thumbs it is on them, not because it is or isn't in reality their fault, but because that will be the perception.

Liberal mindset for you. Democrats passed this piece of **** legislation w/o any Republican support yet somehow Republicans own it. Amazing.

No, it's just simply understanding human nature. Most people aren't in the weeds on this topic. GOP are in power = They get all the credit and all the blame.

(06-28-2017 02:27 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 01:13 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 11:03 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 10:25 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 01:03 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Guess these senators get to go home and hear what their constituents think.

Lets be honest here. Virtually every Republican would rather do nothing and just let Obamacare implode and blame it on the Democrats. Just let the individual market disappear as insurers refuse to participate in it. They can campaign against and rail against it as their name isn't attached.

As soon as they sign up for something - they will have to defend it and they are averse to that. Even if the legislation works on the whole, there will always be "some" that don't get the best outcomes. The libcuck media will cover these individual stories like moths attracted to a flame and will treat any individual tough situation as an indictment of the whole so that Democrats can skewer any Republican opponents.

What we have now is a Republican majority not willing to stand up and be counted and do their jobs. They don't want anything attached to their name - just float through to their next election.......

It's called giving the appearance of working without actually, you know - working...

GOP owns healthcare issue regardless of what they do. They are in complete control of all branches and if it implodes because they continued to sabotage or twiddle their thumbs it is on them, not because it is or isn't in reality their fault, but because that will be the perception.

Liberal mindset for you. Democrats passed this piece of **** legislation w/o any Republican support yet somehow Republicans own it. Amazing.

No, it's just simply understanding human nature. Most people aren't in the weeds on this topic. GOP are in power = They get all the credit and all the blame.

What bothers me the most is this Obamacare trainwreck was easy to see coming. Lots of people (including the voters for it) KNEW it wouldn't work as legislated.

Things that could help alleviate some of the issues STILL aren't pushing for those changes. Still just playing around with the margins.

(06-28-2017 01:04 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Doing nothing is doing a lot. It's exposing Obamacare for the failure it is more and more everyday. Passing any of the proposals so far would be doing nothing. That's what they are. Nothing.

9 decided they would rather do the something rather than the nothing.

At this point, those people are voting to KEEP Obamacare.

(06-28-2017 02:27 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 01:13 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 11:03 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 10:25 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 01:03 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Guess these senators get to go home and hear what their constituents think.

Lets be honest here. Virtually every Republican would rather do nothing and just let Obamacare implode and blame it on the Democrats. Just let the individual market disappear as insurers refuse to participate in it. They can campaign against and rail against it as their name isn't attached.

As soon as they sign up for something - they will have to defend it and they are averse to that. Even if the legislation works on the whole, there will always be "some" that don't get the best outcomes. The libcuck media will cover these individual stories like moths attracted to a flame and will treat any individual tough situation as an indictment of the whole so that Democrats can skewer any Republican opponents.

What we have now is a Republican majority not willing to stand up and be counted and do their jobs. They don't want anything attached to their name - just float through to their next election.......

It's called giving the appearance of working without actually, you know - working...

GOP owns healthcare issue regardless of what they do. They are in complete control of all branches and if it implodes because they continued to sabotage or twiddle their thumbs it is on them, not because it is or isn't in reality their fault, but because that will be the perception.

Liberal mindset for you. Democrats passed this piece of **** legislation w/o any Republican support yet somehow Republicans own it. Amazing.

No, it's just simply understanding human nature. Most people aren't in the weeds on this topic. GOP are in power = They get all the credit and all the blame.

Doesn't matter. Republicans have all 3 branches. If they can't come together to make a change, they own Obamacare. They're in charge. They know its a disaster. If they do nothing, they need to get fired.

Its called accountability. After 8 years of Barack Obama, maybe some people have trouble remembering that.

They aren't voting to keep it. They're saying lets get rid of it. Like we promised.

The proposals KEEP Obamacare.

(06-28-2017 06:08 PM)Paul M Wrote:  They aren't voting to keep it. They're saying lets get rid of it. Like we promised.

The proposals KEEP Obamacare.

You're confused. A "no" vote keeps things exactly as they are now.

(06-28-2017 02:22 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 11:27 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 11:03 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 10:25 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 01:03 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Guess these senators get to go home and hear what their constituents think.

Lets be honest here. Virtually every Republican would rather do nothing and just let Obamacare implode and blame it on the Democrats. Just let the individual market disappear as insurers refuse to participate in it. They can campaign against and rail against it as their name isn't attached.

As soon as they sign up for something - they will have to defend it and they are averse to that. Even if the legislation works on the whole, there will always be "some" that don't get the best outcomes. The libcuck media will cover these individual stories like moths attracted to a flame and will treat any individual tough situation as an indictment of the whole so that Democrats can skewer any Republican opponents.

What we have now is a Republican majority not willing to stand up and be counted and do their jobs. They don't want anything attached to their name - just float through to their next election.......

It's called giving the appearance of working without actually, you know - working...

GOP owns healthcare issue regardless of what they do. They are in complete control of all branches and if it implodes because they continued to sabotage or twiddle their thumbs it is on them, not because it is or isn't in reality their fault, but because that will be the perception.

No they don't...at all. But it's adorable, and sadly predictable, that you regressives think they own this steaming pile of monkey crap.

I can assure you that there is nothing "adorable" about me.

I can assure you that you're very predictable. I knew you'd claim the GOP owns Obamacare. When it was you regressives who f***ed it up from the start by excluding the same GOP you're attempting to blame. As I said...predictable.

(06-28-2017 06:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 02:27 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 01:13 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 11:03 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 10:25 AM)Crebman Wrote:  Lets be honest here. Virtually every Republican would rather do nothing and just let Obamacare implode and blame it on the Democrats. Just let the individual market disappear as insurers refuse to participate in it. They can campaign against and rail against it as their name isn't attached.

As soon as they sign up for something - they will have to defend it and they are averse to that. Even if the legislation works on the whole, there will always be "some" that don't get the best outcomes. The libcuck media will cover these individual stories like moths attracted to a flame and will treat any individual tough situation as an indictment of the whole so that Democrats can skewer any Republican opponents.

What we have now is a Republican majority not willing to stand up and be counted and do their jobs. They don't want anything attached to their name - just float through to their next election.......

It's called giving the appearance of working without actually, you know - working...

GOP owns healthcare issue regardless of what they do. They are in complete control of all branches and if it implodes because they continued to sabotage or twiddle their thumbs it is on them, not because it is or isn't in reality their fault, but because that will be the perception.

Liberal mindset for you. Democrats passed this piece of **** legislation w/o any Republican support yet somehow Republicans own it. Amazing.

No, it's just simply understanding human nature. Most people aren't in the weeds on this topic. GOP are in power = They get all the credit and all the blame.

Doesn't matter. Republicans have all 3 branches. If they can't come together to make a change, they own Obamacare. They're in charge. They know its a disaster. If they do nothing, they need to get fired.

Its called accountability. After 8 years of Barack Obama, maybe some people have trouble remembering that.

Right now, only 9 are willing to do something and are worthy of retaining their jobs. The rest aren't doing theirs.

(06-28-2017 06:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 06:08 PM)Paul M Wrote:  They aren't voting to keep it. They're saying lets get rid of it. Like we promised.

The proposals KEEP Obamacare.

You're confused. A "no" vote keeps things exactly as they are now.

No, a no vote forces the cucks to go back and get it right. It's on the cucks if they refuse to. A yes vote on any proposal so far would be a vote to keep Obamacare. Because they all do.

A vote for is surrendering to Obamacare. Luckily we have enough fighters to halt the surrender.

(06-28-2017 06:15 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 06:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 06:08 PM)Paul M Wrote:  They aren't voting to keep it. They're saying lets get rid of it. Like we promised.

The proposals KEEP Obamacare.

You're confused. A "no" vote keeps things exactly as they are now.

No, a no vote forces the cucks to go back and get it right. It's on the cucks if they refuse to. A yes vote on any proposal so far would be a vote to keep Obamacare. Because they all do.

A vote for is surrendering to Obamacare. Luckily we have enough fighters to halt the surrender.

Some of those 9 are against it because it is too much change for their tastes.

Yeah, I should have allowed for them. They need to go too. Actually first. The others might grow a pair and get back on board the repeal train. They obviously wont if these bills that retain Obamacare are going the wrong way for them.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapotheca...87a41e79d4

CBO comes up with the same numbers, no matter what plan is used. 15 million of the 22 million without coverage come from 2018 alone from people voluntarily dropping out. It appears almost all are due to people choosing not to buy insurance, not people who couldn't afford it.

(06-28-2017 06:15 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 06:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 06:08 PM)Paul M Wrote:  They aren't voting to keep it. They're saying lets get rid of it. Like we promised.

The proposals KEEP Obamacare.

You're confused. A "no" vote keeps things exactly as they are now.

No, a no vote forces the cucks to go back and get it right. It's on the cucks if they refuse to. A yes vote on any proposal so far would be a vote to keep Obamacare. Because they all do.

A vote for is surrendering to Obamacare. Luckily we have enough fighters to halt the surrender.

Now those that halted this BS need to step the fck up and propose a NEW alternative. Id love to see Paul sound the charge towards Bismarck.