(06-28-2017 01:26 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  We can all sleep well tonight knowing that the ever changing and fluid landscape of higher education is being monitored closely and many constituent groups are being engaged.

I do hate the jargon of education, I used to be an English teacher and I can remember walking out of meetings thinking to myself "what the hell did I just listen to for 2 hours on my teacher workday" I know jargon is commonplace in a lot of industries, but there's something about education jargon that just drives me nuts.

There are several education jargon generators out there, and they spit out stuff like:

Progressive, standards-maintaining administrators are crucial for the digital literacy of our country.

Informed, one-to-one community members are indespensible for the best practices of our district.

I have a mental image of a Magic 8 Ball sitting on an administrators desk.......

(06-28-2017 01:29 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 09:36 AM)JMUSteeler Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 09:34 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 09:30 AM)JMUSteeler Wrote:  Great point, I wish I'd thought to make it. CNU's recent appeal seems to revolve around their Honors program, and I specifically know of kids who chose CNU over JMU due to that criteria alone. My younger daughter, who wants to go into nursing, will actually consider Longwood because they have a strong program in her area of interest AND with her academics if she gets into their Honors program it might be worth a lot of money to her (me). I certainly never thought I'd see the day where one of my own kids was choosing between JMU and Longwood potentially......

Not to sidetrack the discussion but isn't JMU's nursing program considering the best in the state?

Certainly one of the top 2, the problem is you can't apply for it directly out of high school and instead have to wait until after your 3rd semester. Longwood is currently 4th, but you can get into the program directly out of high school. This is strictly anecdotal, but we know several people who got into JMU but failed to get into nursing and either had to change majors or transfer. That has to be part of your decision making process.

This is true, as it is for several majors across campus. You might think of it as a "second" admissions process, as the most competitive programs have a review process that screens and then admits only the most deserving students to their major. Call it quality control or whatever you'd like, but JMU faculty are focused on graduating students that are going to represent the best of the best in their chosen discipline. That's the true "JMU Way."

Speaking as a long-time member of the faculty, I would encourage your daughter not to make her choice based on a concern that she can't make it at JMU, or at what time after admission she is "officially" recognized as a nursing student. JMU's new health building and its equipment are absolutely first rate, and its coordination in physical proximity to the new student health center gives aspiring nurses an opportunity for practical experience right on campus. There's a reason JMU's nursing program is so highly regarded, and like they say in sports, if you want to be the best, you've got to play with (and beat) the best.

Should your daughter choose JMU, and for whatever reason not make the cut into the nursing program (shudder) Longwood will be happy to accept her as a transfer, and she can complete the nursing program there. But if she's bright enough to earn admission to JMU, and will work hard, completing the nursing program at JMU is a reasonable expectation.

That said, JMU offers so many other career possibilities (more so than Longwood), that once on campus she will experience a richer range of curricular options, and she may decide she'd rather go into a branch of bio-med research or audiology, or something she's not even thought about as of yet. Not knocking Longwood, as it's the right choice for a different kind of student. I'd dare say, however, the vast majority of Longwood's nursing graduates are going to be more likely to work for, or be supervised by, the graduates of JMU's nursing program.

Food for thought.

I'm not too sure LH. My kids had friends in JMU's nursing program and those who wanted to get in. They told examples of how you needed something like a 3.2 gpa to get in, which is reasonable, but the gpa of the lowest accepted nursing student was something like a 3.6. My kids also had high school friends who opted for ODU and Radford when they were accepted to JMU because of their desire to go into nursing.
I volunteer at MCV(VCU Health) and my mother has been hospitalized many times and all the floor nurses all went to JMU, GMU, etc.
JMU has a great nursing program, but I guess it pays off if the nurse wants to advance above a floor nurse.
BTW, JMUSTEELER, I hope your daughter knows that nurses have their work cut out for them. Seems hospitals are always understaffed and sometimes by design. $$$.

Haven't read all this thread before today but I'm surprised it's so long. Then again I'm not.

To me, this isn't news. When I was accepted to JMU in 2002, I was accepted because of my extra course work, my extracurricular activities, and because I'm so awesome, and NOT because of my (very AVERAGE at best) SAT score. It's also the reason I was accepted at other great universities, but denied at others who focus more on the score. That's the way admissions worked 15 years ago and that's the way it's been for a long time. There's nothing to argue about against the administration here. With the exception of a few grumpy apples on here, I'd say we're a pretty smart bunch that has done JMU proud while in school and also after graduation, so wouldn't you say JMU tends to have a good process for admitting students who are awesome? Yep. Move along

(06-29-2017 09:42 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Haven't read all this thread before today but I'm surprised it's so long. Then again I'm not.

To me, this isn't news. When I was accepted to JMU in 2002, I was accepted because of my extra course work, my extracurricular activities, and because I'm so awesome, and NOT because of my (very AVERAGE at best) SAT score. It's also the reason I was accepted at other great universities, but denied at others who focus more on the score. That's the way admissions worked 15 years ago and that's the way it's been for a long time. There's nothing to argue about against the administration here. With the exception of a few grumpy apples on here, I'd say we're a pretty smart bunch that has done JMU proud while in school and also after graduation, so wouldn't you say JMU tends to have a good process for admitting students who are awesome? Yep. Move along

(06-29-2017 06:02 AM)JMUSteeler Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 01:26 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  We can all sleep well tonight knowing that the ever changing and fluid landscape of higher education is being monitored closely and many constituent groups are being engaged.

I do hate the jargon of education, I used to be an English teacher and I can remember walking out of meetings thinking to myself "what the hell did I just listen to for 2 hours on my teacher workday" I know jargon is commonplace in a lot of industries, but there's something about education jargon that just drives me nuts.

There are several education jargon generators out there, and they spit out stuff like:

Progressive, standards-maintaining administrators are crucial for the digital literacy of our country.

Informed, one-to-one community members are indespensible for the best practices of our district.

I have a mental image of a Magic 8 Ball sitting on an administrators desk.......

I highly recommend listening to Weird Al's "Mission Statement". Or any song by Weird AL, for that matter, but especially Mission Statement.

(06-29-2017 07:46 AM)JMU83 Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 01:29 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 09:36 AM)JMUSteeler Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 09:34 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 09:30 AM)JMUSteeler Wrote:  Great point, I wish I'd thought to make it. CNU's recent appeal seems to revolve around their Honors program, and I specifically know of kids who chose CNU over JMU due to that criteria alone. My younger daughter, who wants to go into nursing, will actually consider Longwood because they have a strong program in her area of interest AND with her academics if she gets into their Honors program it might be worth a lot of money to her (me). I certainly never thought I'd see the day where one of my own kids was choosing between JMU and Longwood potentially......

Not to sidetrack the discussion but isn't JMU's nursing program considering the best in the state?

Certainly one of the top 2, the problem is you can't apply for it directly out of high school and instead have to wait until after your 3rd semester. Longwood is currently 4th, but you can get into the program directly out of high school. This is strictly anecdotal, but we know several people who got into JMU but failed to get into nursing and either had to change majors or transfer. That has to be part of your decision making process.

This is true, as it is for several majors across campus. You might think of it as a "second" admissions process, as the most competitive programs have a review process that screens and then admits only the most deserving students to their major. Call it quality control or whatever you'd like, but JMU faculty are focused on graduating students that are going to represent the best of the best in their chosen discipline. That's the true "JMU Way."

Speaking as a long-time member of the faculty, I would encourage your daughter not to make her choice based on a concern that she can't make it at JMU, or at what time after admission she is "officially" recognized as a nursing student. JMU's new health building and its equipment are absolutely first rate, and its coordination in physical proximity to the new student health center gives aspiring nurses an opportunity for practical experience right on campus. There's a reason JMU's nursing program is so highly regarded, and like they say in sports, if you want to be the best, you've got to play with (and beat) the best.

Should your daughter choose JMU, and for whatever reason not make the cut into the nursing program (shudder) Longwood will be happy to accept her as a transfer, and she can complete the nursing program there. But if she's bright enough to earn admission to JMU, and will work hard, completing the nursing program at JMU is a reasonable expectation.

That said, JMU offers so many other career possibilities (more so than Longwood), that once on campus she will experience a richer range of curricular options, and she may decide she'd rather go into a branch of bio-med research or audiology, or something she's not even thought about as of yet. Not knocking Longwood, as it's the right choice for a different kind of student. I'd dare say, however, the vast majority of Longwood's nursing graduates are going to be more likely to work for, or be supervised by, the graduates of JMU's nursing program.

Food for thought.

I'm not too sure LH. My kids had friends in JMU's nursing program and those who wanted to get in. They told examples of how you needed something like a 3.2 gpa to get in, which is reasonable, but the gpa of the lowest accepted nursing student was something like a 3.6. My kids also had high school friends who opted for ODU and Radford when they were accepted to JMU because of their desire to go into nursing.
I volunteer at MCV(VCU Health) and my mother has been hospitalized many times and all the floor nurses all went to JMU, GMU, etc.
JMU has a great nursing program, but I guess it pays off if the nurse wants to advance above a floor nurse.
BTW, JMUSTEELER, I hope your daughter knows that nurses have their work cut out for them. Seems hospitals are always understaffed and sometimes by design. $$$.

The minimum GPA (and whatever other standards needed for consideration for admission) should be understood as just that...the minimum needed for consideration. The best programs are very competitive, and becoming more so. The level of competition is real, and that's what makes a program's rep become noteworthy. Any student who thinks meeting the minimum requirements should guarantee admission to a professional program is only fooling themselves.

That 3.2 student may make an excellent nurse...but if they're passed over for a more qualified student for admission into the JMU program...that's something to be mindful of, but not fearful. The 3.2 student will just have to complete their nursing education at a lesser program.

(06-29-2017 11:48 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  The minimum GPA (and whatever other standards needed for consideration for admission) should be understood as just that...the minimum needed for consideration. The best programs are very competitive, and becoming more so. The level of competition is real, and that's what makes a program's rep become noteworthy. Any student who thinks meeting the minimum requirements should guarantee admission to a professional program is only fooling themselves.

That 3.2 student may make an excellent nurse...but if they're passed over for a more qualified student for admission into the JMU program...that's something to be mindful of, but not fearful. The 3.2 student will just have to complete their nursing education at a lesser program.

That is actually incorrect for COB in the late 2000's. If you met the GPA requirement and took the required classes, you were in. It wasn't 'competitive' in the sense that you mention but yet I would consider it one of JMU's best programs.

EDIT: Also the Accounting Masters program, the one that achieved the highest pass rate in the country, wasn't 'competitive' either. JMU undergrad and a low GMAT score and you were guaranteed.

Why do you try so hard to be a d!ck?

(06-29-2017 12:37 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 11:48 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  The minimum GPA (and whatever other standards needed for consideration for admission) should be understood as just that...the minimum needed for consideration. The best programs are very competitive, and becoming more so. The level of competition is real, and that's what makes a program's rep become noteworthy. Any student who thinks meeting the minimum requirements should guarantee admission to a professional program is only fooling themselves.

That 3.2 student may make an excellent nurse...but if they're passed over for a more qualified student for admission into the JMU program...that's something to be mindful of, but not fearful. The 3.2 student will just have to complete their nursing education at a lesser program.

That is actually incorrect for COB in the late 2000's. If you met the GPA requirement and took the required classes, you were in. It wasn't 'competitive' in the sense that you mention but yet I would consider it one of JMU's best programs.

EDIT: Also the Accounting Masters program, the one that achieved the highest pass rate in the country, wasn't 'competitive' either. JMU undergrad and a low GMAT score and you were guaranteed.

Why do you try so hard to be a d!ck?

What leads you to believe it takes any effort at all?

(06-29-2017 11:48 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 07:46 AM)JMU83 Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 01:29 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 09:36 AM)JMUSteeler Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 09:34 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Not to sidetrack the discussion but isn't JMU's nursing program considering the best in the state?

Certainly one of the top 2, the problem is you can't apply for it directly out of high school and instead have to wait until after your 3rd semester. Longwood is currently 4th, but you can get into the program directly out of high school. This is strictly anecdotal, but we know several people who got into JMU but failed to get into nursing and either had to change majors or transfer. That has to be part of your decision making process.

This is true, as it is for several majors across campus. You might think of it as a "second" admissions process, as the most competitive programs have a review process that screens and then admits only the most deserving students to their major. Call it quality control or whatever you'd like, but JMU faculty are focused on graduating students that are going to represent the best of the best in their chosen discipline. That's the true "JMU Way."

Speaking as a long-time member of the faculty, I would encourage your daughter not to make her choice based on a concern that she can't make it at JMU, or at what time after admission she is "officially" recognized as a nursing student. JMU's new health building and its equipment are absolutely first rate, and its coordination in physical proximity to the new student health center gives aspiring nurses an opportunity for practical experience right on campus. There's a reason JMU's nursing program is so highly regarded, and like they say in sports, if you want to be the best, you've got to play with (and beat) the best.

Should your daughter choose JMU, and for whatever reason not make the cut into the nursing program (shudder) Longwood will be happy to accept her as a transfer, and she can complete the nursing program there. But if she's bright enough to earn admission to JMU, and will work hard, completing the nursing program at JMU is a reasonable expectation.

That said, JMU offers so many other career possibilities (more so than Longwood), that once on campus she will experience a richer range of curricular options, and she may decide she'd rather go into a branch of bio-med research or audiology, or something she's not even thought about as of yet. Not knocking Longwood, as it's the right choice for a different kind of student. I'd dare say, however, the vast majority of Longwood's nursing graduates are going to be more likely to work for, or be supervised by, the graduates of JMU's nursing program.

Food for thought.

I'm not too sure LH. My kids had friends in JMU's nursing program and those who wanted to get in. They told examples of how you needed something like a 3.2 gpa to get in, which is reasonable, but the gpa of the lowest accepted nursing student was something like a 3.6. My kids also had high school friends who opted for ODU and Radford when they were accepted to JMU because of their desire to go into nursing.
I volunteer at MCV(VCU Health) and my mother has been hospitalized many times and all the floor nurses all went to JMU, GMU, etc.
JMU has a great nursing program, but I guess it pays off if the nurse wants to advance above a floor nurse.
BTW, JMUSTEELER, I hope your daughter knows that nurses have their work cut out for them. Seems hospitals are always understaffed and sometimes by design. $$$.

The minimum GPA (and whatever other standards needed for consideration for admission) should be understood as just that...the minimum needed for consideration. The best programs are very competitive, and becoming more so. The level of competition is real, and that's what makes a program's rep become noteworthy. Any student who thinks meeting the minimum requirements should guarantee admission to a professional program is only fooling themselves.

That 3.2 student may make an excellent nurse...but if they're passed over for a more qualified student for admission into the JMU program...that's something to be mindful of, but not fearful. The 3.2 student will just have to complete their nursing education at a lesser program.

I was just trying to point out JMU's nursing program is so competitive that you can work hard and there might not be a reasonable expectation you come out with a nursing degree. As for transferring to another school after you've spent 2 years at JMU, highly unlikely if you took in all that is JMU.

(06-29-2017 12:37 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 11:48 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  The minimum GPA (and whatever other standards needed for consideration for admission) should be understood as just that...the minimum needed for consideration. The best programs are very competitive, and becoming more so. The level of competition is real, and that's what makes a program's rep become noteworthy. Any student who thinks meeting the minimum requirements should guarantee admission to a professional program is only fooling themselves.

That 3.2 student may make an excellent nurse...but if they're passed over for a more qualified student for admission into the JMU program...that's something to be mindful of, but not fearful. The 3.2 student will just have to complete their nursing education at a lesser program.

That is actually incorrect for COB in the late 2000's. If you met the GPA requirement and took the required classes, you were in. It wasn't 'competitive' in the sense that you mention but yet I would consider it one of JMU's best programs.

EDIT: Also the Accounting Masters program, the one that achieved the highest pass rate in the country, wasn't 'competitive' either. JMU undergrad and a low GMAT score and you were guaranteed.

Why do you try so hard to be a d!ck?

Different programs can set their own standards for admission to the major. Why are you trying so hard to be an ass? Oh, sorry, you don't have to try.

The above argument needs to be monitored, at least surveyed.