(07-12-2017 10:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  - Finally, I absolutely reject the idea that the core Big Sky teams need or even want to send non-football teams to Sacramento. They'd continue to get whatever Calif players they get now, without a handful of games at Sac St to offer recruits. That's like item #40/#50 on those recruit's lists for picking schools.

Good post until this final comment. You are completely wrong on this as pointed out in other threads, otherwise we would be given FB only membership and be allowed to pursue a better fit for out Oly sports (BW or WAC). Since the BSC isn't going to allow that, they clearly see value in playing in CA. Sorry, but you are just completely wrong here.

WAC isn't going to die. Too many members with no where to go or that nobody wants. They are adding another one in CBU, and will probably add APU when CBU get near the end of their transition.

NMSU - Probably not going anywhere until they know their FB is stuck as an Indy. They'll be in the WAC until the mega TV deals start the dominoes, and even then they might not find a FB home.

GCU - For profit private Christian school. They are stuck where they are. BW elitists won't ever accept them for either of those reasons. Maybe WCC is in the cards later down the road.

Seattle - Wants WCC...who doesn't want them. Not going anywhere.

Bako - Similar to Seattle just for the BW. Not going anywhere.

UVU - Not a sports fit for the BSC, but a fit for the Summit...but why would they want to go from a Western based league to a upper Midwestern one? No brainer move to stay put in the WAC. Not likely leaving ever.

UTRGV - Probably a better fit in the Southland...not sure if Southland is looking for members. I'm not really sure what UTRGV's long term vision is. I'm guessing they are a moderate flight risk. If the WAC can add another Texas School (one of those TAM schools) maybe they lock them up for the long haul.

UMKC - Can the Summit get over the way they left? No baseball means they don't really help the Summit hit NCAA conference regs. Moderate flight risk.

Chi State - Too many issues going on here. WAC would probably be better off if they left. Highest flight risk.

CBU - Starting transition, likely nowhere to go when a full D1 member.

So they would be at 6 with a 7th transitioning if Chi State and UMKC leave with another D2 move up in SoCal on the horizon. Biggest issue for the WAC is if NMSU finds a home for football...but by then APU could be transitioning in. Yeah I think the WAC will be just fine.

(07-14-2017 07:10 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Augie spends money on DII facilities and athletic and fans show up. Duluth doesn't and their fans don't notice because Duluth is so hockey focused.

It's a complete nonsequitor to compare the two, because there is zero chance SDSU and USD will ever allow Augi into the Summit. They immediately blackballed Augi and got the backing of the N Daks and Omaha. That's my guess.

If Augi was located in say Rochester, MN with the exact same stats otherwise, they'd be working on a plan to transition to the Summit as we speak.

(07-14-2017 07:10 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Moving to DI at Duluth would not yield more fans and interest and would only be a money pit. Hockey is what sells and Duluth recognized that generations ago.

This is just a guess. And it's a guess that was no less true of Omaha ... yet they moved anyway. Duluth could do the same. That's my guess. We'll see who ends up being right.

(07-14-2017 09:30 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Can we please stop with this charade that any Minnesota school is under even an extremely remote chance of getting even looked at.

Just as soon as you stop the charade that you have any clue about MN DII schools.

(07-15-2017 09:36 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  otherwise we would be given FB only membership and be allowed to pursue a better fit for out Oly sports (BW or WAC). Since the BSC isn't going to allow that, they clearly see value in playing in CA.

You haven't proven this in the slightest, just a guess.

Big Sky could value Sacramento full membership for other, unrelated reasons, and/or Sac could desire to remain in the Big Sky for unrelated reasons. Both kill your hypothesis. So you haven't proven anything.

(07-15-2017 10:22 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  Chi State - Too many issues going on here. WAC would probably be better off if they left. Highest flight risk.

Zero flight risk ... no one wants them ... including the WAC. The WAC is going to terminate their membership after this coming season, which is a great thing. Hopefully they get picked up by the NAIA Chicagoland Conf.

(07-15-2017 10:51 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 09:36 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  otherwise we would be given FB only membership and be allowed to pursue a better fit for out Oly sports (BW or WAC). Since the BSC isn't going to allow that, they clearly see value in playing in CA.

You haven't proven this in the slightest, just a guess.

Big Sky could value Sacramento full membership for other, unrelated reasons, and/or Sac could desire to remain in the Big Sky for unrelated reasons. Both kill your hypothesis. So you haven't proven anything.

(07-15-2017 10:22 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  Chi State - Too many issues going on here. WAC would probably be better off if they left. Highest flight risk.

Zero flight risk ... no one wants them ... including the WAC. The WAC is going to terminate their membership after this coming season, which is a great thing. Hopefully they get picked up by the NAIA Chicagoland Conf.

The BSC actions regarding our FB only membership (or lack thereof) is all the evidence needed...and the heavy recruitment of CA by the BSC members and the BSC's ability to sell a trip "home" to recruits. You seem unable to grasp those facts.

Flight risk meaning Chi State is leaving. They have no business spending money on D1 athletics given the other issues they are facing. NAIA probably makes the most sense for them given their current circumstances.

If UMKC bolts to the Summit I could see the WAC keeping Chicago State around a little longer until California Baptist is a couple years into their D1 transition.

Chicago State just got a commit from a 3 star point guard out of Chicago, Marquis Brown. They also offered his teammate, a 3 star forward. With the new state budget, Chicago State is receiving from the state $23 million for last fiscal year and $35 million for next fiscal.

They can start paying bills and recruiting students again. They can spend money on capital improvements. They are not going out of business, they are not dropping down to NAIA and they are not getting kicked out of the WAC. There is zero evidence that the WAC or Chicago State are breaking up.

(07-15-2017 09:36 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 10:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  - Finally, I absolutely reject the idea that the core Big Sky teams need or even want to send non-football teams to Sacramento. They'd continue to get whatever Calif players they get now, without a handful of games at Sac St to offer recruits. That's like item #40/#50 on those recruit's lists for picking schools.

Good post until this final comment. You are completely wrong on this as pointed out in other threads, otherwise we would be given FB only membership and be allowed to pursue a better fit for out Oly sports (BW or WAC). Since the BSC isn't going to allow that, they clearly see value in playing in CA. Sorry, but you are just completely wrong here.

Besides football, I seem to remember Sac St liked the Big Sky because it is spread out bringing more exposure. If that was the reason maybe thinking has changed.
It could be playing in a California bus league will help attendance.
New arena new conference a fresh more committed approach.
I don't know I can see the logic behind it .

Who is AUGI?


Chicago State AND UMKC BOTH belong in the Summit League.

(07-15-2017 02:06 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Who is AUGI?


Chicago State AND UMKC BOTH belong in the Summit League.

Augustana, South Dakota

They were interested in moving up to D1 as well.

Would WAC and Big Sky could do something that could benefit both conferences? WAC could sponsor football again, but this have to do with the help from the Big Sky including some D2 programs.

Cal-Davis WAC affiliate
Cal. Poly WAC Affiliate
Sacramento State WAC or full member
Humboldt State D2 call up for the WAC
Azusa Pacific D2 to the WAC.
Southern Utah WAC affiliate ot full member.
Dixie State full WAC member.
Northern Arizona full WAC member.
West Texas A&M WAC
Colorado State-Pueblo WAC
Western Washington WAC

Central WAshington Big Sky
Western Oregon Big Sky
Simon Fraser Big Sky
Colorado Mesa Big Sky

They all would save money from all three conference stand point. Let UMKC and Chicago State go.

WAC's pairings.
Seattle/Western Washington
Humboldt State/Bakersfield State
California Baptist/Azusa Pacific
Northern Arizona/Grand Canyon U.
NW Nazarene/Utah Valley
New Mexico State/Colorado State-Pueblo
Southern Utah/Dixie State
UTRGV/West Texas A&M

The two Texas schools could wind up leaving for FBS in the future.

Big Sky Pairings;
Portland State/Western Oregon
Simon Fraser/British Columbia in the future.
Central Washington/Eastern Washington
Weber State/Colorado Mesa
Idaho/Idaho State
Montana/Montana State
Northern Colorado They could go to the Summit in the future.

Big Sky and WAC can have protected games like with Sacramento State and Northern Arizona. They could easily schedule 9 to 10 games between the two conference a year and a 11th against an FBS opponent. The issue is that FBS may go away from not playing FCS schools anymore, and it could hurt these western and central plains teams even more.

I could see in the future that football playing members could formed a new all football conference from these hybrid conferences so that they could save money on traveling. It will have to be an overhaul of the current NCAA D1 rules.

(07-15-2017 01:20 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 09:36 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 10:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  - Finally, I absolutely reject the idea that the core Big Sky teams need or even want to send non-football teams to Sacramento. They'd continue to get whatever Calif players they get now, without a handful of games at Sac St to offer recruits. That's like item #40/#50 on those recruit's lists for picking schools.

Good post until this final comment. You are completely wrong on this as pointed out in other threads, otherwise we would be given FB only membership and be allowed to pursue a better fit for out Oly sports (BW or WAC). Since the BSC isn't going to allow that, they clearly see value in playing in CA. Sorry, but you are just completely wrong here.

Besides football, I seem to remember Sac St liked the Big Sky because it is spread out bringing more exposure. If that was the reason maybe thinking has changed.
It could be playing in a California bus league will help attendance.
New arena new conference a fresh more committed approach.
I don't know I can see the logic behind it .

That's just spin to make it sound like the BSC offers Sac State something more than a home for FB...it doesn't. Aside from Portland State (another public in a metro area) we don't have much in common with any of the other BSC members besides playing FCS FB west of the Mississippi.

If maintaining exposure throughout the west coast via athletics is a driver for our admin, then the WAC can also provide this. Personally I would rather Sac park its Olys in the WAC over the BW because of this and the BW CA bus league mentality. The WAC has a lot of potential, the BW is a "what you see is what you get" kind of situation. Both conferences would offer us a cost savings compared to our current situation in the BSC.

(07-15-2017 02:06 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Who is AUGI?


Chicago State AND UMKC BOTH belong in the Summit League.

There's an Augustana in Illinois too, but Augustana in Sioux Falls used to be in the same conference as the Dakotas and recently won a DII championship.

Should have posted the link:

http://www.argusleader.com/story/sports/...473114001/

Every school in SD seems to be a basketball school, as both men's and women's are very popular. Don't know about DII Black Hills St and South Dakota Mines though.

Posted before that Augustana should go DI in hockey, as Sioux Falls is going nuts about their pre-college USHL Stampede team. Hockey is making waves now in SD, as 30 years ago was almost non-existent. Hockey would give DI exposure without the full cost.

(07-15-2017 03:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Would WAC and Big Sky could do something that could benefit both conferences? WAC could sponsor football again, but this have to do with the help from the Big Sky including some D2 programs.

Cal-Davis WAC affiliate
Cal. Poly WAC Affiliate
Sacramento State WAC or full member
Humboldt State D2 call up for the WAC
Azusa Pacific D2 to the WAC.
Southern Utah WAC affiliate ot full member.
Dixie State full WAC member.
Northern Arizona full WAC member.
West Texas A&M WAC
Colorado State-Pueblo WAC
Western Washington WAC

Central WAshington Big Sky
Western Oregon Big Sky
Simon Fraser Big Sky
Colorado Mesa Big Sky

They all would save money from all three conference stand point. Let UMKC and Chicago State go.

WAC's pairings.
Seattle/Western Washington
Humboldt State/Bakersfield State
California Baptist/Azusa Pacific
Northern Arizona/Grand Canyon U.
NW Nazarene/Utah Valley
New Mexico State/Colorado State-Pueblo
Southern Utah/Dixie State
UTRGV/West Texas A&M

The two Texas schools could wind up leaving for FBS in the future.

Big Sky Pairings;
Portland State/Western Oregon
Simon Fraser/British Columbia in the future.
Central Washington/Eastern Washington
Weber State/Colorado Mesa
Idaho/Idaho State
Montana/Montana State
Northern Colorado They could go to the Summit in the future.

Big Sky and WAC can have protected games like with Sacramento State and Northern Arizona. They could easily schedule 9 to 10 games between the two conference a year and a 11th against an FBS opponent. The issue is that FBS may go away from not playing FCS schools anymore, and it could hurt these western and central plains teams even more.

I could see in the future that football playing members could formed a new all football conference from these hybrid conferences so that they could save money on traveling. It will have to be an overhaul of the current NCAA D1 rules.

Do you stay up all night coming up with this stuff? A lot of these schools are barely staying above water in D2. This will never happen, why would the Big Sky water itself down?


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(07-15-2017 11:55 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Chicago State just got a commit from a 3 star point guard out of Chicago, Marquis Brown. They also offered his teammate, a 3 star forward. With the new state budget, Chicago State is receiving from the state $23 million for last fiscal year and $35 million for next fiscal.

They can start paying bills and recruiting students again. They can spend money on capital improvements. They are not going out of business, they are not dropping down to NAIA and they are not getting kicked out of the WAC. There is zero evidence that the WAC or Chicago State are breaking up.

Like I said before, I actually tip my hat to you for being literally the only poster on this whole board who believes in Chicago St. Even if you're just playing devil's advocate.

Chicago St made several commitments to the WAC conf in the contract it signed for temporary membership in the conf. They haven't come close to meeting those commitments, so the WAC would be well within their right to not renew membership. Would also save its other members trips to Chicago.


But as MSB made a very good point in the post above yours, if UMKC (or someone else) leaves the WAC during this coming sports year ... they could well hang onto Chicago St until they get a replacement lined up and/or a waiver from the NCAA teed up and agreed upon.

(07-15-2017 10:22 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  WAC isn't going to die. Too many members with no where to go or that nobody wants. They are adding another one in CBU, and will probably add APU when CBU get near the end of their transition.

NMSU - Probably not going anywhere until they know their FB is stuck as an Indy. They'll be in the WAC until the mega TV deals start the dominoes, and even then they might not find a FB home.

GCU - For profit private Christian school. They are stuck where they are. BW elitists won't ever accept them for either of those reasons. Maybe WCC is in the cards later down the road.

Seattle - Wants WCC...who doesn't want them. Not going anywhere.

Bako - Similar to Seattle just for the BW. Not going anywhere.

UVU - Not a sports fit for the BSC, but a fit for the Summit...but why would they want to go from a Western based league to a upper Midwestern one? No brainer move to stay put in the WAC. Not likely leaving ever.

UTRGV - Probably a better fit in the Southland...not sure if Southland is looking for members. I'm not really sure what UTRGV's long term vision is. I'm guessing they are a moderate flight risk. If the WAC can add another Texas School (one of those TAM schools) maybe they lock them up for the long haul.

UMKC - Can the Summit get over the way they left? No baseball means they don't really help the Summit hit NCAA conference regs. Moderate flight risk.

Chi State - Too many issues going on here. WAC would probably be better off if they left. Highest flight risk.

CBU - Starting transition, likely nowhere to go when a full D1 member.

So they would be at 6 with a 7th transitioning if Chi State and UMKC leave with another D2 move up in SoCal on the horizon. Biggest issue for the WAC is if NMSU finds a home for football...but by then APU could be transitioning in. Yeah I think the WAC will be just fine.

Very sound assessment. I agree on all counts.

Reading the Argus Leader story, it sounds like Augustana would rather stay a big fish in a small pond than move up to D-I.

(07-15-2017 06:13 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 03:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Would WAC and Big Sky could do something that could benefit both conferences? WAC could sponsor football again, but this have to do with the help from the Big Sky including some D2 programs.

Cal-Davis WAC affiliate
Cal. Poly WAC Affiliate
Sacramento State WAC or full member
Humboldt State D2 call up for the WAC
Azusa Pacific D2 to the WAC.
Southern Utah WAC affiliate ot full member.
Dixie State full WAC member.
Northern Arizona full WAC member.
West Texas A&M WAC
Colorado State-Pueblo WAC
Western Washington WAC

Central WAshington Big Sky
Western Oregon Big Sky
Simon Fraser Big Sky
Colorado Mesa Big Sky

They all would save money from all three conference stand point. Let UMKC and Chicago State go.

WAC's pairings.
Seattle/Western Washington
Humboldt State/Bakersfield State
California Baptist/Azusa Pacific
Northern Arizona/Grand Canyon U.
NW Nazarene/Utah Valley
New Mexico State/Colorado State-Pueblo
Southern Utah/Dixie State
UTRGV/West Texas A&M

The two Texas schools could wind up leaving for FBS in the future.

Big Sky Pairings;
Portland State/Western Oregon
Simon Fraser/British Columbia in the future.
Central Washington/Eastern Washington
Weber State/Colorado Mesa
Idaho/Idaho State
Montana/Montana State
Northern Colorado They could go to the Summit in the future.

Big Sky and WAC can have protected games like with Sacramento State and Northern Arizona. They could easily schedule 9 to 10 games between the two conference a year and a 11th against an FBS opponent. The issue is that FBS may go away from not playing FCS schools anymore, and it could hurt these western and central plains teams even more.

I could see in the future that football playing members could formed a new all football conference from these hybrid conferences so that they could save money on traveling. It will have to be an overhaul of the current NCAA D1 rules.

Do you stay up all night coming up with this stuff? A lot of these schools are barely staying above water in D2. This will never happen, why would the Big Sky water itself down?


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I posted links a few months ago about these D2 schools getting money for upgrades on their facilities.

Central Washington and Dixie State have done or are doing expansions to their football stadiums.
The other schools are also upgrading their facilities and adding sports.

As it is, there are a lack of football schools on the west coast. The most are in D3 which are mostly privates. As it is, both MWC and Big Sky Conference do have a lack of options just like the PAC 12 on who to expand with.

(07-16-2017 01:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 06:13 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 03:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Would WAC and Big Sky could do something that could benefit both conferences? WAC could sponsor football again, but this have to do with the help from the Big Sky including some D2 programs.

Cal-Davis WAC affiliate
Cal. Poly WAC Affiliate
Sacramento State WAC or full member
Humboldt State D2 call up for the WAC
Azusa Pacific D2 to the WAC.
Southern Utah WAC affiliate ot full member.
Dixie State full WAC member.
Northern Arizona full WAC member.
West Texas A&M WAC
Colorado State-Pueblo WAC
Western Washington WAC

Central WAshington Big Sky
Western Oregon Big Sky
Simon Fraser Big Sky
Colorado Mesa Big Sky

They all would save money from all three conference stand point. Let UMKC and Chicago State go.

WAC's pairings.
Seattle/Western Washington
Humboldt State/Bakersfield State
California Baptist/Azusa Pacific
Northern Arizona/Grand Canyon U.
NW Nazarene/Utah Valley
New Mexico State/Colorado State-Pueblo
Southern Utah/Dixie State
UTRGV/West Texas A&M

The two Texas schools could wind up leaving for FBS in the future.

Big Sky Pairings;
Portland State/Western Oregon
Simon Fraser/British Columbia in the future.
Central Washington/Eastern Washington
Weber State/Colorado Mesa
Idaho/Idaho State
Montana/Montana State
Northern Colorado They could go to the Summit in the future.

Big Sky and WAC can have protected games like with Sacramento State and Northern Arizona. They could easily schedule 9 to 10 games between the two conference a year and a 11th against an FBS opponent. The issue is that FBS may go away from not playing FCS schools anymore, and it could hurt these western and central plains teams even more.

I could see in the future that football playing members could formed a new all football conference from these hybrid conferences so that they could save money on traveling. It will have to be an overhaul of the current NCAA D1 rules.

Do you stay up all night coming up with this stuff? A lot of these schools are barely staying above water in D2. This will never happen, why would the Big Sky water itself down?


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I posted links a few months ago about these D2 schools getting money for upgrades on their facilities.

Central Washington and Dixie State have done or are doing expansions to their football stadiums.
The other schools are also upgrading their facilities and adding sports.

As it is, there are a lack of football schools on the west coast. The most are in D3 which are mostly privates. As it is, both MWC and Big Sky Conference do have a lack of options just like the PAC 12 on who to expand with.

There is a reason that there aren't as many football schools in the West. It's because not as many people are into (college) football out there.

(07-16-2017 01:13 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 01:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 06:13 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 03:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Would WAC and Big Sky could do something that could benefit both conferences? WAC could sponsor football again, but this have to do with the help from the Big Sky including some D2 programs.

Cal-Davis WAC affiliate
Cal. Poly WAC Affiliate
Sacramento State WAC or full member
Humboldt State D2 call up for the WAC
Azusa Pacific D2 to the WAC.
Southern Utah WAC affiliate ot full member.
Dixie State full WAC member.
Northern Arizona full WAC member.
West Texas A&M WAC
Colorado State-Pueblo WAC
Western Washington WAC

Central WAshington Big Sky
Western Oregon Big Sky
Simon Fraser Big Sky
Colorado Mesa Big Sky

They all would save money from all three conference stand point. Let UMKC and Chicago State go.

WAC's pairings.
Seattle/Western Washington
Humboldt State/Bakersfield State
California Baptist/Azusa Pacific
Northern Arizona/Grand Canyon U.
NW Nazarene/Utah Valley
New Mexico State/Colorado State-Pueblo
Southern Utah/Dixie State
UTRGV/West Texas A&M

The two Texas schools could wind up leaving for FBS in the future.

Big Sky Pairings;
Portland State/Western Oregon
Simon Fraser/British Columbia in the future.
Central Washington/Eastern Washington
Weber State/Colorado Mesa
Idaho/Idaho State
Montana/Montana State
Northern Colorado They could go to the Summit in the future.

Big Sky and WAC can have protected games like with Sacramento State and Northern Arizona. They could easily schedule 9 to 10 games between the two conference a year and a 11th against an FBS opponent. The issue is that FBS may go away from not playing FCS schools anymore, and it could hurt these western and central plains teams even more.

I could see in the future that football playing members could formed a new all football conference from these hybrid conferences so that they could save money on traveling. It will have to be an overhaul of the current NCAA D1 rules.

Do you stay up all night coming up with this stuff? A lot of these schools are barely staying above water in D2. This will never happen, why would the Big Sky water itself down?


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I posted links a few months ago about these D2 schools getting money for upgrades on their facilities.

Central Washington and Dixie State have done or are doing expansions to their football stadiums.
The other schools are also upgrading their facilities and adding sports.

As it is, there are a lack of football schools on the west coast. The most are in D3 which are mostly privates. As it is, both MWC and Big Sky Conference do have a lack of options just like the PAC 12 on who to expand with.

There is a reason that there aren't as many football schools in the West. It's because not as many people are into (college) football out there.

Uhh just maybe it is because there are a lot fewer people in the west with larger distances between metro centers. That means fewer colleges and more expense in running athletic programs for travel, etc. Thus fewer programs playing football

To SoCalBobcat

WAC contract called for Chicago State to:

* Significantly increase athletic budget (it's actually much smaller, less than 50% of expected levels)
* Add Men's Soccer to their sponsored sports (DOA, Chicago State's AD forgot and now pushing Pioneer Football pipe dream)
* Increase staffing levels (triple) to WAC average, especially in compliance and support (head count is lower)
* Meet all facilities safety requirements (WAC has open complaint about T&F safety, and others)

By comparison UTRGV has met all these requirements, adding Men's and Women's soccer, upping the budget 150% from when they joined, and increasing staffing to WAC averages (over 20 hires).

In addition to the above non-compliance Chicago State's student enrollment has dropped from 7,850 when they signed the contract to under 3200 now. They have collect $0 in donations, and less than $80K in gate for all sports over the last four years. While Hurd has praised UTRGV as an example of a school that is everything the WAC wants in a partner, and even had them meet with CBU as part of their wooing; when asked to confirm Chicago State's status as a WAC member after 2017-18 he has repeatedly refused to comment, except to say "we are monitoring the situation."

I think there is more than enough evidence Chicago State is not likely to be retained or get a new contract. Where are the 6 votes to keep them going to come from?