(06-22-2017 09:52 AM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  Which program is responsible for the most revenue coming into CUSA in the last three or four years. Who actually brings money to the conference. About the only thing that counts there is money from the NCAA tournament. I'd say MT has done that the last couple of years advancing beyond the first round of the tournament. Is there any other thing that brings money into the conference that is the result of one program's winning efforts???

NCAA allocates a percent of the revenue share for APR benchmarks, but I suspect most if not everyone is meeting this.

(06-22-2017 09:52 AM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  Which program is responsible for the most revenue coming into CUSA in the last three or four years. Who actually brings money to the conference. About the only thing that counts there is money from the NCAA tournament. I'd say MT has done that the last couple of years advancing beyond the first round of the tournament. Is there any other thing that brings money into the conference that is the result of one program's winning efforts???

Bowl wins probably brings in money too.

Spending money on athletics and investing in athletics is a sign as well. I wonder which program has the biggest athletic budget in the conference?

My 2 cent on the matter........

I think you can divide the Metrix that helps create a teams (School's) value for the Conference into Six categories. The most recognizes value appears to be from the list below .......

#1). TV/Market Value
#2). Brand Value
#3). Overall on Field Performance Value*
#4). Institutional Reputation Value
#5). Facilities value#
#6). Regional support and Attendance

(#Budget or the Universities commitment to the athletic department all so plays a part and is so what a factored that establishes facilities an upgrades to athletic venues).

* Primarily - Football, Men's & Women's Basketball, Baseball, Soccer

Rate each school from 1 -10 (10 the highest)
UAB 7, 7, 4. 7, 6, 5 = 36/6 Overall Rating ..... 6
Charlotte 8, 7, 5, 6, 6, 5 = 37/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.16
FAU 6, 4, 3, 4, 6, 3 = 26/6 Overall Rating ..... 4.33
FIU 6, 5, 4, 5, 5, 3 = 28/6 Overall Rating ..... 4.66
La Tech 5, 8, 7, 6, 7, 8 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
Middle Tennessee 6, 7, 8, 6, 7, 7 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
Marshall 6, 8, 7, 6, 7, 7 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
North Texas 6, 5, 4, 6, 7, 4 = 32/6 Overall Rating ..... 5.33
Old Dominion 8, 6, 6, 8, 8, 9 = 45/6 Overall Rating ..... 7.50
Rice 8, 6, 5, 9, 7, 6 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
Southern Miss 4, 8, 6, 7, 8, 7 = 40/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.66
UTEP 7, 7, 5, 6, 6, 8 = 39/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.50
UTSA 6, 6, 5, 6, 4, 5 = 32/6 Overall Rating ..... 5.33
Western Kentucky 6, 7, 9, 7, 8. 7 = 44/6 Overall Rating ..... 7.33

1). Old Dominion 7.50
2). Western Kentucky 7.33
3). La Tech 6.83
3). Marshall 6.83
3). Middle Tennessee 6.83
3). Rice 6.83
7). Southern Miss 6.66
8). UTEP 6.50
9). Charlotte 6.16
10). UAB 6
11). North Texas 5.33
12). UTSA 5.33
13). FIU 4.66
14). FAU 4.33

@ Obviously there is always going to be attributes that are subjective. This is my subjective review of those six categories....
You have to be honest and admit that there is more to establishing value for a School than JUST the on field performance, just like the market location is not the only factor. I feel this is a honest evaluation of the most critical aspects that establish the importance or value a school has for a Conference.

Frankly, I expected us to be ranked near the bottom, so, ho hum...

I am hoping FAU will improve in football and then these sort of rankings will count for nothing.

(06-22-2017 10:05 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 09:52 AM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  Which program is responsible for the most revenue coming into CUSA in the last three or four years. Who actually brings money to the conference. About the only thing that counts there is money from the NCAA tournament. I'd say MT has done that the last couple of years advancing beyond the first round of the tournament. Is there any other thing that brings money into the conference that is the result of one program's winning efforts???

Bowl wins probably brings in money too.

Spending money on athletics and investing in athletics is a sign as well. I wonder which program has the biggest athletic budget in the conference?

Bowls do not bring in money. Generally a losing proposition for the conference collectively. Breakeven is a desired goal though you can apply "some" value to the exposure created by playing in a bowl game.

That said, I want to especially pick apart your view that spending money somehow equates to value. Particularly when ODU - by dollar value - is subsidized significantly more than any other school in the league. USA Today usually has those numbers released by now for the previous year ('15-16).

But in the most recent numbers ODU received subsidy of $28.4 million. The next closest was FIU at $23 million and the league average was $17.8 million in the '14-15 fiscal year. Not sure this is a subject you want to toot your horn on as far as creating value.

(06-22-2017 10:35 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 10:05 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 09:52 AM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  Which program is responsible for the most revenue coming into CUSA in the last three or four years. Who actually brings money to the conference. About the only thing that counts there is money from the NCAA tournament. I'd say MT has done that the last couple of years advancing beyond the first round of the tournament. Is there any other thing that brings money into the conference that is the result of one program's winning efforts???

Bowl wins probably brings in money too.

Spending money on athletics and investing in athletics is a sign as well. I wonder which program has the biggest athletic budget in the conference?

Bowls do not bring in money. Generally a losing proposition for the conference collectively. Breakeven is a desired goal though you can apply "some" value to the exposure created by playing in a bowl game.

That said, I want to especially pick apart your view that spending money somehow equates to value. Particularly when ODU - by dollar value - is subsidized significantly more than any other school in the league. USA Today usually has those numbers released by now for the previous year ('15-16).

But in the most recent numbers ODU received subsidy of $28.4 million. The next closest was FIU at $23 million and the league average was $17.8 million in the '14-15 fiscal year. Not sure this is a subject you want to toot your horn on as far as creating value.

Until every state meets the standards Virginia has set in reporting student fees, those comparisons are meaningless.

(06-22-2017 10:27 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  My 2 cent on the matter........

I think you can divide the Metrix that helps create a teams (School's) value for the Conference into Six categories. The most recognizes value appears to be from the list below .......

#1). TV/Market Value
#2). Brand Value
#3). Overall on Field Performance Value*
#4). Institutional Reputation Value
#5). Facilities value
#6). Regional support and Attendance,

* Primarily - Football, Men's & Women's Basketball, Baseball, Soccer

Rate each school from 1 -10 (10 the highest)
UAB 7, 7, 4. 7, 6, 5 = 36/6 Overall Rating ..... 6
Charlotte 8, 7, 5, 6, 6, 5 = 37/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.16
FAU 6, 4, 3, 4, 6, 3 = 26/6 Overall Rating ..... 4.33
FIU 6, 5, 4, 5, 5, 3 = 28/6 Overall Rating ..... 4.66
La Tech 5, 8, 7, 6, 7, 8 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
Middle Tennessee 6, 7, 8, 6, 7, 7 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
Marshall 6, 8, 7, 6, 7, 7 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
North Texas 6, 5, 4, 6, 7, 4 = 32/6 Overall Rating ..... 5.33
Old Dominion 8, 6, 6, 8, 8, 9 = 45/6 Overall Rating ..... 7.50
Rice 8, 6, 5, 9, 7, 6 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
Southern Miss 4, 8, 6, 7, 8, 7 = 40/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.66
UTEP 7, 7, 5, 6, 6, 8 = 39/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.50
UTSA 6, 6, 5, 6, 4, 5 = 32/6 Overall Rating ..... 5.33
Western Kentucky 6, 7, 9, 7, 8. 7 = 44/6 Overall Rating ..... 7.33

1). Old Dominion 7.50
2). Western Kentucky 7.33
3). La Tech 6.83
3). Marshall 6.83
3). Middle Tennessee 6.83
3). Rice 6.83
7). Southern Miss 6.66
8). UTEP 6.50
9). Charlotte 6.16
10). UAB 6
11). North Texas 5.33
12). UTSA 5.33
13). FIU 4.66
14). FAU 4.33

@ Obviously there is always going to be attributes that are subjective. This is my subjective review of those six categories....
You have to be honest and admit that there is more to establishing value for a School than JUST the on field performance, just like the market location is not the only factor. I feel this is a honest evaluation of the most critical aspects that establish the importance or value a school has for a Conference.

Just curious what is the Institutional Reputation Value?
If that is academic, you seriously over-valued ODU.
Rice, UAB, Tech and Charlotte have been Tier One Universities for years, 5 or 6 would be more rational for ODU. All the others would be fine with slight bias, but Institutional Rep value seems way out the norm.

I would think Southern Miss, Marshall and UTEP would have rated higher on support. With ODU 7th in football attendance far behind those 3.

(06-22-2017 10:27 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  My 2 cent on the matter........

I think you can divide the Metrix that helps create a teams (School's) value for the Conference into Six categories. The most recognizes value appears to be from the list below .......

#1). TV/Market Value
#2). Brand Value
#3). Overall on Field Performance Value*
#4). Institutional Reputation Value
#5). Facilities value#
#6). Regional support and Attendance

(#Budget or the Universities commitment to the athletic department all so plays a part and is so what a factored that establishes facilities an upgrades to athletic venues).

* Primarily - Football, Men's & Women's Basketball, Baseball, Soccer

Rate each school from 1 -10 (10 the highest)
UAB 7, 7, 4. 7, 6, 5 = 36/6 Overall Rating ..... 6
Charlotte 8, 7, 5, 6, 6, 5 = 37/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.16
FAU 6, 4, 3, 4, 6, 3 = 26/6 Overall Rating ..... 4.33
FIU 6, 5, 4, 5, 5, 3 = 28/6 Overall Rating ..... 4.66
La Tech 5, 8, 7, 6, 7, 8 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
Middle Tennessee 6, 7, 8, 6, 7, 7 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
Marshall 6, 8, 7, 6, 7, 7 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
North Texas 6, 5, 4, 6, 7, 4 = 32/6 Overall Rating ..... 5.33
Old Dominion 8, 6, 6, 8, 8, 9 = 45/6 Overall Rating ..... 7.50
Rice 8, 6, 5, 9, 7, 6 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
Southern Miss 4, 8, 6, 7, 8, 7 = 40/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.66
UTEP 7, 7, 5, 6, 6, 8 = 39/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.50
UTSA 6, 6, 5, 6, 4, 5 = 32/6 Overall Rating ..... 5.33
Western Kentucky 6, 7, 9, 7, 8. 7 = 44/6 Overall Rating ..... 7.33

1). Old Dominion 7.50
2). Western Kentucky 7.33
3). La Tech 6.83
3). Marshall 6.83
3). Middle Tennessee 6.83
3). Rice 6.83
7). Southern Miss 6.66
8). UTEP 6.50
9). Charlotte 6.16
10). UAB 6
11). North Texas 5.33
12). UTSA 5.33
13). FIU 4.66
14). FAU 4.33

@ Obviously there is always going to be attributes that are subjective. This is my subjective review of those six categories....
You have to be honest and admit that there is more to establishing value for a School than JUST the on field performance, just like the market location is not the only factor. I feel this is a honest evaluation of the most critical aspects that establish the importance or value a school has for a Conference.

What is the difference between #1 and #6? If #1 isn't reflecting local support but "market", how do you assign 7 to UTEP and 6 to UTSA & UNT and 8 to ODU & Charlotte? If it is more than just "market", why is USM at 4 vs the others listed?

(06-22-2017 10:40 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 10:35 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 10:05 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 09:52 AM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  Which program is responsible for the most revenue coming into CUSA in the last three or four years. Who actually brings money to the conference. About the only thing that counts there is money from the NCAA tournament. I'd say MT has done that the last couple of years advancing beyond the first round of the tournament. Is there any other thing that brings money into the conference that is the result of one program's winning efforts???

Bowl wins probably brings in money too.

Spending money on athletics and investing in athletics is a sign as well. I wonder which program has the biggest athletic budget in the conference?

Bowls do not bring in money. Generally a losing proposition for the conference collectively. Breakeven is a desired goal though you can apply "some" value to the exposure created by playing in a bowl game.

That said, I want to especially pick apart your view that spending money somehow equates to value. Particularly when ODU - by dollar value - is subsidized significantly more than any other school in the league. USA Today usually has those numbers released by now for the previous year ('15-16).

But in the most recent numbers ODU received subsidy of $28.4 million. The next closest was FIU at $23 million and the league average was $17.8 million in the '14-15 fiscal year. Not sure this is a subject you want to toot your horn on as far as creating value.

Until every state meets the standards Virginia has set in reporting student fees, those comparisons are meaningless.

What standard do you have to meet that say MT, wkcc or Charlotte doesn't have to meet?

At MT every fee that goes to athletics is separated and reported separately. So, I seriously doubt you are having to meet some obligation we are not, for example.

What's "brand value"?

(06-22-2017 10:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 10:40 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 10:35 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 10:05 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 09:52 AM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  Which program is responsible for the most revenue coming into CUSA in the last three or four years. Who actually brings money to the conference. About the only thing that counts there is money from the NCAA tournament. I'd say MT has done that the last couple of years advancing beyond the first round of the tournament. Is there any other thing that brings money into the conference that is the result of one program's winning efforts???

Bowl wins probably brings in money too.

Spending money on athletics and investing in athletics is a sign as well. I wonder which program has the biggest athletic budget in the conference?

Bowls do not bring in money. Generally a losing proposition for the conference collectively. Breakeven is a desired goal though you can apply "some" value to the exposure created by playing in a bowl game.

That said, I want to especially pick apart your view that spending money somehow equates to value. Particularly when ODU - by dollar value - is subsidized significantly more than any other school in the league. USA Today usually has those numbers released by now for the previous year ('15-16).

But in the most recent numbers ODU received subsidy of $28.4 million. The next closest was FIU at $23 million and the league average was $17.8 million in the '14-15 fiscal year. Not sure this is a subject you want to toot your horn on as far as creating value.

Until every state meets the standards Virginia has set in reporting student fees, those comparisons are meaningless.

What standard do you have to meet that say MT, wkcc or Charlotte doesn't have to meet?

At MT every fee that goes to athletics is separated and reported separately. So, I seriously doubt you are having to meet some obligation we are not, for example.

There are only two states that require student fee disclosure; Virginia and Tennessee. ODU and MT are the only schools in CUSA where you can safely accept the numbers as reported.

(06-22-2017 10:27 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  My 2 cent on the matter........

I think you can divide the Metrix that helps create a teams (School's) value for the Conference into Six categories. The most recognizes value appears to be from the list below .......

#1). TV/Market Value
#2). Brand Value
#3). Overall on Field Performance Value*
#4). Institutional Reputation Value
#5). Facilities value#
#6). Regional support and Attendance

(#Budget or the Universities commitment to the athletic department all so plays a part and is so what a factored that establishes facilities an upgrades to athletic venues).

* Primarily - Football, Men's & Women's Basketball, Baseball, Soccer

Rate each school from 1 -10 (10 the highest)
UAB 7, 7, 4. 7, 6, 5 = 36/6 Overall Rating ..... 6
Charlotte 8, 7, 5, 6, 6, 5 = 37/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.16
FAU 6, 4, 3, 4, 6, 3 = 26/6 Overall Rating ..... 4.33
FIU 6, 5, 4, 5, 5, 3 = 28/6 Overall Rating ..... 4.66
La Tech 5, 8, 7, 6, 7, 8 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
Middle Tennessee 6, 7, 8, 6, 7, 7 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
Marshall 6, 8, 7, 6, 7, 7 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
North Texas 6, 5, 4, 6, 7, 4 = 32/6 Overall Rating ..... 5.33
Old Dominion 8, 6, 6, 8, 8, 9 = 45/6 Overall Rating ..... 7.50
Rice 8, 6, 5, 9, 7, 6 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
Southern Miss 4, 8, 6, 7, 8, 7 = 40/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.66
UTEP 7, 7, 5, 6, 6, 8 = 39/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.50
UTSA 6, 6, 5, 6, 4, 5 = 32/6 Overall Rating ..... 5.33
Western Kentucky 6, 7, 9, 7, 8. 7 = 44/6 Overall Rating ..... 7.33

1). Old Dominion 7.50
2). Western Kentucky 7.33
3). La Tech 6.83
3). Marshall 6.83
3). Middle Tennessee 6.83
3). Rice 6.83
7). Southern Miss 6.66
8). UTEP 6.50
9). Charlotte 6.16
10). UAB 6
11). North Texas 5.33
12). UTSA 5.33
13). FIU 4.66
14). FAU 4.33

@ Obviously there is always going to be attributes that are subjective. This is my subjective review of those six categories....
You have to be honest and admit that there is more to establishing value for a School than JUST the on field performance, just like the market location is not the only factor. I feel this is a honest evaluation of the most critical aspects that establish the importance or value a school has for a Conference.

You give ODU the highest rank in attendance just because they can sellout a FCS stadium?

ODU has won zero championships in the big sports and has not won any big OOC games either. They belong near the bottom with FAU and FIU when it comes to value. They had a decent year in football last year only because they had the easiest conference schedule.

They are having to play most their games on ESPN3 because none of the networks saw any "value" in their program. They didn't get pick up. Unlike MT where almost all of our games were picked up (most in the conference I Believe) by networks including the only "real" ESPN conference game. I guess that would make us the most "valuable" team in the conference.

(06-22-2017 10:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 10:40 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 10:35 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 10:05 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 09:52 AM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  Which program is responsible for the most revenue coming into CUSA in the last three or four years. Who actually brings money to the conference. About the only thing that counts there is money from the NCAA tournament. I'd say MT has done that the last couple of years advancing beyond the first round of the tournament. Is there any other thing that brings money into the conference that is the result of one program's winning efforts???

Bowl wins probably brings in money too.

Spending money on athletics and investing in athletics is a sign as well. I wonder which program has the biggest athletic budget in the conference?

Bowls do not bring in money. Generally a losing proposition for the conference collectively. Breakeven is a desired goal though you can apply "some" value to the exposure created by playing in a bowl game.

That said, I want to especially pick apart your view that spending money somehow equates to value. Particularly when ODU - by dollar value - is subsidized significantly more than any other school in the league. USA Today usually has those numbers released by now for the previous year ('15-16).

But in the most recent numbers ODU received subsidy of $28.4 million. The next closest was FIU at $23 million and the league average was $17.8 million in the '14-15 fiscal year. Not sure this is a subject you want to toot your horn on as far as creating value.

Until every state meets the standards Virginia has set in reporting student fees, those comparisons are meaningless.

What standard do you have to meet that say MT, wkcc or Charlotte doesn't have to meet?

At MT every fee that goes to athletics is separated and reported separately. So, I seriously doubt you are having to meet some obligation we are not, for example.

There are certain University Overhead items that have to be allocated to athletics. Also, things like the pep and marching band expenses. Tennessee I understand has similar rules but I know that in JMU's Carr Report it was noted that their budget would be 6-7 million less if they were located in NC for instance. All of this would have been from student fees. I don't think this figure is quite as high at ODU but it's hard to discern. But he's right, comparing these figures especially across state lines is not going to give you apples to apples. The NCAA has made changes to their agreed upon procedures to try to make this more uniform. Some schools for instance weren't reporting some expenses paid through their booster groups as athletic expenses. That will now be required but I don't think the changes are reflected in any numbers now available.

All of that said. Our overall subsidy figure is still likely the highest. But our nonsubsidized income is also the highest and the percentage subsidized is pretty average for the conference. So we have the highest fan support and institutional support and the ratio of these are pretty close to conference standard.

(06-22-2017 10:55 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 10:27 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  My 2 cent on the matter........

I think you can divide the Metrix that helps create a teams (School's) value for the Conference into Six categories. The most recognizes value appears to be from the list below .......

#1). TV/Market Value
#2). Brand Value
#3). Overall on Field Performance Value*
#4). Institutional Reputation Value
#5). Facilities value#
#6). Regional support and Attendance

(#Budget or the Universities commitment to the athletic department all so plays a part and is so what a factored that establishes facilities an upgrades to athletic venues).

* Primarily - Football, Men's & Women's Basketball, Baseball, Soccer

Rate each school from 1 -10 (10 the highest)
UAB 7, 7, 4. 7, 6, 5 = 36/6 Overall Rating ..... 6
Charlotte 8, 7, 5, 6, 6, 5 = 37/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.16
FAU 6, 4, 3, 4, 6, 3 = 26/6 Overall Rating ..... 4.33
FIU 6, 5, 4, 5, 5, 3 = 28/6 Overall Rating ..... 4.66
La Tech 5, 8, 7, 6, 7, 8 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
Middle Tennessee 6, 7, 8, 6, 7, 7 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
Marshall 6, 8, 7, 6, 7, 7 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
North Texas 6, 5, 4, 6, 7, 4 = 32/6 Overall Rating ..... 5.33
Old Dominion 8, 6, 6, 8, 8, 9 = 45/6 Overall Rating ..... 7.50
Rice 8, 6, 5, 9, 7, 6 = 41/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.83
Southern Miss 4, 8, 6, 7, 8, 7 = 40/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.66
UTEP 7, 7, 5, 6, 6, 8 = 39/6 Overall Rating ..... 6.50
UTSA 6, 6, 5, 6, 4, 5 = 32/6 Overall Rating ..... 5.33
Western Kentucky 6, 7, 9, 7, 8. 7 = 44/6 Overall Rating ..... 7.33

1). Old Dominion 7.50
2). Western Kentucky 7.33
3). La Tech 6.83
3). Marshall 6.83
3). Middle Tennessee 6.83
3). Rice 6.83
7). Southern Miss 6.66
8). UTEP 6.50
9). Charlotte 6.16
10). UAB 6
11). North Texas 5.33
12). UTSA 5.33
13). FIU 4.66
14). FAU 4.33

@ Obviously there is always going to be attributes that are subjective. This is my subjective review of those six categories....
You have to be honest and admit that there is more to establishing value for a School than JUST the on field performance, just like the market location is not the only factor. I feel this is a honest evaluation of the most critical aspects that establish the importance or value a school has for a Conference.

You give ODU the highest rank in attendance just because they can sellout a FCS stadium?

More people see ODU events annually than USM. There are other sports than football.

(06-22-2017 11:03 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  ODU has won zero championships in the big sports and has not won any big OOC games either. They belong near the bottom with FAU and FIU when it comes to value. They had a decent year in football last year only because they had the easiest conference schedule.

I agree in football, they have yet to prove anything besides having an easy schedule. But in basketball I would place them in the top 5 in the conference.

(06-22-2017 11:03 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  ODU has won zero championships in the big sports and has not won any big OOC games either. They belong near the bottom with FAU and FIU when it comes to value. They had a decent year in football last year only because they had the easiest conference schedule.

Yeah we didn't struggle against cupcake like UTSA and Marshall for sure.

(06-22-2017 10:50 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 10:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 10:40 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 10:35 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 10:05 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Bowl wins probably brings in money too.

Spending money on athletics and investing in athletics is a sign as well. I wonder which program has the biggest athletic budget in the conference?

Bowls do not bring in money. Generally a losing proposition for the conference collectively. Breakeven is a desired goal though you can apply "some" value to the exposure created by playing in a bowl game.

That said, I want to especially pick apart your view that spending money somehow equates to value. Particularly when ODU - by dollar value - is subsidized significantly more than any other school in the league. USA Today usually has those numbers released by now for the previous year ('15-16).

But in the most recent numbers ODU received subsidy of $28.4 million. The next closest was FIU at $23 million and the league average was $17.8 million in the '14-15 fiscal year. Not sure this is a subject you want to toot your horn on as far as creating value.

Until every state meets the standards Virginia has set in reporting student fees, those comparisons are meaningless.

What standard do you have to meet that say MT, wkcc or Charlotte doesn't have to meet?

At MT every fee that goes to athletics is separated and reported separately. So, I seriously doubt you are having to meet some obligation we are not, for example.

There are only two states that require student fee disclosure; Virginia and Tennessee. ODU and MT are the only schools in CUSA where you can safely accept the numbers as reported.

You are talking about legal requirements. Actual laws on the books. I seriously doubt a university who is reporting fees is not being truthful with that information. It would otherwise set them up for lawsuits. They would be better served to just not report them at all then to put out fake info since they are not legally required to do so. The reality is almost all universities sans the private schools has their own policies that require athletic fees to be disclosed. And while I understand not every school is going to report them exactly the same way I doubt there is a multi-million difference in the way some schools in a conference report vs another school when we are already talking about such low budgets anyway.

BTW, MT's subsidy is at $19M, so that extra $9 to 10M ODU gets would put MT's budget about the same as yours.

(06-22-2017 11:05 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 11:03 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  ODU has won zero championships in the big sports and has not won any big OOC games either. They belong near the bottom with FAU and FIU when it comes to value. They had a decent year in football last year only because they had the easiest conference schedule.

I agree in football, they have yet to prove anything besides having an easy schedule. But in basketball I would place them in the top 5 in the conference.

That's not saying a whole lot in this conference.

(06-22-2017 11:05 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 11:03 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  ODU has won zero championships in the big sports and has not won any big OOC games either. They belong near the bottom with FAU and FIU when it comes to value. They had a decent year in football last year only because they had the easiest conference schedule.

I agree in football, they have yet to prove anything besides having an easy schedule. But in basketball I would place them in the top 5 in the conference.

That's not saying a whole lot in this conference.