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RE: Who replaces North Dakota in BIG SKY in 2019?
(06-21-2017 04:34 PM)NoDak Wrote:  In Idaho's contractual agreement to return to the Big Sky, Idaho had an out if the Montanas and N Dakota were already gone. Why would Idaho have such a clause unless those three schools were talking about leaving years ago?

It had nothing to do with a plan ... it was just to address the risk that the Big Sky was no longer the attractive conference that Idaho thought it was going to be for any reason. An emergency clause.

Furthermore, if Idaho president doesn't care about being successful in FBS, I don't think he'll care about being successful in the Big Sky.
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RE: Who replaces North Dakota in BIG SKY in 2019?
Say the ten non-California Big Sky schools average 25 Cali kids.
Where are those 250 kids going to play football California isn't Texas with around twenty FBS/FCS combined programs?

To me, the four Dakota schools mainly getting Minnesota and Wisconsin kids is a plus.
A conference is only going to have maybe four or five strong programs at a time.
The block of four of Idaho-EWU and Montana's getting half their kids from California is a plus.
Say those eight are it for football and maybe a couple non- football schools round out the conference.
Then you have a pretty strong conference for fan support and academics with name schools.
The FCS California schools would recruit against this better conference.
NDSU, Montana, SDSU, and EWU are teams that interest fans if your FCS.
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RE: Who replaces North Dakota in BIG SKY in 2019?
(06-21-2017 04:44 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 04:34 PM)NoDak Wrote:  In Idaho's contractual agreement to return to the Big Sky, Idaho had an out if the Montanas and N Dakota were already gone. Why would Idaho have such a clause unless those three schools were talking about leaving years ago?

It had nothing to do with a plan ... it was just to address the risk that the Big Sky was no longer the attractive conference that Idaho thought it was going to be for any reason. An emergency clause.

Furthermore, if Idaho president doesn't care about being successful in FBS, I don't think he'll care about being successful in the Big Sky.

Well according to most posters here, the Montanas are cemented in the Big Sky. There is no emergency unless Yellowstone erupts.

Staben has to keep costs down. The only thing that can bring Idaho FBS is a MAC West with the Montanas and Dakotas. Presidents actually have strategic plans that they don't reveal.
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RE: Who replaces North Dakota in BIG SKY in 2019?
If it happens, then I'll believe you.

Not until then.
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RE: Who replaces North Dakota in BIG SKY in 2019?
Northern Colorado is the only Big Sky school (UND I don't consider) with significant numbers of non-Westerners. Even so they are heavily Western. Their Spring football roster had

33 from Colorado, 13 California, 4 others from the west (Utah, Wyoming -really home base-, Washington, Vancouver)

They had 8 from Texas, 7 from Illinois (6 Chicago area), 7 from the South (3 Florida). Only 3 from the plains (Iowa, Kansas, and Kansas City-MO which is Kansas zone), and 3 others (NH, MI, WI).

Excepting some Chicago and Texas influence, even NoCo is very western leaning composition of team and student body. It's clearly more Western than Midwestern, although it has more contact with Texas and Chicago than the rest of the West. It really is the gateway to the West now.
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RE: Who replaces North Dakota in BIG SKY in 2019?
(06-21-2017 04:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 04:25 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Montana has to fly for games. So that is a sunk cost.

Not the same cost going to Calif as Southern Utah.

(06-21-2017 04:25 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  The recruiting that goes on during the games is an added benefit for recruiting.

Cheaper to send one asst coach out there than the whole football team + staff.

(06-21-2017 04:25 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  And yes, players do choose schools that will play near their home in the future, even if it is just twice in their career.

Your wishful thinking. No proof


As usual, you don't understand reality. No use is explaining reality to you. You, NoDak and David St.
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RE: Who replaces North Dakota in BIG SKY in 2019?
Idaho hasn't been in a conference with any California schools since 2012, has played a grand total of 2 games in that state from 2012-2016, and don't play there this year either. We still have 15 Californians on our roster and recruit there heavily. I don't think being in a conference with Sacramento St. is the golden goose you guys think it is.
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RE: Who replaces North Dakota in BIG SKY in 2019?
(06-21-2017 05:12 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Northern Colorado is the only Big Sky school (UND I don't consider) with significant numbers of non-Westerners. Even so they are heavily Western. Their Spring football roster had

33 from Colorado, 13 California, 4 others from the west (Utah, Wyoming -really home base-, Washington, Vancouver)

They had 8 from Texas, 7 from Illinois (6 Chicago area), 7 from the South (3 Florida). Only 3 from the plains (Iowa, Kansas, and Kansas City-MO which is Kansas zone), and 3 others (NH, MI, WI).

Excepting some Chicago and Texas influence, even NoCo is very western leaning composition of team and student body. It's clearly more Western than Midwestern, although it has more contact with Texas and Chicago than the rest of the West. It really is the gateway to the West now.

Regardless, it was in the North Central conf for many years with Dakotas, including national championships (DII) in 90's.
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RE: Who replaces North Dakota in BIG SKY in 2019?
(06-21-2017 05:16 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  As usual, you don't understand reality. No use is explaining reality to you. You, NoDak and David St.

Personal insults when you run out of counter arguments. Too bad
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(06-21-2017 05:38 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  Idaho hasn't been in a conference with any California schools since 2012, has played a grand total of 2 games in that state from 2012-2016, and don't play there this year either. We still have 15 Californians on our roster and recruit there heavily. I don't think being in a conference with Sacramento St. is the golden goose you guys think it is.

It isn't. They have no proof, only a hypothesis.

Thats good enough on an internet message board to declare yourself an expert.
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