(07-10-2017 10:28 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 07:25 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:22 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 01:11 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 12:30 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  And a Dakota cabal FBS conference centered around a region with zero media markets, limited recruits, and limited fans while significantly increasing the athletic expenses fits that ideal?

Ok. You sold me.

By going FBS, the Dakotas and Montana show their no longer backwater regions that aren't with the times, like the Sacramento region, which cow tows miserably to the Bay Area. The Dakotas are growing for the first time in a century, their incomes have expanded more than other states this century, and they want more entertainment and other amenities that most of the US has.

Many of the majority Minnesotans at the NoDak schools stay in the state because it still has so many good paying jobs. Going FBS will only improve the schools stature.

Sorry, but this is hilarious, the Dakota schools just got out of D2 a few years ago. They are doing well in FCS, but over time in FBS, they would get destroyed.

The NoDaks had entertained DI for 40 years as DII teams. The Big Sky blocked us, other than the Montanas and UNI left us for greener pastures of DI, and none of the other Midcontinent teams wanted us either. It wasn't by choice that we were consigned to DII.

That is incorrect

Happen till about 10 years ago you did not need a conference invite go to Division I

Look at the coders could've chosen to go division one at any time in their existence no school was blocking them


To the coaches had a choice would northern Colorado with division one without a conference invite they could have joined them probably got in Omaha at the same time and maybe one of the Minnesota or South Dakota private schools to go in the north-central could've gone up as a unit and you would've had an automatic bid within two years

Decision not to go to the vision one was purely North Dakota's decision You are lying when you say otherwise

Actually the two XDSU's did join with UNC in the Great West. Along with Poly, Davis, SUU and St. Mary's. St. Mary's dropped FB before the group began play.

As for the NCC moving up. See the above post. The only three schools in the NCC interested were SDSU, NDSU and USD. The rest of the league fought the move which is why SDSU and NDSU chose to go it alone. UND had no intention of moving up. USD only wanted to go if the entire league went. Omaha, Augie and the Minnesota schools were all a solid no vote.

(07-10-2017 10:50 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:28 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 07:25 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:22 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 01:11 AM)NoDak Wrote:  By going FBS, the Dakotas and Montana show their no longer backwater regions that aren't with the times, like the Sacramento region, which cow tows miserably to the Bay Area. The Dakotas are growing for the first time in a century, their incomes have expanded more than other states this century, and they want more entertainment and other amenities that most of the US has.

Many of the majority Minnesotans at the NoDak schools stay in the state because it still has so many good paying jobs. Going FBS will only improve the schools stature.

Sorry, but this is hilarious, the Dakota schools just got out of D2 a few years ago. They are doing well in FCS, but over time in FBS, they would get destroyed.

The NoDaks had entertained DI for 40 years as DII teams. The Big Sky blocked us, other than the Montanas and UNI left us for greener pastures of DI, and none of the other Midcontinent teams wanted us either. It wasn't by choice that we were consigned to DII.

That is incorrect

Happen till about 10 years ago you did not need a conference invite go to Division I

Look at the coders could've chosen to go division one at any time in their existence no school was blocking them


To the coaches had a choice would northern Colorado with division one without a conference invite they could have joined them probably got in Omaha at the same time and maybe one of the Minnesota or South Dakota private schools to go in the north-central could've gone up as a unit and you would've had an automatic bid within two years

Decision not to go to the vision one was purely North Dakota's decision You are lying when you say otherwise

You have no clue what you are talking about and you compensate for it by accusing me of lying.

ND is very conservative economically and SD even more. Moving to DI would have been very expensive without a conference. The Mid-Con at that time wasn't the least bit interested.

Look up archives in ND newspapers as it all there. Specifically in the 70's when the college division split into DII and DIII and when the Big Sky lost Nevada, Boise, and Idaho. The Big Sky wrongly chose weak west coast schools instead of stronger Northern Great Plains ones because they were so entranced by markets, and not competition and academics.

I have far more a clue than you.

The Big Sky did not block the Dakotas from Going DI. That is a lie. When Northern Colorado when DI, they did so without a conference.

When the Big Sky expanded with the California schools, all of the Dakota Schools were DII, with NO hint of any desire to move to Division I.


So your whole posts are based on lies. Please get back to reality.

(07-10-2017 01:36 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:28 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 07:25 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:22 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 01:11 AM)NoDak Wrote:  By going FBS, the Dakotas and Montana show their no longer backwater regions that aren't with the times, like the Sacramento region, which cow tows miserably to the Bay Area. The Dakotas are growing for the first time in a century, their incomes have expanded more than other states this century, and they want more entertainment and other amenities that most of the US has.

Many of the majority Minnesotans at the NoDak schools stay in the state because it still has so many good paying jobs. Going FBS will only improve the schools stature.

Sorry, but this is hilarious, the Dakota schools just got out of D2 a few years ago. They are doing well in FCS, but over time in FBS, they would get destroyed.

The NoDaks had entertained DI for 40 years as DII teams. The Big Sky blocked us, other than the Montanas and UNI left us for greener pastures of DI, and none of the other Midcontinent teams wanted us either. It wasn't by choice that we were consigned to DII.

That is incorrect

Happen till about 10 years ago you did not need a conference invite go to Division I

Look at the coders could've chosen to go division one at any time in their existence no school was blocking them


To the coaches had a choice would northern Colorado with division one without a conference invite they could have joined them probably got in Omaha at the same time and maybe one of the Minnesota or South Dakota private schools to go in the north-central could've gone up as a unit and you would've had an automatic bid within two years

Decision not to go to the vision one was purely North Dakota's decision You are lying when you say otherwise

Actually the two XDSU's did join with UNC in the Great West. Along with Poly, Davis, SUU and St. Mary's. St. Mary's dropped FB before the group began play.

As for the NCC moving up. See the above post. The only three schools in the NCC interested were SDSU, NDSU and USD. The rest of the league fought the move which is why SDSU and NDSU chose to go it alone. UND had no intention of moving up. USD only wanted to go if the entire league went. Omaha, Augie and the Minnesota schools were all a solid no vote.

After the Ralph Engelstad Arena was built, UND had by far the most enticing facilities. But our administration was hesitant about going DI with the REA until the found out if 12,000 seats would sell out every hockey game and would be self-sufficient. Ralph wanted to make it 15,000 seats, but the admin pushed for 8k, so they were very leary. When those sellouts continues for years and had confidence that they would continue, the DI decision was made. Fullerton and Big Sky officials had toured the REA years before we got an acceptance and were blown away by it. NDSU knew that it would fall way behind UND with facilities, so they purposely went before to be ahead in a division prestige battle to get to DI first. UND had just beaten NDSU badly in football for 90's, so NDSU upped the ante. If you ever went to the REA, it screams more than upper crust DI but world class.

I was in Jr High when the local paper talked extensively about going DI with the Big Sky in the 1970's, as the DII and DIII split caused serious consternation about the future. UND looked at the Montanas in DI and wondered why not us. UND even hired Carl Miller as AD, as he was the AD who got the Dakota Dome built at USD, and actually knew him because he went to our church.

(07-10-2017 01:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:50 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:28 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 07:25 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:22 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Sorry, but this is hilarious, the Dakota schools just got out of D2 a few years ago. They are doing well in FCS, but over time in FBS, they would get destroyed.

The NoDaks had entertained DI for 40 years as DII teams. The Big Sky blocked us, other than the Montanas and UNI left us for greener pastures of DI, and none of the other Midcontinent teams wanted us either. It wasn't by choice that we were consigned to DII.

That is incorrect

Happen till about 10 years ago you did not need a conference invite go to Division I

Look at the coders could've chosen to go division one at any time in their existence no school was blocking them


To the coaches had a choice would northern Colorado with division one without a conference invite they could have joined them probably got in Omaha at the same time and maybe one of the Minnesota or South Dakota private schools to go in the north-central could've gone up as a unit and you would've had an automatic bid within two years

Decision not to go to the vision one was purely North Dakota's decision You are lying when you say otherwise

You have no clue what you are talking about and you compensate for it by accusing me of lying.

ND is very conservative economically and SD even more. Moving to DI would have been very expensive without a conference. The Mid-Con at that time wasn't the least bit interested.

Look up archives in ND newspapers as it all there. Specifically in the 70's when the college division split into DII and DIII and when the Big Sky lost Nevada, Boise, and Idaho. The Big Sky wrongly chose weak west coast schools instead of stronger Northern Great Plains ones because they were so entranced by markets, and not competition and academics.

I have far more a clue than you.

The Big Sky did not block the Dakotas from Going DI. That is a lie. When Northern Colorado when DI, they did so without a conference.

When the Big Sky expanded with the California schools, all of the Dakota Schools were DII, with NO hint of any desire to move to Division I.


So your whole posts are based on lies. Please get back to reality.

You've proven your a liar and a fool. You simply have no clue about the Dakotas.

All of the Dakotas moved up without a conference invite. UND moved up with an assurance that the Big Sky would take them when it's transition was over because the Montanas were deadly serious about it. NDSU and SDSU had previously tried to get the Montanas to force them in, but failed. But they lucked out because the Summit kicked out Chicago St and Centenary dropped to DIII, so the then Mid-Con was desperate for members and finally picked them up because there was few other alternatives.

Thanks jacks, for the recap. Guess I was wrong that the talks only happened after UNC moved up, though wouldn't be surprised if informal discussions had been happening well before then. I can't believe UNC just woke up one day and moved DI.

One other thing: DII had become watered down well before UNC moved up, due to football scholarship reductions. And the smaller schools were talking about reducing them further. That was one of the biggest arguments of "pro-move" NDSU fans.

(07-10-2017 02:04 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 01:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:50 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:28 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 07:25 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The NoDaks had entertained DI for 40 years as DII teams. The Big Sky blocked us, other than the Montanas and UNI left us for greener pastures of DI, and none of the other Midcontinent teams wanted us either. It wasn't by choice that we were consigned to DII.

That is incorrect

Happen till about 10 years ago you did not need a conference invite go to Division I

Look at the coders could've chosen to go division one at any time in their existence no school was blocking them


To the coaches had a choice would northern Colorado with division one without a conference invite they could have joined them probably got in Omaha at the same time and maybe one of the Minnesota or South Dakota private schools to go in the north-central could've gone up as a unit and you would've had an automatic bid within two years

Decision not to go to the vision one was purely North Dakota's decision You are lying when you say otherwise

You have no clue what you are talking about and you compensate for it by accusing me of lying.

ND is very conservative economically and SD even more. Moving to DI would have been very expensive without a conference. The Mid-Con at that time wasn't the least bit interested.

Look up archives in ND newspapers as it all there. Specifically in the 70's when the college division split into DII and DIII and when the Big Sky lost Nevada, Boise, and Idaho. The Big Sky wrongly chose weak west coast schools instead of stronger Northern Great Plains ones because they were so entranced by markets, and not competition and academics.

I have far more a clue than you.

The Big Sky did not block the Dakotas from Going DI. That is a lie. When Northern Colorado when DI, they did so without a conference.

When the Big Sky expanded with the California schools, all of the Dakota Schools were DII, with NO hint of any desire to move to Division I.


So your whole posts are based on lies. Please get back to reality.

You've proven your a liar and a fool. You simply have no clue about the Dakotas.

LOL - what have I lied about? I have facts to back me up. You have junior high recollections. I have a timeline that proves me correct.

FACT: The Big Sky did not block anyone from going Division I. A conference doesn't have the power. The NCAA did not require a conference invite for moving up until 2011.

FACT: The Dakotas were content in DII for the 70's, 80's and 90's.

FACT: CSUN, Sac State and Portland State were added in 1996, when the Dakotas were content in Division II, so the Big Sky did not choose the markets over anyone - they picked who they had to select from.

FACT: Northern Colorado led to parade to DI. Big Sky added them in 2006, when UND was still ridiculing the xDSU's for moving to DI, and were content that the only sport they cared about, Hockey, was DI.

(07-10-2017 02:21 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:04 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 01:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:50 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:28 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  That is incorrect

Happen till about 10 years ago you did not need a conference invite go to Division I

Look at the coders could've chosen to go division one at any time in their existence no school was blocking them


To the coaches had a choice would northern Colorado with division one without a conference invite they could have joined them probably got in Omaha at the same time and maybe one of the Minnesota or South Dakota private schools to go in the north-central could've gone up as a unit and you would've had an automatic bid within two years

Decision not to go to the vision one was purely North Dakota's decision You are lying when you say otherwise

You have no clue what you are talking about and you compensate for it by accusing me of lying.

ND is very conservative economically and SD even more. Moving to DI would have been very expensive without a conference. The Mid-Con at that time wasn't the least bit interested.

Look up archives in ND newspapers as it all there. Specifically in the 70's when the college division split into DII and DIII and when the Big Sky lost Nevada, Boise, and Idaho. The Big Sky wrongly chose weak west coast schools instead of stronger Northern Great Plains ones because they were so entranced by markets, and not competition and academics.

I have far more a clue than you.

The Big Sky did not block the Dakotas from Going DI. That is a lie. When Northern Colorado when DI, they did so without a conference.

When the Big Sky expanded with the California schools, all of the Dakota Schools were DII, with NO hint of any desire to move to Division I.


So your whole posts are based on lies. Please get back to reality.

You've proven your a liar and a fool. You simply have no clue about the Dakotas.

LOL - what have I lied about? I have facts to back me up. You have junior high recollections. I have a timeline that proves me correct.

FACT: The Big Sky did not block anyone from going Division I. A conference doesn't have the power. The NCAA did not require a conference invite for moving up until 2011.

FACT: The Dakotas were content in DII for the 70's, 80's and 90's.

FACT: CSUN, Sac State and Portland State were added in 1996, when the Dakotas were content in Division II, so the Big Sky did not choose the markets over anyone - they picked who they had to select from.

FACT: Northern Colorado led to parade to DI. Big Sky added them in 2006, when UND was still ridiculing the xDSU's for moving to DI, and were content that the only sport they cared about, Hockey, was DI.

You confidently ignore the historical record when it doesn't state what you want. NDSU and UND in the 90s were not going to declare interest in DI publicly unless they had a conference invite nailed down.

You're a liar and a fool. Case closed.

dback, I will say one thing for better or worse.

Where NDSU moved up, the fan base was hoping or assuming that the Big Sky was to be the new home. When that got shot down, the GWFC was born. And it worked out just fine for NDSU, as far as I'm concerned.

(07-10-2017 02:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:21 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:04 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 01:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:50 AM)NoDak Wrote:  You have no clue what you are talking about and you compensate for it by accusing me of lying.

ND is very conservative economically and SD even more. Moving to DI would have been very expensive without a conference. The Mid-Con at that time wasn't the least bit interested.

Look up archives in ND newspapers as it all there. Specifically in the 70's when the college division split into DII and DIII and when the Big Sky lost Nevada, Boise, and Idaho. The Big Sky wrongly chose weak west coast schools instead of stronger Northern Great Plains ones because they were so entranced by markets, and not competition and academics.

I have far more a clue than you.

The Big Sky did not block the Dakotas from Going DI. That is a lie. When Northern Colorado when DI, they did so without a conference.

When the Big Sky expanded with the California schools, all of the Dakota Schools were DII, with NO hint of any desire to move to Division I.


So your whole posts are based on lies. Please get back to reality.

You've proven your a liar and a fool. You simply have no clue about the Dakotas.

LOL - what have I lied about? I have facts to back me up. You have junior high recollections. I have a timeline that proves me correct.

FACT: The Big Sky did not block anyone from going Division I. A conference doesn't have the power. The NCAA did not require a conference invite for moving up until 2011.

FACT: The Dakotas were content in DII for the 70's, 80's and 90's.

FACT: CSUN, Sac State and Portland State were added in 1996, when the Dakotas were content in Division II, so the Big Sky did not choose the markets over anyone - they picked who they had to select from.

FACT: Northern Colorado led to parade to DI. Big Sky added them in 2006, when UND was still ridiculing the xDSU's for moving to DI, and were content that the only sport they cared about, Hockey, was DI.

You confidently ignore the historical record when it doesn't state what you want. NDSU and UND in the 90s were not going to declare interest in DI publicly unless they had a conference invite nailed down.

You're a liar and a fool. Case closed.

In your mind.
Facts prove otherwise.

Now go back to your FBS WAC-OFF Fantasies - that happened last year, and UND is going FBS in the WAC next year, so enjoy.

(07-10-2017 02:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:21 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:04 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 01:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  I have far more a clue than you.

The Big Sky did not block the Dakotas from Going DI. That is a lie. When Northern Colorado when DI, they did so without a conference.

When the Big Sky expanded with the California schools, all of the Dakota Schools were DII, with NO hint of any desire to move to Division I.


So your whole posts are based on lies. Please get back to reality.

You've proven your a liar and a fool. You simply have no clue about the Dakotas.

LOL - what have I lied about? I have facts to back me up. You have junior high recollections. I have a timeline that proves me correct.

FACT: The Big Sky did not block anyone from going Division I. A conference doesn't have the power. The NCAA did not require a conference invite for moving up until 2011.

FACT: The Dakotas were content in DII for the 70's, 80's and 90's.

FACT: CSUN, Sac State and Portland State were added in 1996, when the Dakotas were content in Division II, so the Big Sky did not choose the markets over anyone - they picked who they had to select from.

FACT: Northern Colorado led to parade to DI. Big Sky added them in 2006, when UND was still ridiculing the xDSU's for moving to DI, and were content that the only sport they cared about, Hockey, was DI.

You confidently ignore the historical record when it doesn't state what you want. NDSU and UND in the 90s were not going to declare interest in DI publicly unless they had a conference invite nailed down.

You're a liar and a fool. Case closed.

In your mind.
Facts prove otherwise.

Now go back to your FBS WAC-OFF Fantasies - that happened last year, and UND is going FBS in the WAC next year, so enjoy.

When the Montanas, Idaho and EWU declare for the Summit, somebody needs to check in with you as a breakdown is coming.

(07-10-2017 02:30 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:21 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:04 PM)NoDak Wrote:  You've proven your a liar and a fool. You simply have no clue about the Dakotas.

LOL - what have I lied about? I have facts to back me up. You have junior high recollections. I have a timeline that proves me correct.

FACT: The Big Sky did not block anyone from going Division I. A conference doesn't have the power. The NCAA did not require a conference invite for moving up until 2011.

FACT: The Dakotas were content in DII for the 70's, 80's and 90's.

FACT: CSUN, Sac State and Portland State were added in 1996, when the Dakotas were content in Division II, so the Big Sky did not choose the markets over anyone - they picked who they had to select from.

FACT: Northern Colorado led to parade to DI. Big Sky added them in 2006, when UND was still ridiculing the xDSU's for moving to DI, and were content that the only sport they cared about, Hockey, was DI.

You confidently ignore the historical record when it doesn't state what you want. NDSU and UND in the 90s were not going to declare interest in DI publicly unless they had a conference invite nailed down.

You're a liar and a fool. Case closed.

In your mind.
Facts prove otherwise.

Now go back to your FBS WAC-OFF Fantasies - that happened last year, and UND is going FBS in the WAC next year, so enjoy.

When the Montanas, Idaho and EWU declare for the Summit, somebody needs to check in with you as a breakdown is coming.

You will be waiting a looooooooooong time.


And if it happens, life moves on. There is no compelling reason or means to do so. If the NCAA allowed a conference to get an autobid easily, I might be a little more concerned, but the Summit still has trips to Fort Wayne, Macomb, Tulsa, etc.

And guess what, Montana likes their Arizona trips. And their California trips. Not a lot of attractiveness to go to the Dakotas in winter a couple times a year.

(07-10-2017 02:45 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:30 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:21 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  LOL - what have I lied about? I have facts to back me up. You have junior high recollections. I have a timeline that proves me correct.

FACT: The Big Sky did not block anyone from going Division I. A conference doesn't have the power. The NCAA did not require a conference invite for moving up until 2011.

FACT: The Dakotas were content in DII for the 70's, 80's and 90's.

FACT: CSUN, Sac State and Portland State were added in 1996, when the Dakotas were content in Division II, so the Big Sky did not choose the markets over anyone - they picked who they had to select from.

FACT: Northern Colorado led to parade to DI. Big Sky added them in 2006, when UND was still ridiculing the xDSU's for moving to DI, and were content that the only sport they cared about, Hockey, was DI.

You confidently ignore the historical record when it doesn't state what you want. NDSU and UND in the 90s were not going to declare interest in DI publicly unless they had a conference invite nailed down.

You're a liar and a fool. Case closed.

In your mind.
Facts prove otherwise.

Now go back to your FBS WAC-OFF Fantasies - that happened last year, and UND is going FBS in the WAC next year, so enjoy.

When the Montanas, Idaho and EWU declare for the Summit, somebody needs to check in with you as a breakdown is coming.

You will be waiting a looooooooooong time.


And if it happens, life moves on. There is no compelling reason or means to do so. If the NCAA allowed a conference to get an autobid easily, I might be a little more concerned, but the Summit still has trips to Fort Wayne, Macomb, Tulsa, etc.

And guess what, Montana likes their Arizona trips. And their California trips. Not a lot of attractiveness to go to the Dakotas in winter a couple times a year.

Somehow you just can't come to grips with the fact that the Montanas really really wanted UND and even USD for academic, research and athletic reasons and have for generations. Now it even more important because the thrust of economic growth in the two states centers on the Bakken, which has deep pocketed sports advertisers. But that just zooms over your noggin. A presence in Billings and Bismarck and even Sidney and Williston are much more important than ever. Being in the same conference will make that region rock for college football.

A formerly little bank based in the formerly tiny town of Watford City, which is now the center of the Bakken drilling, is expanding all over the state and Mn and AZ because it has money that needs to be lended out from oil royalty depositors. They have just become a prime sponsor of UND athletics. How is that Possible? Does Montana and Montana St not want a piece of the action from their side of the border?

Used to hear my dad talk with the UND AD about it but you just flatly ignore what I heard from my own ears.

(07-10-2017 02:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:45 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:30 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  You confidently ignore the historical record when it doesn't state what you want. NDSU and UND in the 90s were not going to declare interest in DI publicly unless they had a conference invite nailed down.

You're a liar and a fool. Case closed.

In your mind.
Facts prove otherwise.

Now go back to your FBS WAC-OFF Fantasies - that happened last year, and UND is going FBS in the WAC next year, so enjoy.

When the Montanas, Idaho and EWU declare for the Summit, somebody needs to check in with you as a breakdown is coming.

You will be waiting a looooooooooong time.


And if it happens, life moves on. There is no compelling reason or means to do so. If the NCAA allowed a conference to get an autobid easily, I might be a little more concerned, but the Summit still has trips to Fort Wayne, Macomb, Tulsa, etc.

And guess what, Montana likes their Arizona trips. And their California trips. Not a lot of attractiveness to go to the Dakotas in winter a couple times a year.

Somehow you just can't come to grips with the fact that the Montanas really really wanted UND and even USD for academic, research and athletic reasons and have for generations. Now it even more important because the thrust of economic growth in the two states centers on the Bakken, which has deep pocketed sports advertisers. But that just zooms over your noggin. A presence in Billings and Bismarck and even Sidney and Williston are much more important than ever. Being in the same conference will make that region rock for college football.

Used to hear my dad talk with the UND AD about it but you just flatly ignore what I heard from my own ears.

Again, even if the Montanas wanted the Dakotas (and I have never heard that from anyone in the Montanas, the Dakotas had no desire to join them until recently. And UND did, but only because they were blocked by TSL because the of the nickname issue. USD bailed on the BSC because they preferred TSL.

Even your own school bailed on the Montanas and Idaho. Guess UND doesn't really care that much about them.

A school is not going to join a conference based on a boom or bust resource.

(07-10-2017 03:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:45 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:30 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  In your mind.
Facts prove otherwise.

Now go back to your FBS WAC-OFF Fantasies - that happened last year, and UND is going FBS in the WAC next year, so enjoy.

When the Montanas, Idaho and EWU declare for the Summit, somebody needs to check in with you as a breakdown is coming.

You will be waiting a looooooooooong time.


And if it happens, life moves on. There is no compelling reason or means to do so. If the NCAA allowed a conference to get an autobid easily, I might be a little more concerned, but the Summit still has trips to Fort Wayne, Macomb, Tulsa, etc.

And guess what, Montana likes their Arizona trips. And their California trips. Not a lot of attractiveness to go to the Dakotas in winter a couple times a year.

Somehow you just can't come to grips with the fact that the Montanas really really wanted UND and even USD for academic, research and athletic reasons and have for generations. Now it even more important because the thrust of economic growth in the two states centers on the Bakken, which has deep pocketed sports advertisers. But that just zooms over your noggin. A presence in Billings and Bismarck and even Sidney and Williston are much more important than ever. Being in the same conference will make that region rock for college football.

Used to hear my dad talk with the UND AD about it but you just flatly ignore what I heard from my own ears.

Again, even if the Montanas wanted the Dakotas (and I have never heard that from anyone in the Montanas, the Dakotas had no desire to join them until recently. And UND did, but only because they were blocked by TSL because the of the nickname issue. USD bailed on the BSC because they preferred TSL.

Even your own school bailed on the Montanas and Idaho. Guess UND doesn't really care that much about them.

A school is not going to join a conference based on a boom or bust resource.

As said previously, the UND move was just a planned migration of the Montanas and Idaho to the Summit. We smooth the way for them as the Montanas certainly don't want to lose contact.

The Bakken is producing more nat gas than ever with each passing year. The nat gas needs processing, and the processed gases include ethane, propane, butane etc, which are the building blocks for the chemical industry. No use talking economics with you, but Alberta's chemical industry closely followed behind the nat gas processing.

Alberta and Saskatchewan, even more remote than N Dakota, became relative manufacturing giants in Canada because of resources.

Montana's people have a joking relationship about us because many of them could hack N Dakota and moved west over generations. But their Presidents are bright enough to know where the money is.

(07-10-2017 03:21 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 03:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:45 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 02:30 PM)NoDak Wrote:  When the Montanas, Idaho and EWU declare for the Summit, somebody needs to check in with you as a breakdown is coming.

You will be waiting a looooooooooong time.


And if it happens, life moves on. There is no compelling reason or means to do so. If the NCAA allowed a conference to get an autobid easily, I might be a little more concerned, but the Summit still has trips to Fort Wayne, Macomb, Tulsa, etc.

And guess what, Montana likes their Arizona trips. And their California trips. Not a lot of attractiveness to go to the Dakotas in winter a couple times a year.

Somehow you just can't come to grips with the fact that the Montanas really really wanted UND and even USD for academic, research and athletic reasons and have for generations. Now it even more important because the thrust of economic growth in the two states centers on the Bakken, which has deep pocketed sports advertisers. But that just zooms over your noggin. A presence in Billings and Bismarck and even Sidney and Williston are much more important than ever. Being in the same conference will make that region rock for college football.

Used to hear my dad talk with the UND AD about it but you just flatly ignore what I heard from my own ears.

Again, even if the Montanas wanted the Dakotas (and I have never heard that from anyone in the Montanas, the Dakotas had no desire to join them until recently. And UND did, but only because they were blocked by TSL because the of the nickname issue. USD bailed on the BSC because they preferred TSL.

Even your own school bailed on the Montanas and Idaho. Guess UND doesn't really care that much about them.

A school is not going to join a conference based on a boom or bust resource.

The Bakken is producing more nat gas than ever with each passing year. The nat gas needs processing, and the processed gases include ethane, propane, butane etc, which are the building blocks for the chemical industry. No use talking economics with you, but Alberta's chemical industry closely followed behind the nat gas processing.

Alberta and Saskatchewan, even more remote than N Dakota, became manufacturing giants in Canada.

So the Big Sky will add Univ of Calgary.

Missoula to Fargo - 14 1/2 hours

Missoula to Calgary - 6 hours
Missoula to Edmonton - 9 1/2 hours
Missoula to Regina - 9 hours
Missoula to Saskatoon - 12 hours

NoDak, if UND and NDSU were in Williston and Dickinson, your dream might have already came true decades ago.

The Dakota schools are on the wrong sides of the states.

(07-10-2017 02:04 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 01:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:50 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:28 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 07:25 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The NoDaks had entertained DI for 40 years as DII teams. The Big Sky blocked us, other than the Montanas and UNI left us for greener pastures of DI, and none of the other Midcontinent teams wanted us either. It wasn't by choice that we were consigned to DII.

That is incorrect

Happen till about 10 years ago you did not need a conference invite go to Division I

Look at the coders could've chosen to go division one at any time in their existence no school was blocking them


To the coaches had a choice would northern Colorado with division one without a conference invite they could have joined them probably got in Omaha at the same time and maybe one of the Minnesota or South Dakota private schools to go in the north-central could've gone up as a unit and you would've had an automatic bid within two years

Decision not to go to the vision one was purely North Dakota's decision You are lying when you say otherwise

You have no clue what you are talking about and you compensate for it by accusing me of lying.

ND is very conservative economically and SD even more. Moving to DI would have been very expensive without a conference. The Mid-Con at that time wasn't the least bit interested.

Look up archives in ND newspapers as it all there. Specifically in the 70's when the college division split into DII and DIII and when the Big Sky lost Nevada, Boise, and Idaho. The Big Sky wrongly chose weak west coast schools instead of stronger Northern Great Plains ones because they were so entranced by markets, and not competition and academics.

I have far more a clue than you.

The Big Sky did not block the Dakotas from Going DI. That is a lie. When Northern Colorado when DI, they did so without a conference.

When the Big Sky expanded with the California schools, all of the Dakota Schools were DII, with NO hint of any desire to move to Division I.


So your whole posts are based on lies. Please get back to reality.

You've proven your a liar and a fool. You simply have no clue about the Dakotas.

All of the Dakotas moved up without a conference invite. UND moved up with an assurance that the Big Sky would take them when it's transition was over because the Montanas were deadly serious about it. NDSU and SDSU had previously tried to get the Montanas to force them in, but failed. But they lucked out because the Summit kicked out Chicago St and Centenary dropped to DIII, so the then Mid-Con was desperate for members and finally picked them up because there was few other alternatives.

Centenary was in the Summit when we joined. Did the Mid Con need members? Yes. And we were more then happy to get in and eventually, take the league over.

Let's face it. UND and USD followed SDSU and NDSU. We even created a league you could play in, though we only created it for FB (Great West). UND and USD were talking to the Summit and hoping for an MVFC invite. USD got their invite, UND did not.

The Big Sky did not promise UND anything. Fullerton used UND and USD to try and lure SDSU, and his big prize NDSU to the BSC. Had he been able to grab all four Dakota schools he could have built his super conference. In Fullerton's last interview before retirement he stated that his biggest failure as commissioner was not getting NDSU into the league. Why? Had he gotten NDSU the three other Dakota schools would have followed.

(07-10-2017 03:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  NoDak, if UND and NDSU were in Williston and Dickinson, your dream might have already came true decades ago.

The Dakota schools are on the wrong sides of the states.

This is not my dream, but a collective dream of generations of AD's and Presidents at the four Montana and NoDak flagships. When is that going to sink in skulls here?

(07-10-2017 02:00 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 01:36 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:28 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 07:25 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 05:22 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Sorry, but this is hilarious, the Dakota schools just got out of D2 a few years ago. They are doing well in FCS, but over time in FBS, they would get destroyed.

The NoDaks had entertained DI for 40 years as DII teams. The Big Sky blocked us, other than the Montanas and UNI left us for greener pastures of DI, and none of the other Midcontinent teams wanted us either. It wasn't by choice that we were consigned to DII.

That is incorrect

Happen till about 10 years ago you did not need a conference invite go to Division I

Look at the coders could've chosen to go division one at any time in their existence no school was blocking them


To the coaches had a choice would northern Colorado with division one without a conference invite they could have joined them probably got in Omaha at the same time and maybe one of the Minnesota or South Dakota private schools to go in the north-central could've gone up as a unit and you would've had an automatic bid within two years

Decision not to go to the vision one was purely North Dakota's decision You are lying when you say otherwise

Actually the two XDSU's did join with UNC in the Great West. Along with Poly, Davis, SUU and St. Mary's. St. Mary's dropped FB before the group began play.

As for the NCC moving up. See the above post. The only three schools in the NCC interested were SDSU, NDSU and USD. The rest of the league fought the move which is why SDSU and NDSU chose to go it alone. UND had no intention of moving up. USD only wanted to go if the entire league went. Omaha, Augie and the Minnesota schools were all a solid no vote.

After the Ralph Engelstad Arena was built, UND had by far the most enticing facilities. But our administration was hesitant about going DI with the REA until the found out if 12,000 seats would sell out every hockey game and would be self-sufficient. Ralph wanted to make it 15,000 seats, but the admin pushed for 8k, so they were very leary. When those sellouts continues for years and had confidence that they would continue, the DI decision was made. Fullerton and Big Sky officials had toured the REA years before we got an acceptance and were blown away by it. NDSU knew that it would fall way behind UND with facilities, so they purposely went before to be ahead in a division prestige battle to get to DI first. UND had just beaten NDSU badly in football for 90's, so NDSU upped the ante. If you ever went to the REA, it screams more than upper crust DI but world class.

I was in Jr High when the local paper talked extensively about going DI with the Big Sky in the 1970's, as the DII and DIII split caused serious consternation about the future. UND looked at the Montanas in DI and wondered why not us. UND even hired Carl Miller as AD, as he was the AD who got the Dakota Dome built at USD, and actually knew him because he went to our church.

A hockey facility means nothing to a league that does not sponsor hockey (BSC, Summit, MVFC, WAC, etc.) The reality is UND has below average facilities for all major sports outside of hockey. The Alerus is a city owned barn/convention center and your BB arena is tiny and a mess.

Oh, the Dakota Dome is also a mess. The facility should have never been built. USD are going to have to spend a fortune remodeling it because it was built on the cheap.

(07-10-2017 04:32 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 03:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  NoDak, if UND and NDSU were in Williston and Dickinson, your dream might have already came true decades ago.

The Dakota schools are on the wrong sides of the states.

This is not my dream, but a collective dream of generations of AD's and Presidents at the four Montana and NoDak flagships. When is that going to sink in skulls here?

No, it is in your dream only.