(06-20-2017 07:50 PM)RocketJeff Wrote: (06-17-2017 06:12 AM)eastisbest Wrote: - I stated my opinion Toledo would benefit more if the salaries were in the $40,000 range, didn't see a reason to repeat what the article clearly stated, salaries averaging in the $90k. At the higher level, I feel that few of those people will choose to live in the city.
I don't think it benefits the city to economically deprive people to the point that they have no choice but to live in Toledo. It would be better to make Toledo the type of city that people who earn higher salaries want to live in.
It would be even better if people who earn a higher level of income would want to live here as it is but neither of those conjectures has anything to do with the balance of benefit versus intrusion this plant would provide, I'm not sure why you make that point? In that neighborhood, $40,000 is living pretty high. With that low an employment, not even colateral services are likely to locate there as would be seen if the land was used to bring in a higher employment, even at half the salary. Once the plant is in, if it will not ever be a place that will improve employment in that neighborhood or any neighborhood of Toledo, is it useful? That was my only point.
This is the only HBI plant I've found, that would be situated in an urban environment. Similar plants situated further from housing have caused noise and dust pollutions in those communities, I'd expect the problems to be considerably more damaging in this one.
The people in that neighborhood and across the river will be the ones paying for the increased health, house and auto maintenance due to the plant dust, noise and light not to mention the more frequent round the clock train noise. Too much for our politicians to consider they should find SOME benefit before making deals for such a project.
Great tech, great get, perhaps unfortunately, the wrong place. Great project maybe for the Northland Steel area. The pellets will still be coming into the docks and that's new business too.
(06-20-2017 07:50 PM)RocketJeff Wrote: (06-17-2017 06:12 AM)eastisbest Wrote: Old Housing Stock: which areas are you thinking? The attraction to anything surrounding downtown seems to be renovation, not replacement.
Some neighborhoods are historic and should be maintained as is. Old West End, Westmoreland etc. add character to the city as do other enclaves. A demographic analysis should be done across the city and neighborhoods with the most negative metrics targeted for demolition and restructured for new development. Start with a blank slate. The expressway might currently transect a residential neighborhood. Maybe it would be better for comercial/industrial zones to edge the freeway with residential further in. Just spitballing a little. .
Sure. You were talking about downtown so I didn't make the connection. I can't think of any old housing left in the downtown area along the highway corridors that would bring enough land for commercial/industrial/entertainment. I think I'd prefer White collar anyhow . There's an area near the Anderson's. Any attempt to take that small neighborhood would probably be as successful as the attempt to clear near the Jeep plant. Likely Metroparks will do another landgrab to connect the new park near the high level to the park proposed along the river on the other side of 280.
(06-20-2017 07:50 PM)RocketJeff Wrote: Quote:There will be new housing in the "marina district," next to prometrocal park but it looks condo or townhouse,...Too bad they put that monstrosity of a design in for the Casino.
The reason the Marina district hasn't been developed is because the surrounding neighborhood is full of broke people with no disposable income. Maybe there's about to be some people with money willing to locate there. One thing I'd like to see is a marina store be located on the river right at the base of the M L K bridge. That way boats could fuel up after coming into downtown to catch a ball game, eat at a restaurant, visit the Great Lakes Museum, etc. The only way it works though is to have a gas station on the other side accessible from Cherry/Main Street. BTW Rossford has some nice projects being developed around the casino. That wouldn't have been my choice for its location but that ship has sailed. I do think they should install docks so boaters could sail up.
I think your Marina store would be a good fit by the old Coast Guard on the northend near the Cherry St. but I don't see it ever getting sustainable business in the short Summer. I've been in the museum. I honestly have no idea why anyone goes there. As above, the powers were informed chances of successful marina there were small. Lost Pennisula had just invested in added docking and it was much closer to the ultimate goal, the lake. Then they got the great idea to build pollution ponds and bigger ramps at Cullen. There was no need or demand for a marina to replace Harrison but they were determined to build their vision, without any support that there was actual need. The place looks empty and dilapidated already.
Casino: goes to my comment about it being ugly. Made NO use of the fact that it was river front, I have to believe that was intentional but can't fathom. Those that built it seemed to want it completely isolated so there was no entertainment competition as opposed to part of a bigger synergy. I don't think there will be any competition for those dollars in that development. Hotels?
The whole point of the Marina District was to put JOBS there so it wouldn't be surrounded by broke people. There were quite a few competing interests (not the Chinese) who wanted no part of that. They had this grand view of riverfront condos. Who would live there, with no jobs. As with the marina, they weren't listening. The public meetings were jokes. Now PromediParks is about to make the same mistake. The park will be a dump, within ten years.