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RE: Va Colleges Spending on Football & Basketball
Okay, some good news: We spend more on basketball than Radford and Longwood and they have no football team. And...and...JMU has yet to double our basketball budget. We're fending them off!

I just don't have the time but I would LOVE for one of you to post the following information:

1) Who are the main people responsible for this embarrassment?

2) Their contact information.

3) Their salaries.
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06-11-2017 10:32 PM
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Liberty is a very poor academic school and within academia is considered somewhat of a joke. Unlike other religious-oriented institutions it is rigidly controlled, has a very narrow band of students applying
and it's ultra-religious stance makes it almost impossible to attract faculty representing a polyglot of beliefs and teachings.

It advertises like crazy in Virginia newspapers, even publishing a monthly magazine in them and is spending millions of Fallwell's money to make a big-time athletic impact. Even in athletics it continues to have trouble attracting a broad mix of athletes like other colleges due to its rigid dogma.
06-12-2017 05:31 AM
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(06-12-2017 05:31 AM)BigTribe3 Wrote:  Liberty is a very poor academic school and within academia is considered somewhat of a joke. Unlike other religious-oriented institutions it is rigidly controlled, has a very narrow band of students applying
and it's ultra-religious stance makes it almost impossible to attract faculty representing a polyglot of beliefs and teachings.

It advertises like crazy in Virginia newspapers, even publishing a monthly magazine in them and is spending millions of Fallwell's money to make a big-time athletic impact. Even in athletics it continues to have trouble attracting a broad mix of athletes like other colleges due to its rigid dogma.

A joke you say, as they pass us by as they are doing with so many. "Academia" considers anyone right of Elizabeth Warren a joke. "Academia" seems to me Is becoming ntolerant indoctrination, not Liberty.

That said, the bbl numbers for W&M are the joke. Unless someone is getting bonused on ROI, someone should have their face rubbed in this article.
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(06-11-2017 05:09 PM)Pete24 Wrote:  What is most significant to me on this list is Liberty University. They are 3rd in the state in football spending and 4th in basketball.
If you have followed Liberty over the years, this is amazing.
Ten years ago, Liberty University was deeply in debt, with no endowment.
Then, two things happened. First, in 2007, Jerry Falwell, Sr died -- and left the payout from his $34 life million insurance policy to the college.
The second thing that has happened is that Liberty's online college grew exponentially. They now have over 100,000 online students (4th largest online college in the U.S.), in addition to 12,000 on campus. And this online cash seems to be fueling their investment in athletics.
Every athletic team's facility has undergone a transformation since 2011 and they are all expandable. On a side note, Liberty athletics was in the news recently for agreeing to pay ODU an absurd $1.3 million appearance fee to come play them in Lynchburg in 2018.
Looking at the big picture, I am of the opinion that Liberty University's emphasis of their online college hurts their academic reputation and de-values a degree from Liberty.

Wow ODU vs Liberty, I really don't know who I want to lose that game more...
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This seems to be the strongest evidence yet (and there's been a LONG string of evidence) that we are funding way too many sports and it's hurting the college as a whole.
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I tend to agree with you Tribe2011. I also think we're in some of the wrong sports too. I hear all of this jargon about "history", etc, but some of our teams are horrible. I suggest that Huge takes a step back and asks a simple question: "What sports should we compete in given the demographics of where our students come from?". You will find right away that lacrosse makes the list, but men's gymnastics doesn't. Golf? Tennis? People will go nuts, but Track?
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(06-12-2017 10:54 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  This seems to be the strongest evidence yet (and there's been a LONG string of evidence) that we are funding way too many sports and it's hurting the college as a whole.

Either they have to make a bigger pie or not cut the pie into as many slices.
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If you're interested in drilling down a bit, check out the latest APA report for our athletic program and JMU's.
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(06-11-2017 02:34 PM)Got Ribe Wrote:  
(06-11-2017 02:14 PM)Mrs. Got Ribe Wrote:  I think I'll let Mr GR handle that one. Have at it...

Oh thanks. 03-banghead

The policy, as it was explained to us, will be to apply some portion of the funds previously spent on scholarships back to the basketball program. It definitely won't be all of the money. My sense is that all sports will benefit from the savings, and that basketball has reason to hope that it will benefit more than most.

There's nothing nefarious here, and these are good people making tough decisions, but if you tried to take a gift which was supposed to be about basketball and turn it into something else entirely, this is exactly what you would do.

Serenity now.

I feel as though it needs to be said that if you can't see the fact that investing in a basketball program will give you a greater ROI than other sports then you are bad at your job and perhaps the "sports business" field isn't for you.

I don't even care that it's not nefarious and that these are good people (which they are). You cannot be this inept and expect to hold on to your position. What is the possible rationale for (essentially) diverting basketball funds?
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(06-12-2017 03:06 PM)Got Ribe Wrote:  If you're interested in drilling down a bit, check out the latest APA report for our athletic program and JMU's.

MY HEAD IS GOING TO EXPLODE.

I have only had about 120 seconds to look at this. I will study it further tonight. This is what jumped out at me on first look:

1. Basketball gets $0 student fee money.
2. Football operates at a 1.3 million dollar deficit. Basketball's deficit last year? $1,750.

That's a 20% deficit versus a .09% deficit--if my quick math is correct. If basketball wants to spend money on something, like summer school or the international trip, they either have to raise it from private funds or secure another road game with a big payday.
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