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Va Colleges Spending on Football & Basketball
Very interesting piece in this morning's Richmond Times, listing the annual spending of Virginia's Division 1 colleges in Football & Basketball in 2016 (latest data available). No surprise to see VT at top of list in football ($31.1 million) and basketball ($9.4 million).

Interested to hear some interpretations & opinions from other folks in the Tribe community.

Here's the link to the article ...
http://www.richmond.com/sports/football-...56bed.html
06-11-2017 08:08 AM
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Our basketball spending is embarrassing, much lower than I expected.
06-11-2017 08:26 AM
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I've got plenty to say...I just need to figure out how to say it politely.

And we wonder why we can't find a recruit in today's college-sports atmosphere. God forbid what happens when we have to go looking for a head coach.
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06-11-2017 09:09 AM
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They are not good numbers. The percentages tell a big story. I agree with Mrs GR. we better hope Tony doesn't retire...anytime soon.
06-11-2017 09:50 AM
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"we better hope Tony doesn't retire...anytime soon."

I have felt this way since the end of the 2008 season.
06-11-2017 11:27 AM
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Wow! Just Wow! Football spending seems on the low end of acceptable although it could use a bump up, but basketball...

I knew we were behind in MBB, but I didn't realize by quite how much. Do we report something differently that causes us to be so low, or is this reporting on an equal footing with the other schools shown?

Is WBB at a similar disadvantage?

I knew Tony was doing more with less, but this is ridiculous...
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06-11-2017 11:29 AM
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wow

edit: not a good wow either
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06-11-2017 11:32 AM
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(06-11-2017 09:09 AM)Mrs. Got Ribe Wrote:  I've got plenty to say...I just need to figure out how to say it politely.

And we wonder why we can't find a recruit in today's college-sports atmosphere. God forbid what happens when we have to go looking for a head coach.

Yeah, you're right. Basically, three things are going on here:
  • We're trying to run a giant athletic program on a shoestring. To me, admin seems to take a perverse pride in "doing more with less."
  • Football just knows how to work the system better than basketball, and that's a knock on Tony. I ran some numbers about six months ago and found that the share of our budget devoted to football keeps increasing. And as a percentage of the budget, it's usually greater here than at places like JMU and Delaware.
  • Admin is stubbornly and extremely risk averse. Little thought is given to basketball expenses being a form of investment. And when a major, major gift is proposed for basketball, it is steered toward scholarships instead of, say, a practice facility. (Don't worry, "a lot" of the money saved on the scholarships will come back to basketball.)

Mrs. R knows that I've learned to take a Costanzian "serenity now" approach toward all this. Because when you care more than the powers that be, it'll drive you nuts.
06-11-2017 12:29 PM
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I agree that it seems that Shaver is not as adept at working the system as others might be. However, by all I've seen and heard he's a good man and good coach and getting the best results he can get given the constrains under which he is (or allowing himself to be) working under.

The program can't be successful in the CAA with these numbers. I am totally confused as to how to get out of this box. The "Competitive" report, or whatever it was called, seemed to suggest that each program would be asked to compete for funds, etc. Fine - except I don't know how that happens.

One could argue that MBB is the only sport in which W&M competes that is not supported by the College. Football is on the low side of its competition but certainly in the ballpark. The Olympic sports don't get much money but neither does their competition. My guess is that our MBB spending is at Patriot League level at best.

I am reluctant to consider dropping all athletic support for W&M. However, if they continue to underfund the sport about which I am most passionate, fail to provide an opportunity to grow that sport and ask it compete at a higher level than it is funded, then W&M's athletic vision is different than mine.
06-11-2017 12:51 PM
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Analyzing these numbers a small bit, if I'm correct we are 9 out of 14 in mbb expenditures. What is disturbing is that we could raise our spending by 72% and still be 9 out of 14. I wouldn't be so disheartened if we were a close 9th, as I am we're a distant 9th.

We're 7th out of 10 in fb. By contrast, if we raised our fb spending by 72% we'd go from 7th to 3rd behind VT and UVA.

Our MBB budget should be close to those of JMU, ODU and GMU (the next 3 state schools ahead of us who are clustered tightly together), not 55.9% of their average mbb budget.
06-11-2017 01:40 PM
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