(06-14-2017 01:30 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:11 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:07 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 12:28 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 12:17 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  I guess the supporting stats would be:
1) Thad Matta, Todd Lickliter, Brad Stevens, Chris Holtman
2) The amount of basketball talent that Indiana high schools produce.

1 - did any of those coaches choose butler over wsu?
2 - Kansas produces a ton of basketball talent as well as evidenced by one of the best programs in the history of college bball being in the state. WSU gets its fair share of talent as well -- based on its recent run.

So basically you should have just said "I have no evidence for this silly statistic I just made up based on my own personal feelings"

You're seriously gonna imply that the amount of talent the state of Kansas produces is even comparable to the state of Indiana? That alone kinda kills your credibility.

Are you gonna imply that it matters?

It's not 1960 any more.

Yes I am implying it matters. Much easier to recruit when there is a deep pool of HS talent within a 3 hr radius that you can hop in your car and go see any night of the week.

Marshall has access to a private jet at will for recruiting trips. His 3 hour radius is really large and includes Indiana.

(06-15-2017 07:33 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:30 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:11 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:07 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 12:28 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  1 - did any of those coaches choose butler over wsu?
2 - Kansas produces a ton of basketball talent as well as evidenced by one of the best programs in the history of college bball being in the state. WSU gets its fair share of talent as well -- based on its recent run.

So basically you should have just said "I have no evidence for this silly statistic I just made up based on my own personal feelings"

You're seriously gonna imply that the amount of talent the state of Kansas produces is even comparable to the state of Indiana? That alone kinda kills your credibility.

Are you gonna imply that it matters?

It's not 1960 any more.

Yes I am implying it matters. Much easier to recruit when there is a deep pool of HS talent within a 3 hr radius that you can hop in your car and go see any night of the week.

Marshall has access to a private jet at will for recruiting trips. His 3 hour radius is really large and includes Indiana.

You guys make me laugh. You're not gonna convince me that Wichita State is a destination job.

K won his first title in year 10 at Duke...Here's to hoping Marshall gets one soon.

(06-14-2017 09:33 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 06:02 PM)SHOCK_value Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 09:35 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  They got the coach from Butler and Butler is better than WSU

Via which empirical data exactly?

A quick look at MBB revenues/expenses shows Butler trailing WSU substantially ($4.8M versus $8.7M).

Total weeks spent in the AP poll top 25 or top 10? Nope and LOLNotEvenFreakingClose nope, respectively.

Head coach salary? Top ten at $3.5M versus also-ran $1.0M.

Home court attendance? WSU actually averages over-capacity at 10800, and Butler struggles to sell out at 8200.

I guess I'm all ears.

In a vacuum, meaning if WSU and Butler were the ONLY two jobs in America, then your data would support WSU as the better job.

BUT we don't live in a vacuum, and I'm pretty sure approximately 95% of prospective coaches would rather have the Butler job. Location, recruiting, conference, coach history. Butler is Butler. I think in a lot of people's eyes nationally, Gregg Marshall is Wichita State.

(06-15-2017 08:01 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 07:33 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:30 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:11 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:07 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  You're seriously gonna imply that the amount of talent the state of Kansas produces is even comparable to the state of Indiana? That alone kinda kills your credibility.

Are you gonna imply that it matters?

It's not 1960 any more.

Yes I am implying it matters. Much easier to recruit when there is a deep pool of HS talent within a 3 hr radius that you can hop in your car and go see any night of the week.

Marshall has access to a private jet at will for recruiting trips. His 3 hour radius is really large and includes Indiana.

You guys make me laugh. You're not gonna convince me that Wichita State is a destination job.

K won his first title in year 10 at Duke...Here's to hoping Marshall gets one soon.

that wasn't your argument, you said butler was a much better job than WSU and that 95% of coaches in america would agree. Simply untrue. Theres about 10 destination jobs in the country and WSU and Butler aren't one of them.

(06-14-2017 09:33 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 06:02 PM)SHOCK_value Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 09:35 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  They got the coach from Butler and Butler is better than WSU

Via which empirical data exactly?

A quick look at MBB revenues/expenses shows Butler trailing WSU substantially ($4.8M versus $8.7M).

Total weeks spent in the AP poll top 25 or top 10? Nope and LOLNotEvenFreakingClose nope, respectively.

Head coach salary? Top ten at $3.5M versus also-ran $1.0M.

Home court attendance? WSU actually averages over-capacity at 10800, and Butler struggles to sell out at 8200.

I guess I'm all ears.

In a vacuum, meaning if WSU and Butler were the ONLY two jobs in America, then your data would support WSU as the better job.

BUT we don't live in a vacuum, and I'm pretty sure approximately 95% of prospective coaches would rather have the Butler job. Location, recruiting, conference, coach history. Butler is Butler. I think in a lot of people's eyes nationally, Gregg Marshall is Wichita State.

(06-14-2017 10:46 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 10:49 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 09:37 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 09:18 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 06:02 PM)SHOCK_value Wrote:  Via which empirical data exactly?

A quick look at MBB revenues/expenses shows Butler trailing WSU substantially ($4.8M versus $8.7M).

Total weeks spent in the AP poll top 25 or top 10? Nope and LOLNotEvenFreakingClose nope, respectively.

Head coach salary? Top ten at $3.5M versus also-ran $1.0M.

Home court attendance? WSU actually averages over-capacity at 10800, and Butler struggles to sell out at 8200.

I guess I'm all ears.

don't pay attention to the resident troll memphis fans. If they are this bad when memphis sucks imagine how bad they were when memphis was really good in CUSA.

we must be pretty damn good when 19-13 is considered us 'sucking'...Memphis has shifted it's priority to football, and it's showing.

yup, memphis at one time was national power vying for NCAA chip. Sad how far yall have fallen from then. Hope to see you back soon.

lol, wut? you went from the Fiesta Bowl to 0-12...stfu.

lol, wut? we've both had ups and downs not really sure why you are offended about that?

(06-15-2017 08:01 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 07:33 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:30 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:11 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:07 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  You're seriously gonna imply that the amount of talent the state of Kansas produces is even comparable to the state of Indiana? That alone kinda kills your credibility.

Are you gonna imply that it matters?

It's not 1960 any more.

Yes I am implying it matters. Much easier to recruit when there is a deep pool of HS talent within a 3 hr radius that you can hop in your car and go see any night of the week.

Marshall has access to a private jet at will for recruiting trips. His 3 hour radius is really large and includes Indiana.

You guys make me laugh. You're not gonna convince me that Wichita State is a destination job.

K won his first title in year 10 at Duke...Here's to hoping Marshall gets one soon.

Moving goal posts to win arguments.

Good stuff.

(06-15-2017 09:20 AM)WSUbballer Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 08:01 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 07:33 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:30 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:11 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  Are you gonna imply that it matters?

It's not 1960 any more.

Yes I am implying it matters. Much easier to recruit when there is a deep pool of HS talent within a 3 hr radius that you can hop in your car and go see any night of the week.

Marshall has access to a private jet at will for recruiting trips. His 3 hour radius is really large and includes Indiana.

You guys make me laugh. You're not gonna convince me that Wichita State is a destination job.

K won his first title in year 10 at Duke...Here's to hoping Marshall gets one soon.

Moving goal posts to win arguments.

Good stuff.

How else would someone win an argument when they are making up the facts??

(06-15-2017 08:01 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 07:33 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:30 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:11 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 01:07 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  You're seriously gonna imply that the amount of talent the state of Kansas produces is even comparable to the state of Indiana? That alone kinda kills your credibility.

Are you gonna imply that it matters?

It's not 1960 any more.

Yes I am implying it matters. Much easier to recruit when there is a deep pool of HS talent within a 3 hr radius that you can hop in your car and go see any night of the week.

Marshall has access to a private jet at will for recruiting trips. His 3 hour radius is really large and includes Indiana.

You guys make me laugh. You're not gonna convince me that Wichita State is a destination job.

K won his first title in year 10 at Duke...Here's to hoping Marshall gets one soon.

Well when you ignore facts and just run with whatever you want to make up in your head ... then of course we wont convince you.

(06-15-2017 06:38 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Let's see how Marshall does in the AAC first. Being kings of the Mo Valley isn't a big deal, that conference is hot garbage.

Marshall was king of the Big South at Winthrop

Marshall was king of the MVC at Wichita State

Marshall plans on being king here too.

His strategy is pretty simple. He overrecruits with respect to talent depth relative to whatever conference he is in. It will be interesting to see if he can do that in the AAC. His recruiting strategy would mostly vanish in the ACC/SEC if he ever took one of those top 3 jobs. His success would then hinge more on his X's and O's - of which I've never thought of him as some kind of mastermind. His teams are deeper; he tries to keep two starting fives on the roster. His mastery lies in getting his recruits to buy into sharing the glory/playing time in exchange for an abundance of wins, championship rings, celebrity, etc. This requires him to avoid the selfish blue-chippers who are only coming to college to improve their draft spot. Those guys require a certain number of minutes/touches per game regardless of the circumstances.

Gregg's teams will wear you out with their depth. A side benefit is they are very watchable on television because the intensity never falls off. Opposing coaches have described playing the Shockers as having difficulty matching their intensity in the first half. Then once your team finally adjusts, the Shockers come out another level higher in the second (I'm mostly referring to defense). It's really, really miserable for the unprepared. If your team's starting 5 gets all the minutes, you are screwed against us. Your legs will be gone 5 mins into the 2nd.


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(06-15-2017 06:38 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Let's see how Marshall does in the AAC first. Being kings of the Mo Valley isn't a big deal, that conference is hot garbage.

I'd like to also address the MVC as being hot garbage.

The MVC has always been a very underrated league. Yes, there are teams that don't invest what they should, but night in and night out, it's always a battle in the Valley. It has been - without a doubt - over the years, the top mid-major league in the country. Everybody is pretty physical, and they aren't afraid of defense. I'm not going to research this now, but there's a long list of elite teams who have fallen to Valley members in the modern era. The Power 6 has never wanted to schedule the Valley because they knew they had a real shot of losing the game... and that would be a media disaster.

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketba...oss-to-uni

This kind of **** happened all the time. I have no idea why Roy Boy went into Cedar Fails. Dumb move for the uninitiated. UNI's program has fallen on hard times lately though. I'm sure they'll bounce back in the vacuum created by the Shockers departure. It's UNI's and ISU's conference now.


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Watch the ESPN video highlight in the link above. FU Roy!


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(06-15-2017 06:38 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Let's see how Marshall does in the AAC first. Being kings of the Mo Valley isn't a big deal, that conference is hot garbage.

If only we had results and metrics outside of MVC play. Golly shucks.

(06-15-2017 08:47 PM)SHOCK_value Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 06:38 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Let's see how Marshall does in the AAC first. Being kings of the Mo Valley isn't a big deal, that conference is hot garbage.

If only we had results and metrics outside of MVC play. Golly shucks.

anybody can get up for a game or two


I learned real fast when we were in the old Big East that having to get ready and win night and night out is a different story. Granted, the AAC isn't on that level (of the old big east) but as far as you are concerned, it is a step up....actually multiple steps up. the mo valley was a joke

(06-15-2017 01:24 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 06:38 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Let's see how Marshall does in the AAC first. Being kings of the Mo Valley isn't a big deal, that conference is hot garbage.

Marshall was king of the Big South at Winthrop

Marshall was king of the MVC at Wichita State

Marshall plans on being king here too.

His strategy is pretty simple. He overrecruits with respect to talent depth relative to whatever conference he is in. It will be interesting to see if he can do that in the AAC. His recruiting strategy would mostly vanish in the ACC/SEC if he ever took one of those top 3 jobs. His success would then hinge more on his X's and O's - of which I've never thought of him as some kind of mastermind. His teams are deeper; he tries to keep two starting fives on the roster. His mastery lies in getting his recruits to buy into sharing the glory/playing time in exchange for an abundance of wins, championship rings, celebrity, etc. This requires him to avoid the selfish blue-chippers who are only coming to college to improve their draft spot. Those guys require a certain number of minutes/touches per game regardless of the circumstances.

Gregg's teams will wear you out with their depth. A side benefit is they are very watchable on television because the intensity never falls off. Opposing coaches have described playing the Shockers as having difficulty matching their intensity in the first half. Then once your team finally adjusts, the Shockers come out another level higher in the second (I'm mostly referring to defense). It's really, really miserable for the unprepared. If your team's starting 5 gets all the minutes, you are screwed against us. Your legs will be gone 5 mins into the 2nd.


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Big South? MVC? LOL ok

(06-15-2017 01:38 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 06:38 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Let's see how Marshall does in the AAC first. Being kings of the Mo Valley isn't a big deal, that conference is hot garbage.

I'd like to also address the MVC as being hot garbage.

The MVC has always been a very underrated league. Yes, there are teams that don't invest what they should, but night in and night out, it's always a battle in the Valley. It has been - without a doubt - over the years, the top mid-major league in the country. Everybody is pretty physical, and they aren't afraid of defense. I'm not going to research this now, but there's a long list of elite teams who have fallen to Valley members in the modern era. The Power 6 has never wanted to schedule the Valley because they knew they had a real shot of losing the game... and that would be a media disaster.

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketba...oss-to-uni

This kind of **** happened all the time. I have no idea why Roy Boy went into Cedar Fails. Dumb move for the uninitiated. UNI's program has fallen on hard times lately though. I'm sure they'll bounce back in the vacuum created by the Shockers departure. It's UNI's and ISU's conference now.


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lol blah blah blah mo valley blah blah blah


yeah, your conference sucked dude.

winning that high school league gets you zero points with any of us

(06-15-2017 09:33 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 01:38 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 06:38 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Let's see how Marshall does in the AAC first. Being kings of the Mo Valley isn't a big deal, that conference is hot garbage.

I'd like to also address the MVC as being hot garbage.

The MVC has always been a very underrated league. Yes, there are teams that don't invest what they should, but night in and night out, it's always a battle in the Valley. It has been - without a doubt - over the years, the top mid-major league in the country. Everybody is pretty physical, and they aren't afraid of defense. I'm not going to research this now, but there's a long list of elite teams who have fallen to Valley members in the modern era. The Power 6 has never wanted to schedule the Valley because they knew they had a real shot of losing the game... and that would be a media disaster.

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketba...oss-to-uni

This kind of **** happened all the time. I have no idea why Roy Boy went into Cedar Fails. Dumb move for the uninitiated. UNI's program has fallen on hard times lately though. I'm sure they'll bounce back in the vacuum created by the Shockers departure. It's UNI's and ISU's conference now.


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lol blah blah blah mo valley blah blah blah


yeah, your conference sucked dude.

winning that high school league gets you zero points with any of us

Memphis made a pretty good living dominating their "sucky" conference for ages. The MVC and CUSA were usually closely ranked with the MVC most times having the edge. Last year the MVC slipped to 12th, which is most likely why we are gone. But many years the MVC was the 7th or 8th ranked conference in the country. Not elite, but far from suckitude. The MVC gets a lot of "project players", these players many times develop into a top 50-100 caliber player by the time they graduate. MVC teams are loaded with experienced seniors whereas elite conference teams are riddled with early draftees. This is what oftentimes strikes the balance; experience vs. raw athletic potential.


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(06-15-2017 09:33 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 01:38 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 06:38 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Let's see how Marshall does in the AAC first. Being kings of the Mo Valley isn't a big deal, that conference is hot garbage.

I'd like to also address the MVC as being hot garbage.

The MVC has always been a very underrated league. Yes, there are teams that don't invest what they should, but night in and night out, it's always a battle in the Valley. It has been - without a doubt - over the years, the top mid-major league in the country. Everybody is pretty physical, and they aren't afraid of defense. I'm not going to research this now, but there's a long list of elite teams who have fallen to Valley members in the modern era. The Power 6 has never wanted to schedule the Valley because they knew they had a real shot of losing the game... and that would be a media disaster.

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketba...oss-to-uni

This kind of **** happened all the time. I have no idea why Roy Boy went into Cedar Fails. Dumb move for the uninitiated. UNI's program has fallen on hard times lately though. I'm sure they'll bounce back in the vacuum created by the Shockers departure. It's UNI's and ISU's conference now.


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lol blah blah blah mo valley blah blah blah


yeah, your conference sucked dude.

winning that high school league gets you zero points with any of us

How in the **** did WSU get invited to the AAC when all they have are high school level accomplishments worthy of zero points?