RE: ESPN Lists WSU's Landry Shamet As The #15 Player in D1
And yes, I would agree with others that #1 Shamet won't be the best player in the AAC and #2 he isn't the 15th best player in the country. Shamet had a nice season for certain and a great game against Kentucky. But can we please stop acting like this was some 18 year old freshman having a breakout in the NCAAT? He was already 20 by the time of the UK game, which is older than Jacob Evans. Evans had better counting stats, advanced stats, is probably the best athlete in the AAC (maybe after Jarrey Foster) and he didn't even make one of the all league teams in the AAC.
(This post was last modified: 06-05-2017 09:01 AM by JFlight21.)
RE: ESPN Lists WSU's Landry Shamet As The #15 Player in D1
(06-05-2017 12:14 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: I'm more impressed with how many moving screens Shaq Morris gets away with (on multiple players in a possession) than what Shamet was doing.
Did I just meet the resident CSNBBS referee?
Big men know full well they'll be setting a lot of perimeter screens playing for the Shockers. We rarely get whistled for moving screens. An NCAA tournament game against UK will be loosely called in hopes that UK gets the advantage. We adapted. A large part of a Wichita State basketball player's daily training regimen is in the weight room. WSU can match up physically with any college team on the planet.
RE: ESPN Lists WSU's Landry Shamet As The #15 Player in D1
(06-05-2017 08:58 AM)JFlight21 Wrote: And yes, I would agree with others that #1 Shamet won't be the best player in the AAC and #2 he isn't the 15th best player in the country. Shamet had a nice season for certain and a great game against Kentucky. But can we please stop acting like this was some 18 year old freshman having a breakout in the NCAAT? He was already 20 by the time of the UK game, which is older than Jacob Evans. Evans had better counting stats, advanced stats, is probably the best athlete in the AAC (maybe after Jarrey Foster) and he didn't even make one of the all league teams in the AAC.
It's fine to think Shamet won't be the best player in the AAC, or to think he is not a Top 20 player in the country (a list that seems impossible to define to begin with.)
But the rest of your post doesn't really add up. Shamet wasn't an 18yo freshman having a breakout in the NCAAT. But he was still a freshman in games played. A freshman PG on a Top 25 team. And his performance wasn't a breakout to those of us who watched him play all season. It was to a lot of people that only like to watch the ACC games ESPN will show them. That isn't his fault, or the fault of WSU fans.
Also, his advanced stats stack up pretty well against, well, literally anyone, including Evans. I'm not saying he's better, as I'm not that familiar with Evans' game. But I'm not running around spouting things that aren't true, either.
I think there is a difference between WSU fans thinking WSU has a very good chance to win the AAC this season, and some AAC fans taking that to mean WSU fans expect to go 18-0 with a MoV of 20. Or that WSU will win the league for the next 4 years. There is some reasonable middle ground there. The AAC is a noticeable step up in competition from the MVC. But it's not like WSU was struggling to outpace that league by a significant margin, or to competed against better teams nationally over the last 4 years. Lets also not pretend that a team comparable to WSU didn't go 16-2 in the AAC last season. I think there will be more losses at the top this season, as I think the middle is improved and the top is now 3 teams instead of 2. That makes a 14-4 league champ so much more likely, and potentially impacted by the unbalanced schedules. And once you're in the 14-4 range for a league champ, 1 game here or there can mean the difference between 1st and 4th.
If teams stay healthy, this could be a very special year for the AAC.
RE: ESPN Lists WSU's Landry Shamet As The #15 Player in D1
(06-05-2017 01:33 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:
(06-05-2017 12:14 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: I'm more impressed with how many moving screens Shaq Morris gets away with (on multiple players in a possession) than what Shamet was doing.
Did I just meet the resident CSNBBS referee?
Big men know full well they'll be setting a lot of perimeter screens playing for the Shockers. We rarely get whistled for moving screens. An NCAA tournament game against UK will be loosely called in hopes that UK gets the advantage. We adapted. A large part of a Wichita State basketball player's daily training regimen is in the weight room. WSU can match up physically with any college team on the planet.
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Go back and watch the play at 16:36 in the second half on the highlight reel. You're not going to get those kinds of non-calls next year. Morris just shoulders two guys in the span of 3 seconds. It's crap.
RE: ESPN Lists WSU's Landry Shamet As The #15 Player in D1
(06-05-2017 02:09 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:
(06-05-2017 08:58 AM)JFlight21 Wrote: And yes, I would agree with others that #1 Shamet won't be the best player in the AAC and #2 he isn't the 15th best player in the country. Shamet had a nice season for certain and a great game against Kentucky. But can we please stop acting like this was some 18 year old freshman having a breakout in the NCAAT? He was already 20 by the time of the UK game, which is older than Jacob Evans. Evans had better counting stats, advanced stats, is probably the best athlete in the AAC (maybe after Jarrey Foster) and he didn't even make one of the all league teams in the AAC.
It's fine to think Shamet won't be the best player in the AAC, or to think he is not a Top 20 player in the country (a list that seems impossible to define to begin with.)
But the rest of your post doesn't really add up. Shamet wasn't an 18yo freshman having a breakout in the NCAAT. But he was still a freshman in games played. A freshman PG on a Top 25 team. And his performance wasn't a breakout to those of us who watched him play all season. It was to a lot of people that only like to watch the ACC games ESPN will show them. That isn't his fault, or the fault of WSU fans.
Also, his advanced stats stack up pretty well against, well, literally anyone, including Evans. I'm not saying he's better, as I'm not that familiar with Evans' game. But I'm not running around spouting things that aren't true, either.
I think there is a difference between WSU fans thinking WSU has a very good chance to win the AAC this season, and some AAC fans taking that to mean WSU fans expect to go 18-0 with a MoV of 20. Or that WSU will win the league for the next 4 years. There is some reasonable middle ground there. The AAC is a noticeable step up in competition from the MVC. But it's not like WSU was struggling to outpace that league by a significant margin, or to competed against better teams nationally over the last 4 years. Lets also not pretend that a team comparable to WSU didn't go 16-2 in the AAC last season. I think there will be more losses at the top this season, as I think the middle is improved and the top is now 3 teams instead of 2. That makes a 14-4 league champ so much more likely, and potentially impacted by the unbalanced schedules. And once you're in the 14-4 range for a league champ, 1 game here or there can mean the difference between 1st and 4th.
If teams stay healthy, this could be a very special year for the AAC.
The thing that is great about this year is that almost everyone is trending up. Wichita and Cincinnati could be top 10 teams. SMU and UCF look like tournament teams as well. Then you've got Houston, UConn, Temple, and Tulsa, who all return a lot of talent plus have guys coming back from injury. USF and Tulane are trending in the right direction with their new coaching staffs. East Carolina returns a lot of their guys. Really Memphis is the only team that might be taking a big step back, but I think the culture change there was a necessary, if painful step in the right direction.
RE: ESPN Lists WSU's Landry Shamet As The #15 Player in D1
(06-05-2017 12:02 PM)Shockem Wrote: I'm a huge Landry Shamet fan, but that was no standing box jump, he had a serious running start. The dude can fly though.
Not to mention he caught himself with his hands to finish the jump.
(This post was last modified: 06-05-2017 02:51 PM by PonyUpTempo.)
RE: ESPN Lists WSU's Landry Shamet As The #15 Player in D1
I think it's more the national media rather than any WSU fan on here. I mean I knew that list of players was garbage as soon as I saw all of the point guards they had in front of Joel Berry.
I like Shamet. He has the type of size and shooting ability you want in a lead guard. But I see the majority of the hype coming from that UK game. Look at the other 7 games on the schedule vs NCAA worthy teams (Louisville, Michigan State, Ok State, Illinois State x3, and Dayton). He shot 18 - 59, which is just under 31%.
Put a gun to my head and I'll say Jalen Adams is the best guard in the league next year. Shake Milton, Rob Gray and Shamet would be in that next tier.
RE: ESPN Lists WSU's Landry Shamet As The #15 Player in D1
(06-05-2017 02:58 PM)JFlight21 Wrote: I think it's more the national media rather than any WSU fan on here. I mean I knew that list of players was garbage as soon as I saw all of the point guards they had in front of Joel Berry.
I like Shamet. He has the type of size and shooting ability you want in a lead guard. But I see the majority of the hype coming from that UK game. Look at the other 7 games on the schedule vs NCAA worthy teams (Louisville, Michigan State, Ok State, Illinois State x3, and Dayton). He shot 18 - 59, which is just under 31%.
Put a gun to my head and I'll say Jalen Adams is the best guard in the league next year. Shake Milton, Rob Gray and Shamet would be in that next tier.
I agree when playing to his potential Adams is the best guard in the league. I would add a few players to your second tier - BJ Taylor, Jimmy Whitt and Jahmal McMurray.
(This post was last modified: 06-05-2017 03:14 PM by Moody Magic.)
RE: ESPN Lists WSU's Landry Shamet As The #15 Player in D1
(06-05-2017 02:58 PM)JFlight21 Wrote: I think it's more the national media rather than any WSU fan on here. I mean I knew that list of players was garbage as soon as I saw all of the point guards they had in front of Joel Berry.
I like Shamet. He has the type of size and shooting ability you want in a lead guard. But I see the majority of the hype coming from that UK game. Look at the other 7 games on the schedule vs NCAA worthy teams (Louisville, Michigan State, Ok State, Illinois State x3, and Dayton). He shot 18 - 59, which is just under 31%.
Put a gun to my head and I'll say Jalen Adams is the best guard in the league next year. Shake Milton, Rob Gray and Shamet would be in that next tier.
To be fair to Landry, the UL, MSU, OSU and First ISU game were all early in the year and before they switched him to PG. Once they put Landry at PG and Frankamp at SG, the team really took off. (if I remember right he shot >50% from 3 after they made that change)
RE: ESPN Lists WSU's Landry Shamet As The #15 Player in D1
(06-05-2017 03:14 PM)Moody Magic Wrote:
(06-05-2017 02:58 PM)JFlight21 Wrote: I think it's more the national media rather than any WSU fan on here. I mean I knew that list of players was garbage as soon as I saw all of the point guards they had in front of Joel Berry.
I like Shamet. He has the type of size and shooting ability you want in a lead guard. But I see the majority of the hype coming from that UK game. Look at the other 7 games on the schedule vs NCAA worthy teams (Louisville, Michigan State, Ok State, Illinois State x3, and Dayton). He shot 18 - 59, which is just under 31%.
Put a gun to my head and I'll say Jalen Adams is the best guard in the league next year. Shake Milton, Rob Gray and Shamet would be in that next tier.
I agree when playing to his potential Adams is the best guard in the league. I would add a few players to your second tier - BJ Taylor, Jimmy Whitt and Jahmal McMurray.
Yeah, I think regardless of position, Adams is probably the most talented player in the league.
Good call on Taylor, totally forgot about him. Whitt is an unknown to me at this point although he did show promise at Arkansas. McMurray and Cane Broome are in the same boat. Both put up big numbers on bad teams. Need to see them again this year with better teammates to see where they fit.
RE: ESPN Lists WSU's Landry Shamet As The #15 Player in D1
(06-05-2017 03:17 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:
(06-05-2017 03:14 PM)Moody Magic Wrote:
(06-05-2017 02:58 PM)JFlight21 Wrote: I think it's more the national media rather than any WSU fan on here. I mean I knew that list of players was garbage as soon as I saw all of the point guards they had in front of Joel Berry.
I like Shamet. He has the type of size and shooting ability you want in a lead guard. But I see the majority of the hype coming from that UK game. Look at the other 7 games on the schedule vs NCAA worthy teams (Louisville, Michigan State, Ok State, Illinois State x3, and Dayton). He shot 18 - 59, which is just under 31%.
Put a gun to my head and I'll say Jalen Adams is the best guard in the league next year. Shake Milton, Rob Gray and Shamet would be in that next tier.
I agree when playing to his potential Adams is the best guard in the league. I would add a few players to your second tier - BJ Taylor, Jimmy Whitt and Jahmal McMurray.
Yeah, I think regardless of position, Adams is probably the most talented player in the league.
Good call on Taylor, totally forgot about him. Whitt is an unknown to me at this point although he did show promise at Arkansas. McMurray and Cane Broome are in the same boat. Both put up big numbers on bad teams. Need to see them again this year with better teammates to see where they fit.
You're right that Whitt and McMurray have to prove they can produce in our system but from everything I hear about Whitt is he is electric in practice. He's the ultimate slash and attack the rim guy. His outside shot was a question mark leaving Arkansas but supposedly he's improved.
The Cincy/SMU matchups will be fascinating next season. Our very talented backcourt against your very talented frontcourt.
(This post was last modified: 06-05-2017 03:28 PM by Moody Magic.)
RE: ESPN Lists WSU's Landry Shamet As The #15 Player in D1
(06-05-2017 03:26 PM)Moody Magic Wrote:
(06-05-2017 03:17 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:
(06-05-2017 03:14 PM)Moody Magic Wrote:
(06-05-2017 02:58 PM)JFlight21 Wrote: I think it's more the national media rather than any WSU fan on here. I mean I knew that list of players was garbage as soon as I saw all of the point guards they had in front of Joel Berry.
I like Shamet. He has the type of size and shooting ability you want in a lead guard. But I see the majority of the hype coming from that UK game. Look at the other 7 games on the schedule vs NCAA worthy teams (Louisville, Michigan State, Ok State, Illinois State x3, and Dayton). He shot 18 - 59, which is just under 31%.
Put a gun to my head and I'll say Jalen Adams is the best guard in the league next year. Shake Milton, Rob Gray and Shamet would be in that next tier.
I agree when playing to his potential Adams is the best guard in the league. I would add a few players to your second tier - BJ Taylor, Jimmy Whitt and Jahmal McMurray.
Yeah, I think regardless of position, Adams is probably the most talented player in the league.
Good call on Taylor, totally forgot about him. Whitt is an unknown to me at this point although he did show promise at Arkansas. McMurray and Cane Broome are in the same boat. Both put up big numbers on bad teams. Need to see them again this year with better teammates to see where they fit.
You're right that Whitt and McMurray have to prove they can produce in our system but from everything I hear about Whitt is he is electric in practice. He's the ultimate slash and attack the rim guy. His outside shot was a question mark leaving Arkansas but supposedly he's improved.
The Cincy/SMU matchups will be fascinating next season. Our very talented backcourt against your very talented frontcourt.
Cincy is going to be real tough next year (really like Evans and Clark; Cumberland can score). McMurray and Broome will be fun guys to see how they translate into winning programs where they aren't near as high volume shooters. I expect both to be good based on talent and their numbers at their previous schools, but if both excel and fit in both SMU and Cincy will be very dangerous. Same for Jimmy Whitt, who I don't think will be the offensive weapon that either of those two are, but with his athleticism and 6'10 wingspan will be a real good defender and slasher. His shooting consistency will ultimately determine his ceiling as Moody Magic said. Excited to have 3 years of Jimmy Whitt. Really talented.
(This post was last modified: 06-05-2017 04:46 PM by PonyExpressHoops.)
RE: ESPN Lists WSU's Landry Shamet As The #15 Player in D1
I ran into the article that started this whole thread. I thought it would be of interest to AAC fans. I recapped what was in the article, which was that no other players from The American were listed in the top 25.
I had no intention of disparaging or disrespecting other AAC players, but that seems to be the interpretation some gathered. If a player from another school would have been the only mention in that article, I would have posted the same thing about another team's player.
When other AAC players get pre-season respect in the media, and they will, I expect to be informed of that. I will wish them well and look forward to that matchup when the Shockers play against that player.
If fans of other teams think their guy is better than the guy from another team - well, that's what being a fan is all about.
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ESPN Lists WSU's Landry Shamet As The #15 Player in D1
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