Someone is going to offer J-Mike $12M per year. He's 27 years old coming off the best season of his NBA career. Last year was also probably his ceiling...

Would you pay him $12M per?

I'd rather the Grizz go get Paul Millsap on a 2 year deal with a 3rd year player option. This team desperately needs a legitimate rebounder.

If JMike would go 3 years, I might go 3/36.

I'm not sure he is going to get the $12M offer. Keep looking at teams that might offer him, and the money they have to spend, and can't find the perfect match. Unless Philly or Brooklyn just throw money at JMike.

Biggest under-reported aspect is that JMike is Restricted. RFA's usually play out two ways. The first is they just don't get offers, cause they assume the Grizz would match.

Second, and this happened a few times last year, the offering team makes a crazy offer. Last summer Brooklyn gave Tyler Johnson the 4-year, $50M qualifying offer. Miami ended up matching.

I think if another team focuses on JMike and makes him a crazy QO, the Grizz do not match. Otherwise, I think we keep him. 4 years / $40M.

(05-15-2017 10:42 AM)toddbotm Wrote:  I'd rather the Grizz go get Paul Millsap on a 2 year deal with a 3rd year player option. This team desperately needs a legitimate rebounder.

Common man. Be serious.

Millsap is looking for a max deal. He's a 10 year vet, so would get the top-tier, 30% of cap deal. Grizz have zero shot at Millsap.

(05-15-2017 10:54 AM)Tigx Wrote:  If JMike would go 3 years, I might go 3/36.

I'm not sure he is going to get the $12M offer. Keep looking at teams that might offer him, and the money they have to spend, and can't find the perfect match. Unless Philly or Brooklyn just throw money at JMike.

Biggest under-reported aspect is that JMike is Restricted. RFA's usually play out two ways. The first is they just don't get offers, cause they assume the Grizz would match.

Second, and this happened a few times last year, the offering team makes a crazy offer. Last summer Brooklyn gave Tyler Johnson the 4-year, $50M qualifying offer. Miami ended up matching.

I think if another team focuses on JMike and makes him a crazy QO, the Grizz do not match. Otherwise, I think we keep him. 4 years / $40M.

Wouldn't surprise me at all for a team like BKN to throw 3/$36M at Green. His agent will be pushing it...this will likely be his only big contract. I think he's going to take the biggest contract he can get...and I think someone will give it to him.

Of course, he's a RFA so we can match. My question is...at $12M per, should we?

I'm surprised by the FA PF lists.

HoopsHype has JMike #12 on PF list. BasketballInsiders has him #11.

Decent PF FA class. Blake Griffin, Ibaka, Millsap the top tier. Taj Gibson, Ilyasova, Patterson, Mirotic, Amir Johnson. And Dirk and ZBo. And all these would be unrestricted.

More I research, more I think the market plays in our favor. Grizz offer JMike a decent contract averaging $10M, kind of take it or leave it. And JMike re-signs.

I'm not crazy about paying JaMychal $10-$12M/yr. He averaged 8.9 points/7.1 rebounds this year while averaging 27.3 minutes per game. Those are okay stats, but I'd honestly rather re-sign ZBo for another couple years and give Deyonta Davis/Jarell Martin some PT.

(05-15-2017 12:10 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  I'm not crazy about paying JaMychal $10-$12M/yr. He averaged 8.9 points/7.1 rebounds this year while averaging 27.3 minutes per game. Those are okay stats, but I'd honestly rather re-sign ZBo for another couple years and give Deyonta Davis/Jarell Martin some PT.

Fair point. His 38% 3-point% and ability to guard multiple positions adds value. But JMike is basically a replacement-level PF, so no need for Grizz to go crazy on his contract offer.

I get the impression they have turned the page on Jarell. Verno has various Grizz coaches and admins. on his show. They never seem that enthused. Cyp says Jarell has the play the 4, can't play the 3, and that is a pretty crowded position. Plus Parsons might have to play some 4, if he ever gets healthy.

They all love DD. This may sound crazy, but I think he is the most untradeable player on the roster right now.

Grizz brass also think a lot of Selden too

FWIW, I would not go that high for JaMych

(05-15-2017 11:18 AM)Tigx Wrote:  I'm surprised by the FA PF lists.

HoopsHype has JMike #12 on PF list. BasketballInsiders has him #11.

Decent PF FA class. Blake Griffin, Ibaka, Millsap the top tier. Taj Gibson, Ilyasova, Patterson, Mirotic, Amir Johnson. And Dirk and ZBo. And all these would be unrestricted.

More I research, more I think the market plays in our favor. Grizz offer JMike a decent contract averaging $10M, kind of take it or leave it. And JMike re-signs.

I think most everyone on that list will get an 8-figure salary if they want one. J-Mike will want one. I think some team will give it to him because a good number of those guys will probably re-sign with current teams IMO.

(05-15-2017 01:06 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  Grizz brass also think a lot of Selden too

FWIW, I would not go that high for JaMych

Agree. Selden's TO guarantee date is June 24th IIRC, after the draft but before FA starts.

Selden started 2 games in the Spurs series, so would be shocking if Grizz don't pick up his option.

(05-15-2017 01:21 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 01:06 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  Grizz brass also think a lot of Selden too

FWIW, I would not go that high for JaMych

Agree. Selden's TO guarantee date is June 24th IIRC, after the draft but before FA starts.

Selden started 2 games in the Spurs series, so would be shocking if Grizz don't pick up his option.

Given our lack of picks in the next few years, I think it's very possible for Selden to be picked up. He had his moments in a very competitive series with very little experience. You can throw him out there in January vs the Nets and it'll probably be okay. Shouldn't be one of your main rotation guys though. But he'll be cheap and young.

Also - I'd like to see what Deyonta Davis can do. He's the 10th youngest player in the NBA. 6'11" with a 7'3" wingspan...

At that price, I'd rather have The Manimal...he's at 12.5/yr and losing minutes now due to Jurkic. Could we find a way to unload Parsons in a package and get Faried? If so, I'd say do it and have room to sign a difference maker at the 3. Denver has the cap room for a straight up IF you can talk Denver into a 3 year shot at a Parsons full recovery for max money.

I think it would be intriguing for a team with a logjam at the 4/5

No.

Also I don't see how we could get rid of Parsons. With that ridiculous contract and his level of play any team would be foolish to take a chance on him. If he has another good season, we might be able to get rid of him, but I don't really see it happening. I think he will spend a lot of time on IR, instagram, and twitter.

(05-15-2017 10:40 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Someone is going to offer J-Mike $12M per year. He's 27 years old coming off the best season of his NBA career. Last year was also probably his ceiling...

Would you pay him $12M per?

No. I like him and someone is probably going to offer him way to much, but we are strapped as is. No need to give him that much.

Yes

(05-15-2017 12:10 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  I'm not crazy about paying JaMychal $10-$12M/yr. He averaged 8.9 points/7.1 rebounds this year while averaging 27.3 minutes per game. Those are okay stats, but I'd honestly rather re-sign ZBo for another couple years and give Deyonta Davis/Jarell Martin some PT.

Jam is the best defensive big on the team

(05-15-2017 03:46 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:10 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  I'm not crazy about paying JaMychal $10-$12M/yr. He averaged 8.9 points/7.1 rebounds this year while averaging 27.3 minutes per game. Those are okay stats, but I'd honestly rather re-sign ZBo for another couple years and give Deyonta Davis/Jarell Martin some PT.

Jam is the best defensive big on the team

I'd say Marc is better. Marc was the NBA Defensive Player a few years back.

Jamychal is a good defender, though.

(05-15-2017 04:01 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:46 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:10 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  I'm not crazy about paying JaMychal $10-$12M/yr. He averaged 8.9 points/7.1 rebounds this year while averaging 27.3 minutes per game. Those are okay stats, but I'd honestly rather re-sign ZBo for another couple years and give Deyonta Davis/Jarell Martin some PT.

Jam is the best defensive big on the team

I'd say Marc is better. Marc was the NBA Defensive Player a few years back.

Jamychal is a good defender, though.

Gasols defense has declined dramatically. Jam can guard 4 positions and is great covering pick and rolls. He's too valuable to let walk