One of those links had a pic of DD - looked like he was about 16. Had his height at 6' 8''. Too funny. And because that link from years ago said he was a forward, somehow the Grizz didn't play him at Center last year?

(05-17-2017 11:56 AM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 11:53 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Russia, you seriously wasted all that time, came up with all those links from pre-draft a year ago, none of which even address the argument? Like to argue much?

Only point that matters is the Grizz consider DD a 5, and play him at the 5. Wallace, Hollinger, Cyp, Fizz are all on the record. He played 5 for the Grizz when he got in. Did you not watch the games? He played 5 for Iowa when he was in the D-League. It really doesn't matter what you think. It is what it is.

Why are you wasting time on this?

I'm simply answering your question, dumb***.

"Have seen very few mention DD as a 4, not sure where you are seeing "everybody" referring to DD being a 4"

For someone who can't seem to understand what position someone plays, it's pretty rich you calling me dumb.

And I guess we assumed you would understand we meant his position now, not going back to high school and Rivals ranks. What's next, what position DD played in middle school?

(05-17-2017 09:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 03:08 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 01:55 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 01:51 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 01:37 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I think it's inevitable. Maybe not next year, but in the back half of Parsons' contract.

Grizz would be very, very un-athletic with Parsons at the 3. Parsons already has trouble guarding quick 3's. Don't see that improving.

I hope Chandler can bounce back - to some degree. The way he was moving last year, I don't anticipate him ever being the player he was in HOU or DAL.

But he is 6'10" and skilled. If he regains some ANY athleticism then he could be a serviceable stretch-4. Not sure if he's strong enough to guard bigger 4s in the paint...but more and more teams are moving away from those types of 4s. And you'd think he'd be quicker than them on offense so it may offset.

Yep. Like a lot of us were saying, the Grizz should have just shut him down in March, when it was obvious he wasn't progressing.

Ryan Anderson might be a good comparison for the future Parsons. Which would not be terrible.

How does this affect what we do with JMike, ZBo and Jarell this offseason? I just don't see any way both JMike and ZBo are back.

If the decision is between Zbo and Jam you have to bring back Jam. Stretch four off the bench is probably the best role for Parsons though. Not good value for 94 mil

I think it depends on the $ ...

If I can have ZBo on a 2+1 for $14M or J-Mike on a 3 for $36M ... gimme ZBo

This team isnt competing for anythng in the next few years. Its time to think long term. I would just let both of them walk before resigning a 36 year old Zbo over him

(05-17-2017 12:39 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 09:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 03:08 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 01:55 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 01:51 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  I hope Chandler can bounce back - to some degree. The way he was moving last year, I don't anticipate him ever being the player he was in HOU or DAL.

But he is 6'10" and skilled. If he regains some ANY athleticism then he could be a serviceable stretch-4. Not sure if he's strong enough to guard bigger 4s in the paint...but more and more teams are moving away from those types of 4s. And you'd think he'd be quicker than them on offense so it may offset.

Yep. Like a lot of us were saying, the Grizz should have just shut him down in March, when it was obvious he wasn't progressing.

Ryan Anderson might be a good comparison for the future Parsons. Which would not be terrible.

How does this affect what we do with JMike, ZBo and Jarell this offseason? I just don't see any way both JMike and ZBo are back.

If the decision is between Zbo and Jam you have to bring back Jam. Stretch four off the bench is probably the best role for Parsons though. Not good value for 94 mil

I think it depends on the $ ...

If I can have ZBo on a 2+1 for $14M or J-Mike on a 3 for $36M ... gimme ZBo

This team isnt competing for anythng in the next few years. Its time to think long term. I would just let both of them walk before resigning a 36 year old Zbo over him

You're partially right - we aren't competing for championships (or even deep playoff runs) but...No one besides Golden State and Cleveland are competing for championships. MAYBE the Spurs at full health...

That being said, I thought the Grizz playoff games were a lot of fun this year. This team was a healthy TA or Chandler Parsons away from beating the Spurs. Who knows what would happen from there, but it would've been more home games and more excitement in this city, which is never a bad thing.


I still think this team, fully healthy, is a playoff team. Once we get in the playoffs it's all about match-ups. Catch a break and who knows what could happen...I'm in favor of giving ourselves a chance. I haven't always felt that way BTW...but I no longer adhere to the "championship of bust" view. I think a lot of good can come from making the playoffs and being competitive, even if for 1 series.

Our day in the lottery is coming. And it's gonna suck. Might as well enjoy our successes now.

(05-17-2017 01:44 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:39 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 09:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 03:08 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 01:55 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Yep. Like a lot of us were saying, the Grizz should have just shut him down in March, when it was obvious he wasn't progressing.

Ryan Anderson might be a good comparison for the future Parsons. Which would not be terrible.

How does this affect what we do with JMike, ZBo and Jarell this offseason? I just don't see any way both JMike and ZBo are back.

If the decision is between Zbo and Jam you have to bring back Jam. Stretch four off the bench is probably the best role for Parsons though. Not good value for 94 mil

I think it depends on the $ ...

If I can have ZBo on a 2+1 for $14M or J-Mike on a 3 for $36M ... gimme ZBo

This team isnt competing for anythng in the next few years. Its time to think long term. I would just let both of them walk before resigning a 36 year old Zbo over him

You're partially right - we aren't competing for championships (or even deep playoff runs) but...No one besides Golden State and Cleveland are competing for championships. MAYBE the Spurs at full health...

That being said, I thought the Grizz playoff games were a lot of fun this year. This team was a healthy TA or Chandler Parsons away from beating the Spurs. Who knows what would happen from there, but it would've been more home games and more excitement in this city, which is never a bad thing.


I still think this team, fully healthy, is a playoff team. Once we get in the playoffs it's all about match-ups. Catch a break and who knows what could happen...I'm in favor of giving ourselves a chance. I haven't always felt that way BTW...but I no longer adhere to the "championship of bust" view. I think a lot of good can come from making the playoffs and being competitive, even if for 1 series.

Our day in the lottery is coming. And it's gonna suck. Might as well enjoy our successes now.

I'm not championship or bust but I actually attempting to build a roster instead of just patching together a playoff team would be nice

(05-17-2017 04:41 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 01:44 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:39 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 09:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 03:08 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  If the decision is between Zbo and Jam you have to bring back Jam. Stretch four off the bench is probably the best role for Parsons though. Not good value for 94 mil

I think it depends on the $ ...

If I can have ZBo on a 2+1 for $14M or J-Mike on a 3 for $36M ... gimme ZBo

This team isnt competing for anythng in the next few years. Its time to think long term. I would just let both of them walk before resigning a 36 year old Zbo over him

You're partially right - we aren't competing for championships (or even deep playoff runs) but...No one besides Golden State and Cleveland are competing for championships. MAYBE the Spurs at full health...

That being said, I thought the Grizz playoff games were a lot of fun this year. This team was a healthy TA or Chandler Parsons away from beating the Spurs. Who knows what would happen from there, but it would've been more home games and more excitement in this city, which is never a bad thing.


I still think this team, fully healthy, is a playoff team. Once we get in the playoffs it's all about match-ups. Catch a break and who knows what could happen...I'm in favor of giving ourselves a chance. I haven't always felt that way BTW...but I no longer adhere to the "championship of bust" view. I think a lot of good can come from making the playoffs and being competitive, even if for 1 series.

Our day in the lottery is coming. And it's gonna suck. Might as well enjoy our successes now.

I'm not championship or bust but I actually attempting to build a roster instead of just patching together a playoff team would be nice

I would argue that we are adding 2 starters to a playoff team that pushed the 2nd best team in the league to the brink...

(05-17-2017 12:39 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 09:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 03:08 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 01:55 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 01:51 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

If the decision is between Zbo and Jam you have to bring back Jam. Stretch four off the bench is probably the best role for Parsons though. Not good value for 94 mil

I think it depends on the $ ...

If I can have ZBo on a 2+1 for $14M or J-Mike on a 3 for $36M ... gimme ZBo

This team isnt competing for anythng in the next few years. Its time to think long term. I would just let both of them walk before resigning a 36 year old Zbo over him

You never know. Detroit snuck in and won a championship '04. The Mavs in '11. Neither were superteams.

We are a tough out in the playoffs. We actually run an offense, teams like Houston and OKC, not so much, so when they face a team that plays defense, they stall. So we can beat some teams, although we may have less overall talent.

Look at the Spurs now. The lose Kawhi and are a shell. Lose a 25 point lead, and lose by 36 last night. We might get lucky one year and have injures break in our favor.

For the rest of the Mike and Marc era, Grizz need to put themselves in a position to be as healthy as possible come playoff time. Maybe we get lucky one year. If not, still a hell of a lot of fun.

(05-17-2017 05:14 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 04:41 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 01:44 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:39 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 09:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  I think it depends on the $ ...

If I can have ZBo on a 2+1 for $14M or J-Mike on a 3 for $36M ... gimme ZBo

This team isnt competing for anythng in the next few years. Its time to think long term. I would just let both of them walk before resigning a 36 year old Zbo over him

You're partially right - we aren't competing for championships (or even deep playoff runs) but...No one besides Golden State and Cleveland are competing for championships. MAYBE the Spurs at full health...

That being said, I thought the Grizz playoff games were a lot of fun this year. This team was a healthy TA or Chandler Parsons away from beating the Spurs. Who knows what would happen from there, but it would've been more home games and more excitement in this city, which is never a bad thing.


I still think this team, fully healthy, is a playoff team. Once we get in the playoffs it's all about match-ups. Catch a break and who knows what could happen...I'm in favor of giving ourselves a chance. I haven't always felt that way BTW...but I no longer adhere to the "championship of bust" view. I think a lot of good can come from making the playoffs and being competitive, even if for 1 series.

Our day in the lottery is coming. And it's gonna suck. Might as well enjoy our successes now.

I'm not championship or bust but I actually attempting to build a roster instead of just patching together a playoff team would be nice

I would argue that we are adding 2 starters to a playoff team that pushed the 2nd best team in the league to the brink...

That was all about matchups. We match up well against the Spurs because they are old and slow. They won 43 games for a reason

Bum knee Parsons and a 36 year old defensive specialist doesnt get me excited. I wouldnt be surprised if they won like 39 games and missed the playoffs next year

(05-17-2017 05:18 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:39 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 09:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 03:08 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 01:55 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

If the decision is between Zbo and Jam you have to bring back Jam. Stretch four off the bench is probably the best role for Parsons though. Not good value for 94 mil

I think it depends on the $ ...

If I can have ZBo on a 2+1 for $14M or J-Mike on a 3 for $36M ... gimme ZBo

This team isnt competing for anythng in the next few years. Its time to think long term. I would just let both of them walk before resigning a 36 year old Zbo over him

You never know. Detroit snuck in and won a championship '04. The Mavs in '11. Neither were superteams.

We are a tough out in the playoffs. We actually run an offense, teams like Houston and OKC, not so much, so when they face a team that plays defense, they stall. So we can beat some teams, although we may have less overall talent.

Look at the Spurs now. The lose Kawhi and are a shell. Lose a 25 point lead, and lose by 36 last night. We might get lucky one year and have injures break in our favor.

For the rest of the Mike and Marc era, Grizz need to put themselves in a position to be as healthy as possible come playoff time. Maybe we get lucky one year. If not, still a hell of a lot of fun.

We run an offense that is one of the worst in the league every year. The pistons had four All Stars and made the Conference finals like 6 times in a row. The Grizz have lost in the first round three out of the last four years and four out of the last six years. That Mavs team had a HoF caliber player playing lights out.

I want to do more than just scrape into the playoffs and "maybe get lucky". That's pathetic.

(05-17-2017 06:33 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 05:18 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:39 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 09:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  [quote='Dynamos' pid='14340243' dateline='1494965323']

This team isnt competing for anythng in the next few years. Its time to think long term. I would just let both of them walk before resigning a 36 year old Zbo over him

You never know. Detroit snuck in and won a championship '04. The Mavs in '11. Neither were superteams.

We are a tough out in the playoffs. We actually run an offense, teams like Houston and OKC, not so much, so when they face a team that plays defense, they stall. So we can beat some teams, although we may have less overall talent.

Look at the Spurs now. The lose Kawhi and are a shell. Lose a 25 point lead, and lose by 36 last night. We might get lucky one year and have injures break in our favor.

For the rest of the Mike and Marc era, Grizz need to put themselves in a position to be as healthy as possible come playoff time. Maybe we get lucky one year. If not, still a hell of a lot of fun.

We run an offense that is one of the worst in the league every year. The pistons had four All Star and made the Conference finals like 6 times in a row and that Mavs team had a HoF caliber player playing lights out.

I want to do more than just scrape into the playoffs and "maybe get lucky" That's pathetic

Wow, have to disagree with all of that.

Think you are mixing up Piston's eras. This wasn't the early 90s Pistons. '03-'04 team only won 54 games, finished 3rd in East, and was a heavy underdog to the Shaq/Kobe Lakers. Here's the starting lineups. I think I would take most of our lineups over the past 7 years over this one from Detroit.

Starting lineups

Detroit Position Los Angeles
Chauncey Billups PG Gary Payton‡
Richard Hamilton SG Kobe Bryant
Tayshaun Prince SF Devean George
Rasheed Wallace PF Karl Malone‡
Ben Wallace C Shaquille O'Neal‡

And the Grizz were 18th in Team Offensive Eff Rating this year. Not great, but certainly not one of the worst offenses in the league.

And I am thrilled to make the playoffs and have a chance each year.

If the NBA was having a one-team expansion this summer, my guess is the city of Memphis would be about 10th on the the list of candidates. We should have a statue of Michael Heisley at the Forum, and be very thankful we have this team.

(05-17-2017 06:33 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 05:18 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:39 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 09:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  [quote='Dynamos' pid='14340243' dateline='1494965323']

We run an offense that is one of the worst in the league every year. The pistons had four All Stars and made the Conference finals like 6 times in a row and that Mavs team had a HoF caliber player playing lights out.

I want to do more than just scrape into the playoffs and "maybe get lucky". That's pathetic.

Last time Pistons were in NBA Finals prior to '04 was 1990.

My point is this (I started a thread about it) ... we don't have the cap space to go add someone who is going to improve the team dramatically. A bunch of mediocre players are about to get overpaid again which will screw up the market.

Our best chance at remaining competitive is rolling with our guys.

I'll take a competitive (6 or 7 games) playoff series over being in the bottom half of the league with no picks.

(05-17-2017 06:50 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 06:33 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 05:18 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:39 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 09:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  [quote='Dynamos' pid='14340243' dateline='1494965323']

This team isnt competing for anythng in the next few years. Its time to think long term. I would just let both of them walk before resigning a 36 year old Zbo over him

You never know. Detroit snuck in and won a championship '04. The Mavs in '11. Neither were superteams.

We are a tough out in the playoffs. We actually run an offense, teams like Houston and OKC, not so much, so when they face a team that plays defense, they stall. So we can beat some teams, although we may have less overall talent.

Look at the Spurs now. The lose Kawhi and are a shell. Lose a 25 point lead, and lose by 36 last night. We might get lucky one year and have injures break in our favor.

For the rest of the Mike and Marc era, Grizz need to put themselves in a position to be as healthy as possible come playoff time. Maybe we get lucky one year. If not, still a hell of a lot of fun.

We run an offense that is one of the worst in the league every year. The pistons had four All Star and made the Conference finals like 6 times in a row and that Mavs team had a HoF caliber player playing lights out.

I want to do more than just scrape into the playoffs and "maybe get lucky" That's pathetic

Wow, have to disagree with all of that.

Think you are mixing up Piston's eras. This wasn't the early 90s Pistons. '03-'04 team only won 54 games, finished 3rd in East, and was a heavy underdog to the Shaq/Kobe Lakers. Here's the starting lineups. I think I would take most of our lineups over the past 7 years over this one from Detroit.

Starting lineups

Detroit Position Los Angeles
Chauncey Billups PG Gary Payton‡
Richard Hamilton SG Kobe Bryant
Tayshaun Prince SF Devean George
Rasheed Wallace PF Karl Malone‡
Ben Wallace C Shaquille O'Neal‡

And the Grizz were 18th in Team Offensive Eff Rating this year. Not great, but certainly not one of the worst offenses in the league.

And I am thrilled to make the playoffs and have a chance each year.

If the NBA was having a one-team expansion this summer, my guess is the city of Memphis would be about 10th on the the list of candidates. We should have a statue of Michael Heisley at the Forum, and be very thankful we have this team.

What exactly do you disagree with?

Billups
Hamilton
Sheed
Ben

were all allstars and Prime Tayshaun would have been our best wing last season. That eras Pistons also made the Conference finals from 02-08 including two finals appearances. They simply cannot be compared to this Grizz core who has lost in the 1st round four out of the last six seasons now. We have about as much of a "chance" as East High School would

And I'm not sure what your last paragraph has to do with anything

I don't think our 7 straight playoffs Grizz are that far away from the early 2000s Pistons. They have a crown, which I stated initially, so they are better by default.

We have faced much, much tougher competition in the West than they did in the East during that era. Just a fact.

If you don't think our core 4 - Marc, Mike, ZBo and Tony - are the equivalent of Chauncy, Rip, Sheed and Wallace, then power to you. The point, which you seem to resist,
is that Piston's era team was in no way a superteam. They hung around, and took advantage in '04. Which is what we should try to do. Extend this very successful era for
as long as we can. And worry about the rebuild later.

(05-17-2017 06:33 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 05:18 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 12:39 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 09:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 03:08 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  If the decision is between Zbo and Jam you have to bring back Jam. Stretch four off the bench is probably the best role for Parsons though. Not good value for 94 mil

I think it depends on the $ ...

If I can have ZBo on a 2+1 for $14M or J-Mike on a 3 for $36M ... gimme ZBo

This team isnt competing for anythng in the next few years. Its time to think long term. I would just let both of them walk before resigning a 36 year old Zbo over him

You never know. Detroit snuck in and won a championship '04. The Mavs in '11. Neither were superteams.

We are a tough out in the playoffs. We actually run an offense, teams like Houston and OKC, not so much, so when they face a team that plays defense, they stall. So we can beat some teams, although we may have less overall talent.

Look at the Spurs now. The lose Kawhi and are a shell. Lose a 25 point lead, and lose by 36 last night. We might get lucky one year and have injures break in our favor.

For the rest of the Mike and Marc era, Grizz need to put themselves in a position to be as healthy as possible come playoff time. Maybe we get lucky one year. If not, still a hell of a lot of fun.

We run an offense that is one of the worst in the league every year. The pistons had four All Stars and made the Conference finals like 6 times in a row. The Grizz have lost in the first round three out of the last four years and four out of the last six years. That Mavs team had a HoF caliber player playing lights out.

I want to do more than just scrape into the playoffs and "maybe get lucky". That's pathetic.

Pathetic would be not making the POs multiple years in a row and could be as bad as the Timberwolves. It's easy for a small market team to be really crappy really fast if we blow things up. We don't have a fan base that's going to sit around for multiple 20-30 win seasons which would damage a lot of the Grizz brand.

I know it's a big IF ... but IF Chandler Parsons can return to his old self (or even close to that) then we have a really solid "Big 3" with some above average role players to throw in the mix. Then IF 2 of our young guys can just become decent role players ...this roster is really solid.

Championship level? No. But a competitive playoff team- sure!

I don't think those IFs are out of the question.

(05-17-2017 10:46 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  I know it's a big IF ... but IF Chandler Parsons can return to his old self (or even close to that) then we have a really solid "Big 3" with some above average role players to throw in the mix. Then IF 2 of our young guys can just become decent role players ...this roster is really solid.

Championship level? No. But a competitive playoff team- sure!

I don't think those IFs are out of the question.

It is a shame for us that the Spurs maintain the level of competition they have managed over so many years.