(05-15-2017 10:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  If you were a recruit considering Memphis, would you be encouraged by what some of you so-called fans have to say about the coach & the school administration publicly on this forum? What about the recruits we do have already that are roundly criticized here as not measuring up? Does any of this acrimony communicated here toward the staff & admin help our basketball program?

A very good post. Unfortunately I don't think it will stop. It's disappointing.

(05-15-2017 09:58 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:52 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:48 AM)mairving Wrote:  It was known when we hired Tubby that he either will not or can not recruit high level talent. The hope was that he would get enough talent out of Memphis that he could win at a high level. One of the reasons he wanted the job (besides the big $$$) was because of the talent available in Memphis. So far we have one player on the team from Memphis that he didn't even recruit. 3 other Memphis players are no longer on the team. No players from Memphis are coming in next year. No players from Memphis have committed for the next year either.

So if he can't recruit well nationally and can't recruit well locally we aren't going to have a very high ceiling. He has no player getters on staff. Instead he has one assistant that looks at the JUCO ranks for players. You can't fill your roster with JUCO guys. They are good to fill holes is about all. He has another assistant that is looking for players at D2 and D3 levels who has whiffed even at that (thank God). The other guy is looking at local talent with no success at all so far. So we get players that are low to mid level D1 talent. Sure Tubby is a good coach and can coach them up but that doesn't get you to the 2nd weekend in the NCAA's at best. It also doesn't really set you up well for after he leaves since the talent level is low.

A good coach doesn't need a staff of recruiters...they get out there and do it themselves.

When Cal really wants a kid he doesn't send assts...he would go do it himself.

Cal is the closer but he was sending Pastner, Kellogg, Barbee and WWW to do the legwork. Tubby is sending in Saul.

And in the meantime, other schools are recruiting Memphis hard...just like it's supposed to be done--making relationships with parents and players.

The sad thing is, as we become less and less relevant with our low level talent and years to struggle back into the competitive arena of college BB, the local players won't remember who we were.

What Tubby said about Memphis not being able to attract good players will have become truEth, though it is not truth now.

To those paying attention. Alex Lomax tore it up this past weekend in AAU play in all facets of the game. He made more than one last second shot to help Team Penny win. It was reported that he finished strong at the rim scoring. He ran the team very well. Also it seems we are getting in good with Antwann Jones. It seems Tubby is building good relationships. I'm looking forward to seeing his 2018 class. I think it's going to be good!

Sounds like a good player. I hope we get him.

(05-15-2017 12:26 PM)Tiger57 Wrote:  Sounds like a good player. I hope we get him.

Me too 57, me too!

(05-15-2017 12:13 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:58 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:52 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:48 AM)mairving Wrote:  It was known when we hired Tubby that he either will not or can not recruit high level talent. The hope was that he would get enough talent out of Memphis that he could win at a high level. One of the reasons he wanted the job (besides the big $$$) was because of the talent available in Memphis. So far we have one player on the team from Memphis that he didn't even recruit. 3 other Memphis players are no longer on the team. No players from Memphis are coming in next year. No players from Memphis have committed for the next year either.

So if he can't recruit well nationally and can't recruit well locally we aren't going to have a very high ceiling. He has no player getters on staff. Instead he has one assistant that looks at the JUCO ranks for players. You can't fill your roster with JUCO guys. They are good to fill holes is about all. He has another assistant that is looking for players at D2 and D3 levels who has whiffed even at that (thank God). The other guy is looking at local talent with no success at all so far. So we get players that are low to mid level D1 talent. Sure Tubby is a good coach and can coach them up but that doesn't get you to the 2nd weekend in the NCAA's at best. It also doesn't really set you up well for after he leaves since the talent level is low.

A good coach doesn't need a staff of recruiters...they get out there and do it themselves.

When Cal really wants a kid he doesn't send assts...he would go do it himself.

Cal is the closer but he was sending Pastner, Kellogg, Barbee and WWW to do the legwork. Tubby is sending in Saul.

And in the meantime, other schools are recruiting Memphis hard...just like it's supposed to be done--making relationships with parents and players.

The sad thing is, as we become less and less relevant with our low level talent and years to struggle back into the competitive arena of college BB, the players won't remember who we were.

What Tubby said about Memphis not being able to attract good players will have become truEth, though it is not truth now.

Fortunately, there is no truth to it, nor will there ever be any truth to it. Cal came in, convinced Scooter to stay and signed Grice, didn't run everyone off and then followed that up with Massie, Anthony Rice, Erwin and Burks and made it to the tournament his 3rd year. Pastner, who had never even been a lead assistant, convinced Coleman to stay, then signed the great class the next year and was up and running.

Any coach with any kind of a personality who is willing to work hard and has a competent staff also willing to work hard will be able to recruit at a high level here.

(05-15-2017 10:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  If you were a recruit considering Memphis, would you be encouraged by what some of you so-called fans have to say about the coach & the school administration publicly on this forum? What about the recruits we do have already that are roundly criticized here as not measuring up? Does any of this acrimony communicated here toward the staff & admin help our basketball program?

I don't bash Tubby. He's going to be our coach for a while, so figure let's make the best of it.

But wonder if any of those who worry that recruits might be negatively affected by this board have any teenage boys in their house? I do. He's a sports fan. And I guarantee you he and his friends have never even heard of this site. They also don't read the newspaper, if their parents even still get the CA.

That generation gets their info from Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram and other apps that we have not even heard of.

(05-15-2017 12:46 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  If you were a recruit considering Memphis, would you be encouraged by what some of you so-called fans have to say about the coach & the school administration publicly on this forum? What about the recruits we do have already that are roundly criticized here as not measuring up? Does any of this acrimony communicated here toward the staff & admin help our basketball program?

I don't bash Tubby. He's going to be our coach for a while, so figure let's make the best of it.

But wonder if any of those who worry that recruits might be negatively affected by this board have any teenage boys in their house? I do. He's a sports fan. And I guarantee you he and his friends have never even heard of this site. They also don't read the newspaper, if their parents even still get the CA.

That generation gets their info from Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram and other apps that we have not even heard of.

You make good points. I have a soon to be 14 year old and a 12 year old and what you say is correct. They don't look at this board but the idea of what Atlanta is saying is correct. There is without question a lot of bashing directed at the coach and it's unfortunate. You would think that Tubby has been here 7+ years and has just come off of back to back losing seasons and no NCAA tournament appearances in those seven seasons.

True Joe. Couple of things, Tiger coaches whose teams don't perform to fan expectations always get criticism. Maybe Dana Kirk is the last coach I can remember who didn't get significant criticism at some point during his tenure. And of course Dana got criticized later.

Also, Tubby has brought some of this on himself. His media appearances have been poor. It's not like he was getting cross-examined by F. Lee Bailey. Unforced errors. Tubby needs football to start to take the attention away, and he needs Jamal and Nickleberry to be good. Then people will be patient.

(05-15-2017 01:10 PM)Tigx Wrote:  True Joe. Couple of things, Tiger coaches whose teams don't perform to fan expectations always get criticism. Maybe Dana Kirk is the last coach I can remember who didn't get significant criticism at some point during his tenure. And of course Dana got criticized later.

Also, Tubby has brought some of this on himself. His media appearances have been poor. It's not like he was getting cross-examined by F. Lee Bailey. Unforced errors. Tubby needs football to start to take the attention away, and he needs Jamal and Nickleberry to be good. Then people will be patient.

Good post. That's interesting what you said about Dana not getting criticized. I wonder why that was so? Of course I was young and didn't pay attention to stuff. I remember him as a cool guy that could talk a good game. I enjoyed his radio pre and post game with Big Jack. And I loved his tv show.

(05-15-2017 12:57 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:46 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  If you were a recruit considering Memphis, would you be encouraged by what some of you so-called fans have to say about the coach & the school administration publicly on this forum? What about the recruits we do have already that are roundly criticized here as not measuring up? Does any of this acrimony communicated here toward the staff & admin help our basketball program?

I don't bash Tubby. He's going to be our coach for a while, so figure let's make the best of it.

But wonder if any of those who worry that recruits might be negatively affected by this board have any teenage boys in their house? I do. He's a sports fan. And I guarantee you he and his friends have never even heard of this site. They also don't read the newspaper, if their parents even still get the CA.

That generation gets their info from Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram and other apps that we have not even heard of.

You make good points. I have a soon to be 14 year old and a 12 year old and what you say is correct. They don't look at this board but the idea of what Atlanta is saying is correct. There is without question a lot of bashing directed at the coach and it's unfortunate. You would think that Tubby has been here 7+ years and has just come off of back to back losing seasons and no NCAA tournament appearances in those seven seasons.

Quote:You would think that Tubby has 1 measly NCAA win the last 10 seasons.

FIFY.

one

The loneliest number... other than zero

(05-15-2017 01:35 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 01:10 PM)Tigx Wrote:  True Joe. Couple of things, Tiger coaches whose teams don't perform to fan expectations always get criticism. Maybe Dana Kirk is the last coach I can remember who didn't get significant criticism at some point during his tenure. And of course Dana got criticized later.

Also, Tubby has brought some of this on himself. His media appearances have been poor. It's not like he was getting cross-examined by F. Lee Bailey. Unforced errors. Tubby needs football to start to take the attention away, and he needs Jamal and Nickleberry to be good. Then people will be patient.

Good post. That's interesting what you said about Dana not getting criticized. I wonder why that was so? Of course I was young and didn't pay attention to stuff. I remember him as a cool guy that could talk a good game. I enjoyed his radio pre and post game with Big Jack. And I loved his tv show.

Kirk was prior to Al Gore's invention.

(05-15-2017 08:33 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby is very wise. He gets to run things his way, hire his son, coach defeats by margins not seen in decades while paid millions of dollars.

+3

Post of the year candidate!!!!

(05-15-2017 05:48 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 08:33 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby is very wise. He gets to run things his way, hire his son, coach defeats by margins not seen in decades while paid millions of dollars.

+3

Post of the year candidate!!!!

Calm down turbo

(05-15-2017 05:57 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:48 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 08:33 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby is very wise. He gets to run things his way, hire his son, coach defeats by margins not seen in decades while paid millions of dollars.

+3

Post of the year candidate!!!!

Calm down turbo

Hey can I have some of your purple berries....

(05-15-2017 07:32 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:57 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 05:48 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 08:33 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Tubby is very wise. He gets to run things his way, hire his son, coach defeats by margins not seen in decades while paid millions of dollars.

+3

Post of the year candidate!!!!

Calm down turbo

Hey can I have some of your purple berries....

You'd have to drive 800 miles to get em, but they're the bombdiggitty!

"coach defeats by margins not seen in decades" with the deadwood from Memphis gone he will hard pressed to repeat this.

19/9 14/8 deadwood.

Bus throwing.

(05-15-2017 12:27 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:26 PM)Tiger57 Wrote:  Sounds like a good player. I hope we get him.

Me too 57, me too!

The 2018 recruiting class seems to be the key for Tubby to have a successful tenure at Memphis.