(05-21-2017 08:33 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?PI...MID=182735

R3 and moving on up.

Careful now...you never know what you may find out...!




Hrm.

Okay, now that that's out of my system, my .02 is that I can accept a H&H with Liberty, but a 2-1 seems like it'll be a bad look. And I'm not a fan of Liberty's politics or (especially) their anti-science stance (although I'm willing to change my opinion if, as has been indicated on this board, they're softening on the everybody-needs-to-get-fed-young-earth-ideas thing)...but my opinion isn't based on that so much as the fact that we don't need to have 2-1's with just about ANY other G5, let alone a recent move-up, even if they can pay us a ton.

(05-23-2017 07:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 07:19 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 02:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 11:31 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This is dangerous for Georgia State. They have a large set of stakeholders, many of whom aren't particularly invested in the team, who might have serious issues with LU.

I kind of expected Troy to seek out LU. And they did. Georgia State is different.

Seems to me there's a huge disconnect between the ADs and some of the stakeholders. This is also not surprising.

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As TV revenue gets cut by half in the next 10 years (as a result of cord cutting), this will engender a loss to the CFP playoff pool when its rebid out. Schools in the Belt need everyone on board when this comes along. Throwing significant portions of their community under the bus isn't the right answer IMHO.

Hey Panther student, you get to pay 3 or 4 grand a year in student fees to prop up a football program you might not care about that turns around and endorses LU. This is dangerous.

Remember, its the taxpayers of Georgia and the students at Georgia State who will be keeping that program (and all of our programs) afloat financially in the next decade or so.

Do they really need to endorse LU? For Georgia State, this appears to be counterproductive.

"Dangerous," Come on Tom, that's a bit much, it's a football game. It's the one thing we barely have left in the USA where we don't have to involve politics although the NFL and NBA are doing there best to ruin that. I suggest you look up the 1914 Christmas truce during WWI where the Germans and Brit grunts took a break from the trenches to meet each other in no mans land and played a game of soccer among other things. The next day, they went back to killing each other. If you truly want to change Liberty, then play them in football while extending your best when they come to your house to play.

The problem is that sports aren't relevant to those excluded from it. Not only are LGBT persons largely excluded from football at all levels, but non-evangelicals have difficulties in it as well. These groups, plus those that support them, are not small populations.

And it might be different if we weren't compelled to subsidize institutions that largely exclude us (and I'm not just talking about LU, but also the NFL and the NCAA - at least in the high profile sports) as a condition of going to our public university or having a cable package with Logo or the Discovery Channel in it. Or living in a big city, where we have to subsidize hundreds of million dollar payments to billionaires.

At some point, this is going to become a problem. Telling kids to borrow 10 grand over 4 years to subsidize FBS football is not going to be sustainable forever, especially if that subsidy goes to groups that exclude directly or effectively.

At a school like Troy, it might not be an issue.

Georgia State doesn't need people alienated from their program. Scheduling (affirming) LU might do that.

Do you really think that running FBS football as the almost exclusive preserve of evangelical straight males is going to really engender a desire to keep up with the massive subsides from ALL stakeholders required to compete at this level? What's in it for those effectively excluded from participation in FBS football as athletes and coaches?

So if Im getting this right your plan would be, instead of "an eye for an eye" it would be "a bigot for a bigot"?

If what you say about Liberty is true you want to do the same back to them. Sounds like a solid plan.

No I argue that non-discrimination should be a condition for participating in heavily subsidized athletics, especially since that subsidy comes from everyone.

If LU wants to be private...then be completely private. No taxpayer stadiums, no taxpayer subsidized programs paying for payday games with taxpayer or student funds.

And the same thing goes for the NFL. Let them pay their own bills instead of demanding that cities, taxpayers, and cable subscribers pay for their bills.

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This subsidy situation is getting out of control. And the problem is that there's a day of reckoning coming. The next CFP contract is going to suck, and that will result in a huge haircut in revenue. That will cascade down to the G5 programs, in the form of lower CFP payouts and probably lower payday game payouts too. This will put increasing pressure on our programs to provide more funding from the taxpayers and students to keep our programs running. Make your program irrelevant at best and hostile at worse to a large segment of your stakeholders and it might not end well.

Accommodating LU's discrimination just reminds people of the de facto exclusion of all LGBT people from all coaching and virtually all player positions in FBS (next year there will be one openly Gay player in FBS...last year there were zero ...and there are 11,030 roster slots in FBS). And then there's the problem with access for non-evangelicals too, who are grossly underrepresented. Asking students to borrow 12 grand over 4 years to subsidize an evangelical straights only club that they have little or no access to the benefits from isn't going to be sustainable forever. This really isn't about LU (although LU's policies are so brazen and so overt, as to be obscenely offensive), but about how we continue to sell our programs to the people we need to to keep them alive.

The NCAA and our teams should be trying to figure out how to include more people in their FBS program. Adding LU is just saying 'here's the middle finger - now pay me money'.

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And it can hurt in fundraising too.

Agreed on the subsidy thing, it's out of control. If you don't like Liberty's policy's don't attend school there and don't solicit employment there. Bonus points for rabidly cheering on your school when they come to town because of your hatred for them. Liberty is private and doesn't seem to be struggling with cash, I guess enough people in the open market support their curriculum. Like I said earlier, I don't necessarily support all of their agenda (much like BYU), but I damn sure believe they have the right to believe in what they want to. To bring it full circle, you have the same right Tom, to believe what you want to and live your life as you see fit.

(05-23-2017 07:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 07:19 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 02:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 11:31 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This is dangerous for Georgia State. They have a large set of stakeholders, many of whom aren't particularly invested in the team, who might have serious issues with LU.

I kind of expected Troy to seek out LU. And they did. Georgia State is different.

Seems to me there's a huge disconnect between the ADs and some of the stakeholders. This is also not surprising.

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As TV revenue gets cut by half in the next 10 years (as a result of cord cutting), this will engender a loss to the CFP playoff pool when its rebid out. Schools in the Belt need everyone on board when this comes along. Throwing significant portions of their community under the bus isn't the right answer IMHO.

Hey Panther student, you get to pay 3 or 4 grand a year in student fees to prop up a football program you might not care about that turns around and endorses LU. This is dangerous.

Remember, its the taxpayers of Georgia and the students at Georgia State who will be keeping that program (and all of our programs) afloat financially in the next decade or so.

Do they really need to endorse LU? For Georgia State, this appears to be counterproductive.

"Dangerous," Come on Tom, that's a bit much, it's a football game. It's the one thing we barely have left in the USA where we don't have to involve politics although the NFL and NBA are doing there best to ruin that. I suggest you look up the 1914 Christmas truce during WWI where the Germans and Brit grunts took a break from the trenches to meet each other in no mans land and played a game of soccer among other things. The next day, they went back to killing each other. If you truly want to change Liberty, then play them in football while extending your best when they come to your house to play.

The problem is that sports aren't relevant to those excluded from it. Not only are LGBT persons largely excluded from football at all levels, but non-evangelicals have difficulties in it as well. These groups, plus those that support them, are not small populations.

And it might be different if we weren't compelled to subsidize institutions that largely exclude us (and I'm not just talking about LU, but also the NFL and the NCAA - at least in the high profile sports) as a condition of going to our public university or having a cable package with Logo or the Discovery Channel in it. Or living in a big city, where we have to subsidize hundreds of million dollar payments to billionaires.

At some point, this is going to become a problem. Telling kids to borrow 10 grand over 4 years to subsidize FBS football is not going to be sustainable forever, especially if that subsidy goes to groups that exclude directly or effectively.

At a school like Troy, it might not be an issue.

Georgia State doesn't need people alienated from their program. Scheduling (affirming) LU might do that.

Do you really think that running FBS football as the almost exclusive preserve of evangelical straight males is going to really engender a desire to keep up with the massive subsides from ALL stakeholders required to compete at this level? What's in it for those effectively excluded from participation in FBS football as athletes and coaches?

So if Im getting this right your plan would be, instead of "an eye for an eye" it would be "a bigot for a bigot"?

If what you say about Liberty is true you want to do the same back to them. Sounds like a solid plan.

No I argue that non-discrimination should be a condition for participating in heavily subsidized athletics, especially since that subsidy comes from everyone.

If LU wants to be private...then be completely private. No taxpayer stadiums, no taxpayer subsidized programs paying for payday games with taxpayer or student funds.

And the same thing goes for the NFL. Let them pay their own bills instead of demanding that cities, taxpayers, and cable subscribers pay for their bills.

---

This subsidy situation is getting out of control. And the problem is that there's a day of reckoning coming. The next CFP contract is going to suck, and that will result in a huge haircut in revenue. That will cascade down to the G5 programs, in the form of lower CFP payouts and probably lower payday game payouts too. This will put increasing pressure on our programs to provide more funding from the taxpayers and students to keep our programs running. Make your program irrelevant at best and hostile at worse to a large segment of your stakeholders and it might not end well.

Accommodating LU's discrimination just reminds people of the de facto exclusion of all LGBT people from all coaching and virtually all player positions in FBS (next year there will be one openly Gay player in FBS...last year there were zero ...and there are 11,030 roster slots in FBS). And then there's the problem with access for non-evangelicals too, who are grossly underrepresented. Asking students to borrow 12 grand over 4 years to subsidize an evangelical straights only club that they have little or no access to the benefits from isn't going to be sustainable forever. This really isn't about LU (although LU's policies are so brazen and so overt, as to be obscenely offensive), but about how we continue to sell our programs to the people we need to to keep them alive.

The NCAA and our teams should be trying to figure out how to include more people in their FBS program. Adding LU is just saying 'here's the middle finger - now pay me money'.

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And it can hurt in fundraising too.

So discriminate only against the one you dont care for?
I have a hard time understanding how the tolerant want to avoid those who disagree with them? Sounds like your intolerant and discriminatory.

(05-23-2017 09:57 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 07:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 07:19 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 02:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 11:31 AM)Shox Wrote:  "Dangerous," Come on Tom, that's a bit much, it's a football game. It's the one thing we barely have left in the USA where we don't have to involve politics although the NFL and NBA are doing there best to ruin that. I suggest you look up the 1914 Christmas truce during WWI where the Germans and Brit grunts took a break from the trenches to meet each other in no mans land and played a game of soccer among other things. The next day, they went back to killing each other. If you truly want to change Liberty, then play them in football while extending your best when they come to your house to play.

The problem is that sports aren't relevant to those excluded from it. Not only are LGBT persons largely excluded from football at all levels, but non-evangelicals have difficulties in it as well. These groups, plus those that support them, are not small populations.

And it might be different if we weren't compelled to subsidize institutions that largely exclude us (and I'm not just talking about LU, but also the NFL and the NCAA - at least in the high profile sports) as a condition of going to our public university or having a cable package with Logo or the Discovery Channel in it. Or living in a big city, where we have to subsidize hundreds of million dollar payments to billionaires.

At some point, this is going to become a problem. Telling kids to borrow 10 grand over 4 years to subsidize FBS football is not going to be sustainable forever, especially if that subsidy goes to groups that exclude directly or effectively.

At a school like Troy, it might not be an issue.

Georgia State doesn't need people alienated from their program. Scheduling (affirming) LU might do that.

Do you really think that running FBS football as the almost exclusive preserve of evangelical straight males is going to really engender a desire to keep up with the massive subsides from ALL stakeholders required to compete at this level? What's in it for those effectively excluded from participation in FBS football as athletes and coaches?

So if Im getting this right your plan would be, instead of "an eye for an eye" it would be "a bigot for a bigot"?

If what you say about Liberty is true you want to do the same back to them. Sounds like a solid plan.

No I argue that non-discrimination should be a condition for participating in heavily subsidized athletics, especially since that subsidy comes from everyone.

If LU wants to be private...then be completely private. No taxpayer stadiums, no taxpayer subsidized programs paying for payday games with taxpayer or student funds.

And the same thing goes for the NFL. Let them pay their own bills instead of demanding that cities, taxpayers, and cable subscribers pay for their bills.

---

This subsidy situation is getting out of control. And the problem is that there's a day of reckoning coming. The next CFP contract is going to suck, and that will result in a huge haircut in revenue. That will cascade down to the G5 programs, in the form of lower CFP payouts and probably lower payday game payouts too. This will put increasing pressure on our programs to provide more funding from the taxpayers and students to keep our programs running. Make your program irrelevant at best and hostile at worse to a large segment of your stakeholders and it might not end well.

Accommodating LU's discrimination just reminds people of the de facto exclusion of all LGBT people from all coaching and virtually all player positions in FBS (next year there will be one openly Gay player in FBS...last year there were zero ...and there are 11,030 roster slots in FBS). And then there's the problem with access for non-evangelicals too, who are grossly underrepresented. Asking students to borrow 12 grand over 4 years to subsidize an evangelical straights only club that they have little or no access to the benefits from isn't going to be sustainable forever. This really isn't about LU (although LU's policies are so brazen and so overt, as to be obscenely offensive), but about how we continue to sell our programs to the people we need to to keep them alive.

The NCAA and our teams should be trying to figure out how to include more people in their FBS program. Adding LU is just saying 'here's the middle finger - now pay me money'.

---

And it can hurt in fundraising too.

So discriminate only against the one you dont care for?
I have a hard time understanding how the tolerant want to avoid those who disagree with them? Sounds like your intolerant and discriminatory.

I maintain that all the benefits of FBS football should be open to all, without discrimination on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation.

Evangelicals can and do contribute to all FBS programs.

I think that if a school wants to discriminate, they shouldn't be taking ANY taxpayer subsidies, period. Liberty is taking subsidies. They're playing in taxpayer paid for venues, they're getting paid payday game payments by taxpayer supported programs, etc.

Hope that helps.

Thought Liberty was private. As far as not taking pay for playing the games. Stupidest thing I have ever heard. It would be nice if you took your agenda some place else and let us discuss sports on here.

(05-23-2017 10:18 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Thought Liberty was private. As far as not taking pay for playing the games. Stupidest thing I have ever heard. It would be nice if you took your agenda some place else and let us discuss sports on here.

If the taxpayers or students at a public university are compelled to provide funds used to pay Liberty, then is it really 100% private?

Remember that the day is coming when even Arkansas State might need the support of ALL of their community to respond to a crisis in funding that is probably coming when the CFP contract gets renegotiated. Remember that there are powerful forces (Razorbacks in the state legislature in your case) that could align with disaffected stAte students to try and cripple your program.

Lets face facts, even stAte does a poor job getting students to bother showing up to the games, even though they're now paying more and more in student activity fees to sustain the team. This is a problem at ALL of our schools. Why do you think that the students aren't showing up at the games? I think there are many reasons, but for many students, the football team isn't relevant to them. The FBS teams at many of our schools appear to be run for and by one segment of the community only. it also appears that many of our Athletic Departments live in bubble too. This is a problem and contains a danger. Adding more schools that double down on the discrimination and exclusion of others is not helping solving this problem. Why should a non-evangelical or LGBT person have to borrow an extra couple of grand to pay for student activities fees for your football program when they have no interest in them going to games?

Here's a number for you 1. That's the number of openly Gay FBS scholarship players in the history of FBS football. Around 11,000 people are on those rosters every year. 1 player. Ever. What percentage of FBS players are Jewish? Hindu? Muslim? Agnostic/Atheist? By the way none of those people can be hired at LU as a coach and I don't think any school in the Belt has ever had a non-straight Christian football coach - ever. And I'd be hard pressed to name any player in the histories of any of our football programs that wasn't a straight Christian (perhaps a kicker). Now whats the percentage of stAte students that are members of those groups paying subsidies for stAte football?

And its not just your school that you have to watch out for. If any state manages to stop the student subsidy, immediate pressure will be applied to ALL of our schools, almost immediately as it is in the interest of the SEC or ACC schools to do it.

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Can you imagine a vote led by the Razorbacks to end student subsidies of football teams using student fees if say, 30 percent or more of the students say "I don't want to pay that fee?" Your program could be undone by your own students.

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The larger problem isn't just that LU openly discriminates against non-evangelicals and LGBT persons in athletic participation and hiring. Its that virtually ALL the other programs pretty much have the same result as LU, even if they don't have specific prohibitions. And they don't seem to care about it. At all. Empty student section? Who cares? Maybe a time will come when they'll need to care. By then, it will be too late.

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I think the big Achilles heel all of our programs have is the disconnect between the students paying the fees and the Athletic Departments. The students, for whatever reason, are largely indifferent to our teams while being compelled to pay huge subsidies for those teams. I maintain that part of the problem is related to relevance. Playing LU is at, best not helping expand the relevance of your football program to marginalized groups in FBS, and at worst, its shooting them the bird while handing them a big fat bill.

If you care about your football team, you might wish to consider how you might get the people who currently have no stake in your program to support it. Or you can continue to do what we're all doing, which is largely drawing flies to our student sections during football games as the teams continue to market and draw from the same part of the community and hope that nothing happens to upset that apple cart. As far as I see it, the apple cart has a real wobbly wheel, is moving at a high rate of speed, and there's a huge pothole ahead.

(05-23-2017 11:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 10:18 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Thought Liberty was private. As far as not taking pay for playing the games. Stupidest thing I have ever heard. It would be nice if you took your agenda some place else and let us discuss sports on here.

If the taxpayers or students at a public university are compelled to provide funds used to pay Liberty, then is it really 100% private?

Remember that the day is coming when even Arkansas State might need the support of ALL of their community to respond to a crisis in funding that is probably coming when the CFP contract gets renegotiated. Remember that there are powerful forces (Razorbacks in the state legislature in your case) that could align with disaffected stAte students to try and cripple your program.

Lets face facts, even stAte does a poor job getting students to bother showing up to the games, even though they're now paying more and more in student activity fees to sustain the team. This is a problem at ALL of our schools. Why do you think that the students aren't showing up at the games? I think there are many reasons, but for many students, the football team isn't relevant to them. The FBS teams at many of our schools appear to be run for and by one segment of the community only. it also appears that many of our Athletic Departments live in bubble too. This is a problem and contains a danger. Adding more schools that double down on the discrimination and exclusion of others is not helping solving this problem. Why should a non-evangelical or LGBT person have to borrow an extra couple of grand to pay for student activities fees for your football program when they have no interest in them going to games?

Here's a number for you 1. That's the number of openly Gay FBS scholarship players in the history of FBS football. Around 11,000 people are on those rosters every year. 1 player. Ever. What percentage of FBS players are Jewish? Hindu? Muslim? Agnostic/Atheist? By the way none of those people can be hired at LU as a coach and I don't think any school in the Belt has ever had a non-straight Christian football coach - ever. And I'd be hard pressed to name any player in the histories of any of our football programs that wasn't a straight Christian (perhaps a kicker). Now whats the percentage of stAte students that are members of those groups paying subsidies for stAte football?

And its not just your school that you have to watch out for. If any state manages to stop the student subsidy, immediate pressure will be applied to ALL of our schools, almost immediately as it is in the interest of the SEC or ACC schools to do it.

---

Can you imagine a vote led by the Razorbacks to end student subsidies of football teams using student fees if say, 30 percent or more of the students say "I don't want to pay that fee?" Your program could be undone by your own students.

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The larger problem isn't just that LU openly discriminates against non-evangelicals and LGBT persons in athletic participation and hiring. Its that virtually ALL the other programs pretty much have the same result as LU, even if they don't have specific prohibitions. And they don't seem to care about it. At all. Empty student section? Who cares? Maybe a time will come when they'll need to care. By then, it will be too late.

---

I think the big Achilles heel all of our programs have is the disconnect between the students paying the fees and the Athletic Departments. The students, for whatever reason, are largely indifferent to our teams while being compelled to pay huge subsidies for those teams. I maintain that part of the problem is related to relevance. Playing LU is at, best not helping expand the relevance of your football program to marginalized groups in FBS, and at worst, its shooting them the bird while handing them a big fat bill.

If you care about your football team, you might wish to consider how you might get the people who currently have no stake in your program to support it. Or you can continue to do what we're all doing, which is largely drawing flies to our student sections during football games as the teams continue to market and draw from the same part of the community and hope that nothing happens to upset that apple cart. As far as I see it, the apple cart has a real wobbly wheel, is moving at a high rate of speed, and there's a huge pothole ahead.

Did someone get lost on their way to the psychiatric ward?

(05-24-2017 12:09 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 11:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 10:18 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Thought Liberty was private. As far as not taking pay for playing the games. Stupidest thing I have ever heard. It would be nice if you took your agenda some place else and let us discuss sports on here.

If the taxpayers or students at a public university are compelled to provide funds used to pay Liberty, then is it really 100% private?

Remember that the day is coming when even Arkansas State might need the support of ALL of their community to respond to a crisis in funding that is probably coming when the CFP contract gets renegotiated. Remember that there are powerful forces (Razorbacks in the state legislature in your case) that could align with disaffected stAte students to try and cripple your program.

Lets face facts, even stAte does a poor job getting students to bother showing up to the games, even though they're now paying more and more in student activity fees to sustain the team. This is a problem at ALL of our schools. Why do you think that the students aren't showing up at the games? I think there are many reasons, but for many students, the football team isn't relevant to them. The FBS teams at many of our schools appear to be run for and by one segment of the community only. it also appears that many of our Athletic Departments live in bubble too. This is a problem and contains a danger. Adding more schools that double down on the discrimination and exclusion of others is not helping solving this problem. Why should a non-evangelical or LGBT person have to borrow an extra couple of grand to pay for student activities fees for your football program when they have no interest in them going to games?

Here's a number for you 1. That's the number of openly Gay FBS scholarship players in the history of FBS football. Around 11,000 people are on those rosters every year. 1 player. Ever. What percentage of FBS players are Jewish? Hindu? Muslim? Agnostic/Atheist? By the way none of those people can be hired at LU as a coach and I don't think any school in the Belt has ever had a non-straight Christian football coach - ever. And I'd be hard pressed to name any player in the histories of any of our football programs that wasn't a straight Christian (perhaps a kicker). Now whats the percentage of stAte students that are members of those groups paying subsidies for stAte football?

And its not just your school that you have to watch out for. If any state manages to stop the student subsidy, immediate pressure will be applied to ALL of our schools, almost immediately as it is in the interest of the SEC or ACC schools to do it.

---

Can you imagine a vote led by the Razorbacks to end student subsidies of football teams using student fees if say, 30 percent or more of the students say "I don't want to pay that fee?" Your program could be undone by your own students.

---

The larger problem isn't just that LU openly discriminates against non-evangelicals and LGBT persons in athletic participation and hiring. Its that virtually ALL the other programs pretty much have the same result as LU, even if they don't have specific prohibitions. And they don't seem to care about it. At all. Empty student section? Who cares? Maybe a time will come when they'll need to care. By then, it will be too late.

---

I think the big Achilles heel all of our programs have is the disconnect between the students paying the fees and the Athletic Departments. The students, for whatever reason, are largely indifferent to our teams while being compelled to pay huge subsidies for those teams. I maintain that part of the problem is related to relevance. Playing LU is at, best not helping expand the relevance of your football program to marginalized groups in FBS, and at worst, its shooting them the bird while handing them a big fat bill.

If you care about your football team, you might wish to consider how you might get the people who currently have no stake in your program to support it. Or you can continue to do what we're all doing, which is largely drawing flies to our student sections during football games as the teams continue to market and draw from the same part of the community and hope that nothing happens to upset that apple cart. As far as I see it, the apple cart has a real wobbly wheel, is moving at a high rate of speed, and there's a huge pothole ahead.

Did someone get lost on their way to the psychiatric ward?

Maybe it was a Coastal fan that has already forgotten the problems Coastal has with its state government over student subsidy funding...Don't think that ANY of our programs are permanently out of the woods. I expect the net impact of the new CFP contract to equal a 30 to 40 percent drop in non-ticket sales revenue for each of our teams. We need to be working on revenue that isn't dependent on cable must take contracts. The CFP payout and the payday games largely are dependent upon that.

Don't think that Moglia is going to write a check big enough to cover a 10 million dollar a year hole, especially if he understands that he'd have to do it forever to keep the program afloat. He's not an idiot. And remember, some other teams will go under as a result of this, which will bring into question ALL of the student funding mechanisms at our schools. Basically, CCU's revenue will mainly be the CFP payout, TV money, payday game payments and student fees. The CFP contract will impact the first 3 of those.

And how many of Coastal's students have never been to a Coastal football game ever? I wonder what percentage of CCU's sizeable non-evangelical, or LGBT, or international students would be in that group of 'never been' to a CCU game? What is your team doing to make their increased investment in CCU football relevant to them?

And what is CCU doing to help make their team relevant to those groups? Here's a hint....playing Liberty isn't going to make them interested in CCU football (it certainly didn't in the past)....its more likely going to make them question why their AD would spend their money to play them in the first place. Or they'll just simply continue to ignore your team, thinking it to be indifferent at best and hostile at worst to them and people like them.

It is true that the groups marginalized by FBS football are also politically marginalized in all of our states. But be careful, its possible that the political environment can change enough to allow those students who don't want to pay the fee to be politically acceptable enough for the Clemson and Gamecock legislators to work together so that the CCU students who don't want to pay for football get a huge tuition decrease and USCe and Clemson get to demolish CCU's program.

(05-23-2017 02:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 11:31 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:30 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Don't do it Georgia State. the two for one part.

Quote:Liberty and Georgia State have had extensive communications with the the possibility of a home and home or even a 2-for-1 deal with Georgia State making two trips to Lynchburg and the Flames making just one trip to Atlanta. Each of the Panthers’ trips to Lynchburg would be accompanied by a financial guarantee from Liberty in the 2-for-1 situation.

http://www.aseaofred.com/whos-had-conver...cheduling/

This is dangerous for Georgia State. They have a large set of stakeholders, many of whom aren't particularly invested in the team, who might have serious issues with LU.

I kind of expected Troy to seek out LU. And they did. Georgia State is different.

Seems to me there's a huge disconnect between the ADs and some of the stakeholders. This is also not surprising.

----

As TV revenue gets cut by half in the next 10 years (as a result of cord cutting), this will engender a loss to the CFP playoff pool when its rebid out. Schools in the Belt need everyone on board when this comes along. Throwing significant portions of their community under the bus isn't the right answer IMHO.

Hey Panther student, you get to pay 3 or 4 grand a year in student fees to prop up a football program you might not care about that turns around and endorses LU. This is dangerous.

Remember, its the taxpayers of Georgia and the students at Georgia State who will be keeping that program (and all of our programs) afloat financially in the next decade or so.

Do they really need to endorse LU? For Georgia State, this appears to be counterproductive.

"Dangerous," Come on Tom, that's a bit much, it's a football game. It's the one thing we barely have left in the USA where we don't have to involve politics although the NFL and NBA are doing there best to ruin that. I suggest you look up the 1914 Christmas truce during WWI where the Germans and Brit grunts took a break from the trenches to meet each other in no mans land and played a game of soccer among other things. The next day, they went back to killing each other. If you truly want to change Liberty, then play them in football while extending your best when they come to your house to play.

The problem is that sports aren't relevant to those excluded from it. Not only are LGBT persons largely excluded from football at all levels, but non-evangelicals have difficulties in it as well. These groups, plus those that support them, are not small populations.

And it might be different if we weren't compelled to subsidize institutions that largely exclude us (and I'm not just talking about LU, but also the NFL and the NCAA - at least in the high profile sports) as a condition of going to our public university or having a cable package with Logo or the Discovery Channel in it. Or living in a big city, where we have to subsidize hundreds of million dollar payments to billionaires.

At some point, this is going to become a problem. Telling kids to borrow 10 grand over 4 years to subsidize FBS football is not going to be sustainable forever, especially if that subsidy goes to groups that exclude directly or effectively.

At a school like Troy, it might not be an issue.

Georgia State doesn't need people alienated from their program. Scheduling (affirming) LU might do that.

Do you really think that running FBS football as the almost exclusive preserve of evangelical straight males is going to really engender a desire to keep up with the massive subsides from ALL stakeholders required to compete at this level? What's in it for those effectively excluded from participation in FBS football as athletes and coaches?

Just when one thinks your rants can't go any lower, now LU will be to blame for their attendance and perception woes because GaSt schedules them. There's a screw loose that needs to be tightened.

(05-24-2017 12:16 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-24-2017 12:09 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 11:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 10:18 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Thought Liberty was private. As far as not taking pay for playing the games. Stupidest thing I have ever heard. It would be nice if you took your agenda some place else and let us discuss sports on here.

If the taxpayers or students at a public university are compelled to provide funds used to pay Liberty, then is it really 100% private?

Remember that the day is coming when even Arkansas State might need the support of ALL of their community to respond to a crisis in funding that is probably coming when the CFP contract gets renegotiated. Remember that there are powerful forces (Razorbacks in the state legislature in your case) that could align with disaffected stAte students to try and cripple your program.

Lets face facts, even stAte does a poor job getting students to bother showing up to the games, even though they're now paying more and more in student activity fees to sustain the team. This is a problem at ALL of our schools. Why do you think that the students aren't showing up at the games? I think there are many reasons, but for many students, the football team isn't relevant to them. The FBS teams at many of our schools appear to be run for and by one segment of the community only. it also appears that many of our Athletic Departments live in bubble too. This is a problem and contains a danger. Adding more schools that double down on the discrimination and exclusion of others is not helping solving this problem. Why should a non-evangelical or LGBT person have to borrow an extra couple of grand to pay for student activities fees for your football program when they have no interest in them going to games?

Here's a number for you 1. That's the number of openly Gay FBS scholarship players in the history of FBS football. Around 11,000 people are on those rosters every year. 1 player. Ever. What percentage of FBS players are Jewish? Hindu? Muslim? Agnostic/Atheist? By the way none of those people can be hired at LU as a coach and I don't think any school in the Belt has ever had a non-straight Christian football coach - ever. And I'd be hard pressed to name any player in the histories of any of our football programs that wasn't a straight Christian (perhaps a kicker). Now whats the percentage of stAte students that are members of those groups paying subsidies for stAte football?

And its not just your school that you have to watch out for. If any state manages to stop the student subsidy, immediate pressure will be applied to ALL of our schools, almost immediately as it is in the interest of the SEC or ACC schools to do it.

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Can you imagine a vote led by the Razorbacks to end student subsidies of football teams using student fees if say, 30 percent or more of the students say "I don't want to pay that fee?" Your program could be undone by your own students.

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The larger problem isn't just that LU openly discriminates against non-evangelicals and LGBT persons in athletic participation and hiring. Its that virtually ALL the other programs pretty much have the same result as LU, even if they don't have specific prohibitions. And they don't seem to care about it. At all. Empty student section? Who cares? Maybe a time will come when they'll need to care. By then, it will be too late.

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I think the big Achilles heel all of our programs have is the disconnect between the students paying the fees and the Athletic Departments. The students, for whatever reason, are largely indifferent to our teams while being compelled to pay huge subsidies for those teams. I maintain that part of the problem is related to relevance. Playing LU is at, best not helping expand the relevance of your football program to marginalized groups in FBS, and at worst, its shooting them the bird while handing them a big fat bill.

If you care about your football team, you might wish to consider how you might get the people who currently have no stake in your program to support it. Or you can continue to do what we're all doing, which is largely drawing flies to our student sections during football games as the teams continue to market and draw from the same part of the community and hope that nothing happens to upset that apple cart. As far as I see it, the apple cart has a real wobbly wheel, is moving at a high rate of speed, and there's a huge pothole ahead.

Did someone get lost on their way to the psychiatric ward?

Maybe it was a Coastal fan that has already forgotten the problems Coastal has with its state government over student subsidy funding...Don't think that ANY of our programs are permanently out of the woods. I expect the net impact of the new CFP contract to equal a 30 to 40 percent drop in non-ticket sales revenue for each of our teams. We need to be working on revenue that isn't dependent on cable must take contracts. The CFP payout and the payday games largely are dependent upon that.

Don't think that Moglia is going to write a check big enough to cover a 10 million dollar a year hole, especially if he understands that he'd have to do it forever to keep the program afloat. He's not an idiot. And remember, some other teams will go under as a result of this, which will bring into question ALL of the student funding mechanisms at our schools. Basically, CCU's revenue will mainly be the CFP payout, TV money, payday game payments and student fees. The CFP contract will impact the first 3 of those.

And how many of Coastal's students have never been to a Coastal football game ever? I wonder what percentage of CCU's sizeable non-evangelical, or LGBT, or international students would be in that group of 'never been' to a CCU game? What is your team doing to make their increased investment in CCU football relevant to them?

And what is CCU doing to help make their team relevant to those groups? Here's a hint....playing Liberty isn't going to make them interested in CCU football (it certainly didn't in the past)....its more likely going to make them question why their AD would spend their money to play them in the first place. Or they'll just simply continue to ignore your team, thinking it to be indifferent at best and hostile at worst to them and people like them.

It is true that the groups marginalized by FBS football are also politically marginalized in all of our states. But be careful, its possible that the political environment can change enough to allow those students who don't want to pay the fee to be politically acceptable enough for the Clemson and Gamecock legislators to work together so that the CCU students who don't want to pay for football get a huge tuition decrease and USCe and Clemson get to demolish CCU's program.

Your uncontrollable, compulsive, incoherent and obsessive views towards LU displayed here for years now seems to be your life mission in discrediting LU. If you placed 1/10 of the time and effort into being proactive on your mission in life, which is clearly to advance the rights of the LGBT community, which myself and many posters support, your efforts would be rewarded and productive. The continual harassment, badgering and unfound and false points you continually raise only show the obsession of yours views and weakens and alienates those who you are so desperately trying to convince on your side. It's a fundamentalist world view. By placing so much time, effort and emphasis on what you dislike, a more productive use of energy would be to be supportive of the issues your espouse.

(05-23-2017 12:13 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 11:49 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:30 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Don't do it Georgia State. the two for one part.

Quote:Liberty and Georgia State have had extensive communications with the the possibility of a home and home or even a 2-for-1 deal with Georgia State making two trips to Lynchburg and the Flames making just one trip to Atlanta. Each of the Panthers’ trips to Lynchburg would be accompanied by a financial guarantee from Liberty in the 2-for-1 situation.

http://www.aseaofred.com/whos-had-conver...cheduling/

This is dangerous for Georgia State. They have a large set of stakeholders, many of whom aren't particularly invested in the team, who might have serious issues with LU.

I kind of expected Troy to seek out LU. And they did. Georgia State is different.

Seems to me there's a huge disconnect between the ADs and some of the stakeholders. This is also not surprising.

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As TV revenue gets cut by half in the next 10 years (as a result of cord cutting), this will engender a loss to the CFP playoff pool when its rebid out. Schools in the Belt need everyone on board when this comes along. Throwing significant portions of their community under the bus isn't the right answer IMHO.

Hey Panther student, you get to pay 3 or 4 grand a year in student fees to prop up a football program you might not care about that turns around and endorses LU. This is dangerous.

Remember, its the taxpayers of Georgia and the students at Georgia State who will be keeping that program (and all of our programs) afloat financially in the next decade or so.

Do they really need to endorse LU? For Georgia State, this appears to be counterproductive.

A bigger issue is people seeing Liberty on the home schedule and deciding to do something else that Saturday.

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So people will show up for Chattanooga, Idaho or ULM but not Liberty? If there is as much hate for them that this board claims, one would think fans would pack the stadium to watch their beloved alma mater beat the tar out of them.

No they won't. But they will for North Carolina and Vandy

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(05-23-2017 02:11 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 01:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 12:13 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:50 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:20 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  Well this is a little upsetting but upon further review not so much. Here's the thing, we are going to have 2 Home games, and 2 Away every year. Those away games should have a least one tied to a 6 to 7 figure paycheck for our trip. Last I checked Liberty was in the state of Virginia and they trade in the US Dollar. I'd just as soon play in a 25k seat stadium of Independent Liberty and get the chance of leaving with a Million bucks and a Win than another 95K seat SEC bloodbath against Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee that we are accustomed to scheduling.
We have a Home opening in 2020. We also need a money game in 2022, and aside from Vandy (SEC) coming in, we are open for takers in 2024. I say accept the cash.

2020
09/12 - at Alabama
09/19 - Savannah State
09/26 - at Charlotte

2022
09/10 - North Carolina
09/17 - Charlotte
10/01 - at Army

2024
09/28 - Vanderbilt

I love playing Curb Your Enthusiasm

A Liberty game in Atlanta will draw flies. We have been there done that. And maybe 20 people trek to Lynchburg. At least you get a check I guess. If this is the scehduling philosophy we can stop at Phase I with this stadium.

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Any game you have that isn't a p5 or Georgia southern is going to draw flies. And the only reason those two options will draw is because the other team will likely bring fans. Shouldn't have to rely on the other team to have a draw though.

Always Wrong

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Except ive been to some of your games. Let's be real, the team has NO buzz around ATL and unless it's Georgia Southern or a team with a lot of fans you'll have 1,000 people there regardless. Why act like everyone here hasn't already seen that?

I was at the GS game last fall and yes they had a lot of fans but let's be real the crowd was 70% GSU. GS by the way is the only school in 7 years has ever bought more than 3k away fans to one of our games. So again Always Wrong.

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(05-23-2017 02:32 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 02:11 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 01:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 12:13 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:50 AM)panama Wrote:  I love playing Curb Your Enthusiasm

A Liberty game in Atlanta will draw flies. We have been there done that. And maybe 20 people trek to Lynchburg. At least you get a check I guess. If this is the scehduling philosophy we can stop at Phase I with this stadium.

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Any game you have that isn't a p5 or Georgia southern is going to draw flies. And the only reason those two options will draw is because the other team will likely bring fans. Shouldn't have to rely on the other team to have a draw though.

Always Wrong

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Except ive been to some of your games. Let's be real, the team has NO buzz around ATL and unless it's Georgia Southern or a team with a lot of fans you'll have 1,000 people there regardless. Why act like everyone here hasn't already seen that?

He isn't wrong, it's a fact, Georgia State is one of the worst attend football programs in the nation.

Aren't you a Coastal fan. Let me know when you get enough seats in your stadium to match our average. And GSU isn't one of the worst attended in the country. It IS one of the most reported because our former beat writer was butthurt because he lost the GT beat and had to report on us for 5 years. So he set out to trolling our program. I watch more football than most humans and I tell you I have seen crowds of dozens for a lot of programs over the last 8 years or so including some with P6 stickers and e en a couple who are now in the ACC. So what. And oh yeah if you win 4 or 5 games over years nobody is coming down to your games downtown from Alpharetta or Marietta. The point is if you are building a 33k seat brand spanking new stadium build a schedule to match. If I am at work and tell coworkers that oh yeah we have Liberty this weekend what is their reaction. "Oh yeah, Division 2 is cool too...I guess". This is is a city with alumni from every SEC and ACC school. It's within 5 or 6 hours driving of about 11 or 12 schools. The challenges of attracting fans at a city school in the South are different than say being App or ECU or GS. Sometimes it seems like our Athletic Department does not get that.







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(05-24-2017 06:49 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 02:11 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 01:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 12:13 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:50 AM)panama Wrote:  I love playing Curb Your Enthusiasm

A Liberty game in Atlanta will draw flies. We have been there done that. And maybe 20 people trek to Lynchburg. At least you get a check I guess. If this is the scehduling philosophy we can stop at Phase I with this stadium.

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Any game you have that isn't a p5 or Georgia southern is going to draw flies. And the only reason those two options will draw is because the other team will likely bring fans. Shouldn't have to rely on the other team to have a draw though.

Always Wrong

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Except ive been to some of your games. Let's be real, the team has NO buzz around ATL and unless it's Georgia Southern or a team with a lot of fans you'll have 1,000 people there regardless. Why act like everyone here hasn't already seen that?

I was at the GS game last fall and yes they had a lot of fans but let's be real the crowd was 70% GSU. GS by the way is the only school in 7 years has ever bought more than 3k away fans to one of our games. So again Always Wrong.

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I was content to let this go on but

LOLWUT

(05-23-2017 02:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 11:31 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:30 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Don't do it Georgia State. the two for one part.

Quote:Liberty and Georgia State have had extensive communications with the the possibility of a home and home or even a 2-for-1 deal with Georgia State making two trips to Lynchburg and the Flames making just one trip to Atlanta. Each of the Panthers’ trips to Lynchburg would be accompanied by a financial guarantee from Liberty in the 2-for-1 situation.

http://www.aseaofred.com/whos-had-conver...cheduling/

This is dangerous for Georgia State. They have a large set of stakeholders, many of whom aren't particularly invested in the team, who might have serious issues with LU.

I kind of expected Troy to seek out LU. And they did. Georgia State is different.

Seems to me there's a huge disconnect between the ADs and some of the stakeholders. This is also not surprising.

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As TV revenue gets cut by half in the next 10 years (as a result of cord cutting), this will engender a loss to the CFP playoff pool when its rebid out. Schools in the Belt need everyone on board when this comes along. Throwing significant portions of their community under the bus isn't the right answer IMHO.

Hey Panther student, you get to pay 3 or 4 grand a year in student fees to prop up a football program you might not care about that turns around and endorses LU. This is dangerous.

Remember, its the taxpayers of Georgia and the students at Georgia State who will be keeping that program (and all of our programs) afloat financially in the next decade or so.

Do they really need to endorse LU? For Georgia State, this appears to be counterproductive.

"Dangerous," Come on Tom, that's a bit much, it's a football game. It's the one thing we barely have left in the USA where we don't have to involve politics although the NFL and NBA are doing there best to ruin that. I suggest you look up the 1914 Christmas truce during WWI where the Germans and Brit grunts took a break from the trenches to meet each other in no mans land and played a game of soccer among other things. The next day, they went back to killing each other. If you truly want to change Liberty, then play them in football while extending your best when they come to your house to play.

The problem is that sports aren't relevant to those excluded from it. Not only are LGBT persons largely excluded from football at all levels, but non-evangelicals have difficulties in it as well. These groups, plus those that support them, are not small populations.

And it might be different if we weren't compelled to subsidize institutions that largely exclude us (and I'm not just talking about LU, but also the NFL and the NCAA - at least in the high profile sports) as a condition of going to our public university or having a cable package with Logo or the Discovery Channel in it. Or living in a big city, where we have to subsidize hundreds of million dollar payments to billionaires.

At some point, this is going to become a problem. Telling kids to borrow 10 grand over 4 years to subsidize FBS football is not going to be sustainable forever, especially if that subsidy goes to groups that exclude directly or effectively.

At a school like Troy, it might not be an issue.

Georgia State doesn't need people alienated from their program. Scheduling (affirming) LU might do that.

Do you really think that running FBS football as the almost exclusive preserve of evangelical straight males is going to really engender a desire to keep up with the massive subsides from ALL stakeholders required to compete at this level? What's in it for those effectively excluded from participation in FBS football as athletes and coaches?

You know what the problem really is at GSU? Winning. Young people in Atlanta and maybe in general don't think it's cool to follow a losing team as their friends at other schools talk about the Alabama/Tennessee. Most of GSU' s now 70k students are not watching THIS football team and Liberty on the schedule will just mean another game to ignore. They show up for GS because yeah it's a rivalry but also because a lot of these kids from both schools went to school together. The same for our games with Jacksonville State when we were FCS. There was a connection. There isn't that connection with Liberty and a lot of these other schools scheduled OOC. Add to that stinking up the joint and a marketing team that doesn't understand Atlanta and THAT is the real problem. I run into young people all the time that are GSU students who have no idea who we are playing that Saturday.

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(05-23-2017 09:04 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 08:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 08:35 PM)voss749 Wrote:  honestly as an FAU fan id rather get paid $1 million and win than get paid $1 million dollars and lose badly and possibly have injuries from playing games against people we cant compete against. Wait until you get a body bag game against Texas and your QB has a shoulder injury that lasts half a season.

Did you move up to FBS to play big boy football or not?

So taking a paycheck game makes you not FBS now?

That is a weird assessment indeed. Money changes hands quite often even among mid majors.

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(05-23-2017 09:36 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 08:33 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?PI...MID=182735

R3 and moving on up.

Careful now...you never know what you may find out...!




Hrm.

Okay, now that that's out of my system, my .02 is that I can accept a H&H with Liberty, but a 2-1 seems like it'll be a bad look. And I'm not a fan of Liberty's politics or (especially) their anti-science stance (although I'm willing to change my opinion if, as has been indicated on this board, they're softening on the everybody-needs-to-get-fed-young-earth-ideas thing)...but my opinion isn't based on that so much as the fact that we don't need to have 2-1's with just about ANY other G5, let alone a recent move-up, even if they can pay us a ton.

This

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(05-24-2017 07:08 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(05-24-2017 06:49 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 02:11 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 01:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 12:13 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Any game you have that isn't a p5 or Georgia southern is going to draw flies. And the only reason those two options will draw is because the other team will likely bring fans. Shouldn't have to rely on the other team to have a draw though.

Always Wrong

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Except ive been to some of your games. Let's be real, the team has NO buzz around ATL and unless it's Georgia Southern or a team with a lot of fans you'll have 1,000 people there regardless. Why act like everyone here hasn't already seen that?

I was at the GS game last fall and yes they had a lot of fans but let's be real the crowd was 70% GSU. GS by the way is the only school in 7 years has ever bought more than 3k away fans to one of our games. So again Always Wrong.

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I was content to let this go on but

LOLWUT

Be serious. Even I was surprised that there were not more there. However thatg 30% was still a lot of people and more than any other school brings. Math is fun. My point is Always Sunny is one of those trolls that pleasures himself to Doug Roberson attendance pics. Which by the way it's been fun watching the AJC not post any attendance pics of a certain FCS school up I-75.

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(05-24-2017 07:20 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-24-2017 07:08 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(05-24-2017 06:49 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 02:11 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 01:01 PM)panama Wrote:  Always Wrong

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Except ive been to some of your games. Let's be real, the team has NO buzz around ATL and unless it's Georgia Southern or a team with a lot of fans you'll have 1,000 people there regardless. Why act like everyone here hasn't already seen that?

I was at the GS game last fall and yes they had a lot of fans but let's be real the crowd was 70% GSU. GS by the way is the only school in 7 years has ever bought more than 3k away fans to one of our games. So again Always Wrong.

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I was content to let this go on but

LOLWUT

Be serious. Even I was surprised that there were not more there. However thatg 30% was still a lot of people and more than any other school brings. Math is fun. My point is Always Sunny is one of those trolls that pleasures himself to Doug Roberson attendance pics. Which by the way it's been fun watching the AJC not post any attendance pics of a certain FCS school up I-75.

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I'm being serious. I have pictures of your crowd (I didn't cross over to take pictures of our crowd but I'm sure I can find some). Granted, it wasn't a mass outnumbering like it was in 2014, but in no way did your crowd outnumber ours.

Hell, during the Senior Day announcements there MAY have been 300 people on the home side. Oh wait, they were all at the concession stand and bathrooms....I forgot.

I know ya'll have more people at your games than you see pictures of from Doug, since the pictures that normally get tweeted are of the opposite sideline and no one really travels to your stadium. I get it. I was staring at your crowd the whole game though (hey I had to do something other than watching that abortion on the field).

I've been to everyone of our games that we've played, I'll trust my judgement over yours.

(05-24-2017 07:44 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(05-24-2017 07:20 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-24-2017 07:08 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(05-24-2017 06:49 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 02:11 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Except ive been to some of your games. Let's be real, the team has NO buzz around ATL and unless it's Georgia Southern or a team with a lot of fans you'll have 1,000 people there regardless. Why act like everyone here hasn't already seen that?

I was at the GS game last fall and yes they had a lot of fans but let's be real the crowd was 70% GSU. GS by the way is the only school in 7 years has ever bought more than 3k away fans to one of our games. So again Always Wrong.

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I was content to let this go on but

LOLWUT

Be serious. Even I was surprised that there were not more there. However thatg 30% was still a lot of people and more than any other school brings. Math is fun. My point is Always Sunny is one of those trolls that pleasures himself to Doug Roberson attendance pics. Which by the way it's been fun watching the AJC not post any attendance pics of a certain FCS school up I-75.

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I'm being serious. I have pictures of your crowd (I didn't cross over to take pictures of our crowd but I'm sure I can find some). Granted, it wasn't a mass outnumbering like it was in 2014, but in no way did your crowd outnumber ours.

Hell, during the Senior Day announcements there MAY have been 300 people on the home side. Oh wait, they were all at the concession stand and bathrooms....I forgot.

I know ya'll have more people at your games than you see pictures of from Doug, since the pictures that normally get tweeted are of the opposite sideline and no one really travels to your stadium. I get it. I was staring at your crowd the whole game though (hey I had to do something other than watching that abortion on the field).

I've been to everyone of our games that we've played, I'll trust my judgement over yours.

Just wow. I suppose of I had time or cared I could hit up friends and fans for crowd shots but I really am tired of the continual jerking off some people do to GSU attendance pics. By the way by Senior Day ceremony I am guessing you mean 45 minutes to an hour before the game? I have seen one Senior Day in 7 years and I think that was the first one or second one.

So now the claim is that we had 300 people at a game. Like I said Math is Fun. The lower bowl holds 28,155. We have never had that few people at a game. LOL.

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