(05-12-2017 12:11 PM)megadrone Wrote: (05-12-2017 11:05 AM)goofus Wrote: (05-12-2017 10:16 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: Which conference values Kansas most? The Big East.
Kansas hoops coach said Big East was set to invite four Big XII teams had Texas opted out
This would have unquestionably saved the Big East.
Sort of. What probably would have happened officially is the leftover schools in the Big12 would have officially invited all 8 of the Big East football schools to the Big12. In the end, the Big East football conference still goes away and the Big East still turns into a non-football conference.
I don't know. The C7 would have stayed with that configuration. The C7 weren't thrilled with the quality of basketball coming in from C-USA.
I think the real sticking point would have been if that configuration could have received a contract bowl once the BCS went away. The Big East was still an at-large AQ for football without a permanent destination. While the football would still be stronger with Missouri and K-State, I don't know if it would have been strong enough to take the Big 12's Fiesta bowl contract slot.
I don't know if the deal with those 4 would have fallen apart, but I think the basketball strength brought in with Kansas and Iowa State would have kept the C7 (and probably Notre Dame) in the conference.
The knock on the Big East was that if you didn't get West Virginia you didn't get a good traveling team. Coupled with the tendency to send a non-BCS worthy team every 5 to 6 years, it wouldn't have looked good. But if Notre Dame negotiated with this group (Pitt-Syracuse-WVU-Louisville-K State and Mizzou) for bowls, maybe that would have made a difference.
The ironic thing about this scenario is that most likely instead of the Big East breaking apart, you probably would have seen the ACC get crushed.
Lets say the scenario went through - the B12 imploded.
- TCU to Big East
- Nebraska to B1G
- Texas A&M and Mizzou to SEC
- Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado to PAC
- Utah to PAC (due to Texas A&M choosing SEC over PAC invitation)
- Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor left behind
Pac10 goes to 16
Stanford, Cal, UCLA, USC, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, Arizona, Arizona State,
Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Utah
The Big East and remaining Big 12 members merge forming a 13-team football conference and 21-team basketball conference
Rutgers, Cincinnati, UConn, Syracuse, South Florida, Louisville, Pittsburgh, West Virginia,
Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, TCU
Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, Villanova, DePaul, Notre Dame (non-football)
- West Virginia does not leave the conference, TCU does not rescind their invite, which leads to Temple not being re-invited
- With no more defections and now a far stronger football and basketball conference with the merger and TCU, which then leads to Syracuse, Pittsburgh & ND no longer defecting to the ACC, which is going through their own internal struggles due to FSU and Clemson previously considering leaving for the B12. The Big East divorce no longer happens, and the frankenstein conference stays together having been stabilized. Additionally with the B12 additions, the Big East is now seen has having strengthened their football conference, have the greatest basketball conference in the history of college sports and have a lot more leverage in TV contract negotiations.
- Big Ten invites Rutgers and Maryland, who both accept.
- ACC tries again to invite Syracuse and Pittsburgh who reject them. As does Louisville. They try to stabilize by getting into TV rich areas. FSU, Miami, Va Tech, Georgia Tech and Clemson push for Houston, but the more basketball-focused schools push for Temple. A stalemate.
- Big Ten takes advantage of the turmoil that they created and invites Florida State, North Carolina, Duke and Georgia Tech. FSU and GT accept, UNC and Duke decline. UVA gets invited but also declines.
- SEC sweeps in and offers Clemson and Miami who both accept.
B1G
Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, Iowa, Indiana, Purdue, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern,
Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland, Florida State, Georgia Tech
SEC
Kentucky, Florida, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia, Ole Miss, Miss State, South Carolina, Arkansas,
Texas A&M, Mizzou, Clemson, Miami
- ACC then goes the same route as the AAC and invites Central Florida, Memphis, Houston, SMU, Temple
ACC
North Carolina, North Carolina State, Duke, Wake Forest, Boston College, Virginia, Virginia Tech,
Temple, Houston, Central Florida, Memphis, SMU