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RE: So does the ACC Network become reality after all?
(04-26-2017 10:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
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(04-26-2017 07:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I'm sure espn would move FSU and Clemson into the SEC if they could. It seems as if FSU and Clemson are not interested...yet.


And Florida and South Carolina aren't interested either ....

Pervis Florida sponsored FSU's application in 1991 and wanted to again in 2010. South Carolina has expressed a desire for Clemson's membership and Spurrier at the time was receptive. Drop talking about things which you know nothing about.

And Billybobby you have it backwards. ESPN refuses to pay for their moves to the SEC. F.S.U. chose the ACC in '91, but they were interested in 2010, but the SEC was told no by the one who writes the checks. There was never a blackball. There was a clause in the SEC's contract put there by ESPN that allowed us to renegotiate our contract if two new "markets" were added. The "Gentlemen's Agreement" was not a stance against Florida State and Clemson, but an agreement that Florida and South Carolina refrain from nominating their in state rivals until we added two new markets. Slive at the time stated there would be no restrictions applied to future nominations (other than they had to add to the bottom line).

ESPN has plans for both of its conferences. Those plans include adding more product that ESPN wants. There will be no raiding of one conference by the other ever because ESPN wants a harmonious relationship with both and won't pay for it.

What's so hard to understand about that. Interestingly the ACC will probably unveil new additions when their conference network opens in 2019. I think one will be a whopper. ESPN just opened the Mexican market with the SECN & ESPNU in over 20 cities in Mexico. I think that endeavor will generate new product as well.

I think this thread is a troll thread intended to impune the credibility of the ACC's new network. It's in the contract and unless the ACC disbands before 2019 (and they are not) it will happen. But there are even bigger things on the horizon pertaining to that.

So yes, it will happen, and if it happens in conjunction with other events it will be successful from its inception. And with the new product that is likely in the offing it would be successful even if it wasn't in conjunction with other events.

INTENTIONAL TROLL THREADS ARE ABOUT TO BECOME EXTINCT AS WELL. WHEN STARTED THEY WILL BE CLOSED AND THE OP'S WARNED ONCE AND THEN BANNED!

"ESPN just opened the Mexican market with the SECN & ESPNU in over 20 cities in Mexico. I think that endeavor will generate new product as well."
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Have you ever been to Mexico, Sir? I have and continue to do so as my wife's family is from a "market" near Mexico City. Before I lay in to you on that statement, I'll wait for your response. I'm 99.9% positive you have no idea what you are talking about, but I'll wait and give you the benefit of the doubt.

It's on TotalPlay and yes they are already watching. They too pay by subscriber. Now what do you want to say? BTW, thanks to the Cowboys and the LHN and other programming offered in Spanish the market is already being developed. I spoke with a Texan the other night who was in Mexico City and said the bar he went into was watching SEC baseball.

As far as having been in Mexico I was years ago so I'm sure the comparison would be dated. I have been to 47 of the 48 contiguous, Europe, the Middle East, and lived in and visited combined 3 provinces in Canada. What else would you like to know?

JR...which state haven't you been too? My guess is Rhode Island, VT or ND. Am I right?
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RE: So does the ACC Network become reality after all?
(04-27-2017 07:35 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(04-26-2017 10:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-26-2017 09:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-26-2017 09:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-26-2017 07:49 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  And Florida and South Carolina aren't interested either ....

Pervis Florida sponsored FSU's application in 1991 and wanted to again in 2010. South Carolina has expressed a desire for Clemson's membership and Spurrier at the time was receptive. Drop talking about things which you know nothing about.

And Billybobby you have it backwards. ESPN refuses to pay for their moves to the SEC. F.S.U. chose the ACC in '91, but they were interested in 2010, but the SEC was told no by the one who writes the checks. There was never a blackball. There was a clause in the SEC's contract put there by ESPN that allowed us to renegotiate our contract if two new "markets" were added. The "Gentlemen's Agreement" was not a stance against Florida State and Clemson, but an agreement that Florida and South Carolina refrain from nominating their in state rivals until we added two new markets. Slive at the time stated there would be no restrictions applied to future nominations (other than they had to add to the bottom line).

ESPN has plans for both of its conferences. Those plans include adding more product that ESPN wants. There will be no raiding of one conference by the other ever because ESPN wants a harmonious relationship with both and won't pay for it.

What's so hard to understand about that. Interestingly the ACC will probably unveil new additions when their conference network opens in 2019. I think one will be a whopper. ESPN just opened the Mexican market with the SECN & ESPNU in over 20 cities in Mexico. I think that endeavor will generate new product as well.

I think this thread is a troll thread intended to impune the credibility of the ACC's new network. It's in the contract and unless the ACC disbands before 2019 (and they are not) it will happen. But there are even bigger things on the horizon pertaining to that.

So yes, it will happen, and if it happens in conjunction with other events it will be successful from its inception. And with the new product that is likely in the offing it would be successful even if it wasn't in conjunction with other events.

INTENTIONAL TROLL THREADS ARE ABOUT TO BECOME EXTINCT AS WELL. WHEN STARTED THEY WILL BE CLOSED AND THE OP'S WARNED ONCE AND THEN BANNED!

"ESPN just opened the Mexican market with the SECN & ESPNU in over 20 cities in Mexico. I think that endeavor will generate new product as well."
^
Have you ever been to Mexico, Sir? I have and continue to do so as my wife's family is from a "market" near Mexico City. Before I lay in to you on that statement, I'll wait for your response. I'm 99.9% positive you have no idea what you are talking about, but I'll wait and give you the benefit of the doubt.

It's on TotalPlay and yes they are already watching. They too pay by subscriber. Now what do you want to say? BTW, thanks to the Cowboys and the LHN and other programming offered in Spanish the market is already being developed. I spoke with a Texan the other night who was in Mexico City and said the bar he went into was watching SEC baseball.

As far as having been in Mexico I was years ago so I'm sure the comparison would be dated. I have been to 47 of the 48 contiguous, Europe, the Middle East, and lived in and visited combined 3 provinces in Canada. What else would you like to know?

JR...which state haven't you been too? My guess is Rhode Island, VT or ND. Am I right?

I've been through both Dakotas when the travel base was Michigan. I have family in Vermont. Rhode Island is the correct answer. When traveling up the East Coast, especially when getting to Connecticut you have to jog right for no good reason if you want to get to it. So in my travels I never found a compelling reason to take that detour.
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RE: So does the ACC Network become reality after all?
(04-27-2017 02:10 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  ACC gives Texas a Notre Dame type deal.

Probably

Quote:ACC + Texas & Notre Dame (Texas gets to play 6 non-conference games a year against Oklahoma, Texas A&M, TCU, Baylor, etc.) They will also allow ND & Texas to count their game as one of the 6 ACC games.

Possibly

Quote:ACC also adds Cincinnati and UConn.

Not going to happen. Adding UT would take ACC to 16 teams, 14 football. Absolutely no reason to go to 18 teams when there exists a potential for ND and UT to be full members at some point it the future. Even less so when those teams are Cincy and UConn, who would not add nearly enough to revenue.

Quote: Big Ten adds Kansas and Missouri

If UT left, not unreasonable. Mizzou adds nothing to SEC.

Quote:SEC adds Oklahoma, West Virginia , and yes East Carolina (they have to get into the North Carolina market and the bite the bullet and it pays off big time!)

Why would SEC go to 17? The carriage market, the reason the SEC wants the NC and/or VA market, is looking shakier by the day. I wish ECU hadn't been left out in the early rounds of BCS/P5 expansion, but the future is looking grim for anyone not already in the P5, and some already in (cough, K-State/TCU/Baylor)

Quote: PAC-12 adds Texas Tech, Houston, Oklahoma State, and TCU.

Not out of the question if B12 collapses and UT goes to ACC, SEC and B1G go to 16 teams, but that's the only scenario where this makes any sense.


Moreover, if UT leaves the B12, a lot of people just assume the leftovers will get picked up. I don't think that's true. 14 football teams is already unwieldy in the sense playing cross-divisional opponents is rare. 16 gets makes it worse and gets to the point where it's 2 conferences that have little to do with each other. But pods, right? Don't see a lot of momentum in that direction. ESPN revenue declining each year, so having less mouths to feed might take precedence over picking up leftovers.
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(04-27-2017 07:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 07:35 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(04-26-2017 10:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-26-2017 09:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-26-2017 09:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Pervis Florida sponsored FSU's application in 1991 and wanted to again in 2010. South Carolina has expressed a desire for Clemson's membership and Spurrier at the time was receptive. Drop talking about things which you know nothing about.

And Billybobby you have it backwards. ESPN refuses to pay for their moves to the SEC. F.S.U. chose the ACC in '91, but they were interested in 2010, but the SEC was told no by the one who writes the checks. There was never a blackball. There was a clause in the SEC's contract put there by ESPN that allowed us to renegotiate our contract if two new "markets" were added. The "Gentlemen's Agreement" was not a stance against Florida State and Clemson, but an agreement that Florida and South Carolina refrain from nominating their in state rivals until we added two new markets. Slive at the time stated there would be no restrictions applied to future nominations (other than they had to add to the bottom line).

ESPN has plans for both of its conferences. Those plans include adding more product that ESPN wants. There will be no raiding of one conference by the other ever because ESPN wants a harmonious relationship with both and won't pay for it.

What's so hard to understand about that. Interestingly the ACC will probably unveil new additions when their conference network opens in 2019. I think one will be a whopper. ESPN just opened the Mexican market with the SECN & ESPNU in over 20 cities in Mexico. I think that endeavor will generate new product as well.

I think this thread is a troll thread intended to impune the credibility of the ACC's new network. It's in the contract and unless the ACC disbands before 2019 (and they are not) it will happen. But there are even bigger things on the horizon pertaining to that.

So yes, it will happen, and if it happens in conjunction with other events it will be successful from its inception. And with the new product that is likely in the offing it would be successful even if it wasn't in conjunction with other events.

INTENTIONAL TROLL THREADS ARE ABOUT TO BECOME EXTINCT AS WELL. WHEN STARTED THEY WILL BE CLOSED AND THE OP'S WARNED ONCE AND THEN BANNED!

"ESPN just opened the Mexican market with the SECN & ESPNU in over 20 cities in Mexico. I think that endeavor will generate new product as well."
^
Have you ever been to Mexico, Sir? I have and continue to do so as my wife's family is from a "market" near Mexico City. Before I lay in to you on that statement, I'll wait for your response. I'm 99.9% positive you have no idea what you are talking about, but I'll wait and give you the benefit of the doubt.

It's on TotalPlay and yes they are already watching. They too pay by subscriber. Now what do you want to say? BTW, thanks to the Cowboys and the LHN and other programming offered in Spanish the market is already being developed. I spoke with a Texan the other night who was in Mexico City and said the bar he went into was watching SEC baseball.

As far as having been in Mexico I was years ago so I'm sure the comparison would be dated. I have been to 47 of the 48 contiguous, Europe, the Middle East, and lived in and visited combined 3 provinces in Canada. What else would you like to know?

JR...which state haven't you been too? My guess is Rhode Island, VT or ND. Am I right?

I've been through both Dakotas when the travel base was Michigan. I have family in Vermont. Rhode Island is the correct answer. When traveling up the East Coast, especially when getting to Connecticut you have to jog right for no good reason if you want to get to it. So in my travels I never found a compelling reason to take that detour.

Exactly...my only state in New England I haven't been to also.

There is a county in New York State that is more than twice as big as Lil' Rhody.
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(04-27-2017 08:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 07:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 07:35 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(04-26-2017 10:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-26-2017 09:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  "ESPN just opened the Mexican market with the SECN & ESPNU in over 20 cities in Mexico. I think that endeavor will generate new product as well."
^
Have you ever been to Mexico, Sir? I have and continue to do so as my wife's family is from a "market" near Mexico City. Before I lay in to you on that statement, I'll wait for your response. I'm 99.9% positive you have no idea what you are talking about, but I'll wait and give you the benefit of the doubt.

It's on TotalPlay and yes they are already watching. They too pay by subscriber. Now what do you want to say? BTW, thanks to the Cowboys and the LHN and other programming offered in Spanish the market is already being developed. I spoke with a Texan the other night who was in Mexico City and said the bar he went into was watching SEC baseball.

As far as having been in Mexico I was years ago so I'm sure the comparison would be dated. I have been to 47 of the 48 contiguous, Europe, the Middle East, and lived in and visited combined 3 provinces in Canada. What else would you like to know?

JR...which state haven't you been too? My guess is Rhode Island, VT or ND. Am I right?

I've been through both Dakotas when the travel base was Michigan. I have family in Vermont. Rhode Island is the correct answer. When traveling up the East Coast, especially when getting to Connecticut you have to jog right for no good reason if you want to get to it. So in my travels I never found a compelling reason to take that detour.

Exactly...my only state in New England I haven't been to also.

There is a county in New York State that is more than twice as big as Lil' Rhody.

And if what I've been told is halfway true that county in New York is a lot friendlier too! You don't meet many investment bankers or credit card processors who have a great sense of humor.
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Wildhack also told Axe he expects the changes at ESPN to have no impact on Syracuse and the ACC Network, which is scheduled to launch in 2019.

"It won't impact our deal with the ACC," Wildhack said. "Our deal runs through 2036. The ACC Network will launch as scheduled in 2019. I think ESPN will put all their muscle and support toward making sure the launch is a success because they are a partner and they have a vested interest in making sure the ACC Network is a financial success."

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(04-27-2017 08:14 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 07:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 07:35 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(04-26-2017 10:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's on TotalPlay and yes they are already watching. They too pay by subscriber. Now what do you want to say? BTW, thanks to the Cowboys and the LHN and other programming offered in Spanish the market is already being developed. I spoke with a Texan the other night who was in Mexico City and said the bar he went into was watching SEC baseball.

As far as having been in Mexico I was years ago so I'm sure the comparison would be dated. I have been to 47 of the 48 contiguous, Europe, the Middle East, and lived in and visited combined 3 provinces in Canada. What else would you like to know?

JR...which state haven't you been too? My guess is Rhode Island, VT or ND. Am I right?

I've been through both Dakotas when the travel base was Michigan. I have family in Vermont. Rhode Island is the correct answer. When traveling up the East Coast, especially when getting to Connecticut you have to jog right for no good reason if you want to get to it. So in my travels I never found a compelling reason to take that detour.

Exactly...my only state in New England I haven't been to also.

There is a county in New York State that is more than twice as big as Lil' Rhody.

And if what I've been told is halfway true that county in New York is a lot friendlier too! You don't meet many investment bankers or credit card processors who have a great sense of humor.

JR & Mark, Newport is quite nice! I've been there once before moving to Texas and would love to go back someday.
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(04-27-2017 08:02 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 02:10 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  ACC gives Texas a Notre Dame type deal.

Probably

Quote:ACC + Texas & Notre Dame (Texas gets to play 6 non-conference games a year against Oklahoma, Texas A&M, TCU, Baylor, etc.) They will also allow ND & Texas to count their game as one of the 6 ACC games.

Possibly

Quote:ACC also adds Cincinnati and UConn.

Not going to happen. Adding UT would take ACC to 16 teams, 14 football. Absolutely no reason to go to 18 teams when there exists a potential for ND and UT to be full members at some point it the future. Even less so when those teams are Cincy and UConn, who would not add nearly enough to revenue.

Quote: Big Ten adds Kansas and Missouri

If UT left, not unreasonable. Mizzou adds nothing to SEC.

Quote:SEC adds Oklahoma, West Virginia , and yes East Carolina (they have to get into the North Carolina market and the bite the bullet and it pays off big time!)

Why would SEC go to 17? The carriage market, the reason the SEC wants the NC and/or VA market, is looking shakier by the day. I wish ECU hadn't been left out in the early rounds of BCS/P5 expansion, but the future is looking grim for anyone not already in the P5, and some already in (cough, K-State/TCU/Baylor)

Quote: PAC-12 adds Texas Tech, Houston, Oklahoma State, and TCU.

Not out of the question if B12 collapses and UT goes to ACC, SEC and B1G go to 16 teams, but that's the only scenario where this makes any sense.


Moreover, if UT leaves the B12, a lot of people just assume the leftovers will get picked up. I don't think that's true. 14 football teams is already unwieldy in the sense playing cross-divisional opponents is rare. 16 gets makes it worse and gets to the point where it's 2 conferences that have little to do with each other. But pods, right? Don't see a lot of momentum in that direction. ESPN revenue declining each year, so having less mouths to feed might take precedence over picking up leftovers.

Well, a lot has changed in the past 5 years or so. First, there is a reasonable chance that the PACNetwork could be picked up by FOX. They fired their director, but more importantly stated that their new priority for broadcast material would be revenue sports as opposed to Olympic sports. This is exactly the kind of change in focus that you would take if you were considering turning the inventory and control over to a broadcast network that makes its revenue from advertising. And that move would most certainly help them with their carriage issues which have inhibited their ability to monetize their product.

Now if FOX were to gain that conference network they would have two.

So far ESPN and FOX have split rights in the Big 12 50/50 with regard to T1 & T2 inventory. ESPN holds the LHN & Kansas T3 and FOX holds OU's T3 rights. They both currently lease PAC material 50/50.

ESPN doesn't want to give up Texas and the LHN contract expires in 2031 well beyond the T1 and T2 rights to the Big 12 which expire in 2024-5.

Texas doesn't want to travel to the ACC for minor sports and doesn't want independence since what they want is a conference made up of other Texas schools and close neighbors. But, they don't want to cut themselves off from the TV revenue gravy train either.

Oklahoma and Kansas want to find a landing spot where they can get OSU and KSU a home as well, and Iowa State is a good product in search of a home. Then there is the problem of all of Texas's other state Big 12 schools and where to put them.

If FOX lands the PAC Network all of these problems go away. Why? Because heretofore FOX couldn't place 5 Big 12 schools in the Big 10. Only two of them actually met the Big 10's requirements and Texas wasn't going to go for two reasons (1) They prefer to stay at home and play their buddies. & (2) ESPN was not going to let them go to a competitor while under contract.

But now that FOX can place 5 and since both FOX and ESPN essentially hold 50% of the rights to both the PAC and Big 12 and if FOX has control of the PACN and insists upon some Central Time Zone game slots through which they can expand the # of games the PAC can televise on a Saturday then they will be able to place those Big 12 schools not taken by the Big 10 or ESPN.

So how do you divide the Big 12? Equitably that's how because they both hold 50%. So if it is a given that ESPN will not relinquish Texas, a school they have spent 15 million on since 2012 just to hold them in place, you are going to have to start with the top product and take geography and history into account and divide it out with Texas in the ESPN corral. Oklahoma is #2 and FOX holds their T3 now. So OU goes FOX. Kansas is #3 and their T3 is with ESPN, but Texas still wants buddies so Kansas goes to FOX, not because they aren't friendly with Texas, but because Texas wants to play other Texas schools. Oklahoma State and Kansas State go with their brothers and Iowa State does because of geography. Texas is joined in ESPN by Texas Tech, T.C.U. and Baylor, and the #4 brand from the Big 12 West Virginia. So in essence the historical divide is used. The former SWC schools go to ESPN and the former Big 8 schools go to FOX with W.V.U. headed to ESPN.

But we aren't done yet. How in the heck do you divide up 4 Texas schools between the SEC and ACC and hold onto Texas? You don't. All four go to the SEC. Why? That's crazy right due to market model right? No. The market model is dead and not needed in the world that is about to be born. ESPN if they have to take the Texas schools to get the Horns to go along can monetize them effectively because each week they play an SEC schedule ESPN has multiple games they can put on the air in which the whole state of Texas, nearly 27 million will be captured for higher regional rates in advertising. And each of those games between already competitive football product drives ratings and raises rates when put against the SEC's present West schools and some of its East schools.

Well doesn't that screw the ACC out of revenue? No. Why? Look for the ACC to add Notre Dame in full (Sorry Terry D.) along with Cincinnati, West Virginia and possibly Connecticut. Why in the hell would they want Cincinnati, West Virginia and Connecticut? Because Cincinnati puts Notre Dame into one of its richest and historical recruiting areas that's why. More importantly it puts the newly formed ACCN in Ohio. West Virginia will be another content multiplier almost as good as Louisville has been. They are solid in hoops and highly competitive and passionate about football. They also travel well, even if they don't always behave when they get there. I said maybe Connecticut. Maybe because it cuts the Big 10 and FOX out of another New England property and they multiply the value of basketball and would provide some of the ACC North with a Vanderbilt / Kentucky type win on the schedule.

But what about losing out on Texas? You won't. If the ACCN and SECN are bundled together at one rate across both footprints what difference does it make where the schools go. Your network would be available from Lubbock to Stores and in New York over to Ohio and South throughout the SEC. We both win as part of the ESPN family.

The Sugar Bowl becomes the ACC / SEC play in game to the National Championship. With 3 divisions of 6 we have an extra round of conference championship games played at neutral sites nearest the higher seed. And the best remaining at large school gets a bid which means that if you are in a tough division you have another shot. And most importantly it means that many more fan bases stay energized deeper into the season in attending, viewing, and traveling to those last few games that if they were out of contention they just might forgo. We both win all the way around and the conferences stay geographically oriented.

But we wouldn't be the only ones doing that. The Big 10 and PAC would as well. So Iowa State and Kansas in the Big 10 wouldn't hurt the Big 10 because they pick up distribution throughout the PAC and vice versa. Both conferences content value goes way up. Their champions meet in the Rose Bowl for the play in to the National Championship Game and then the traditions that made the Rose Bowl return.

The two networks could dedicate 1 OOC game against each others schools. Kansas Missouri returns and Oklahoma Texas remains.

Rivalries are restored. If the two conferences under FOX only want to go to 16 each who cares? As long as each conference enters their champ in the final 4 nobody gains or loses an advantage by numbers, or number of divisions as it becomes a moot point.

Will it happen? The money is there to make it so. The question is simply will the PAC sell a % of its network to FOX and if so, then why not?

Texas would get a division that consisted of Arkansas, Baylor, Texas, T.C.U., Texas A&M and Texas Tech. They keep OU in Dallas every year so basically they get a division instead of a conference, but it is a division of the best of the old SWC. If that doesn't do the trick nothing will.

But somewhere in all of this is the future, and that future in college football terms is not far off.
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I would rather see espn set up the sec and acc at 16 with

ACC: ND (full), Cincy, wvu, uconn
SEC: nc state, wake

Than create a PAC 20 with Texas, Texas tech, ku, ksu, ou, osu, io state and either tcu or Houston. If espn plan is 18 for the sec and acc than

Acc: nd (full), wvu, Cincy, uconn
Sec: Texas, Texas tech, ou osu
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(04-26-2017 10:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
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(04-26-2017 07:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I'm sure espn would move FSU and Clemson into the SEC if they could. It seems as if FSU and Clemson are not interested...yet.


And Florida and South Carolina aren't interested either ....

Pervis Florida sponsored FSU's application in 1991 and wanted to again in 2010. South Carolina has expressed a desire for Clemson's membership and Spurrier at the time was receptive. Drop talking about things which you know nothing about.

And Billybobby you have it backwards. ESPN refuses to pay for their moves to the SEC. F.S.U. chose the ACC in '91, but they were interested in 2010, but the SEC was told no by the one who writes the checks. There was never a blackball. There was a clause in the SEC's contract put there by ESPN that allowed us to renegotiate our contract if two new "markets" were added. The "Gentlemen's Agreement" was not a stance against Florida State and Clemson, but an agreement that Florida and South Carolina refrain from nominating their in state rivals until we added two new markets. Slive at the time stated there would be no restrictions applied to future nominations (other than they had to add to the bottom line).

ESPN has plans for both of its conferences. Those plans include adding more product that ESPN wants. There will be no raiding of one conference by the other ever because ESPN wants a harmonious relationship with both and won't pay for it.

What's so hard to understand about that. Interestingly the ACC will probably unveil new additions when their conference network opens in 2019. I think one will be a whopper. ESPN just opened the Mexican market with the SECN & ESPNU in over 20 cities in Mexico. I think that endeavor will generate new product as well.

I think this thread is a troll thread intended to impune the credibility of the ACC's new network. It's in the contract and unless the ACC disbands before 2019 (and they are not) it will happen. But there are even bigger things on the horizon pertaining to that.

So yes, it will happen, and if it happens in conjunction with other events it will be successful from its inception. And with the new product that is likely in the offing it would be successful even if it wasn't in conjunction with other events.

INTENTIONAL TROLL THREADS ARE ABOUT TO BECOME EXTINCT AS WELL. WHEN STARTED THEY WILL BE CLOSED AND THE OP'S WARNED ONCE AND THEN BANNED!

"ESPN just opened the Mexican market with the SECN & ESPNU in over 20 cities in Mexico. I think that endeavor will generate new product as well."
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Have you ever been to Mexico, Sir? I have and continue to do so as my wife's family is from a "market" near Mexico City. Before I lay in to you on that statement, I'll wait for your response. I'm 99.9% positive you have no idea what you are talking about, but I'll wait and give you the benefit of the doubt.

It's on TotalPlay and yes they are already watching. They too pay by subscriber. Now what do you want to say? BTW, thanks to the Cowboys and the LHN and other programming offered in Spanish the market is already being developed. I spoke with a Texan the other night who was in Mexico City and said the bar he went into was watching SEC baseball.

As far as having been in Mexico I was years ago so I'm sure the comparison would be dated. I have been to 47 of the 48 contiguous, Europe, the Middle East, and lived in and visited combined 3 provinces in Canada. What else would you like to know?

JRSEC, So I went and got a haircut today and hung around and asked my friends from Mexico (not my family) if they think an SEC network would work in Mexico. Let me back up, I qualified it, and tried as best I could to explain what the SEC is.

Me: "Do you think American college football would be watched down there? Is it popular now?"

My friends: "oh yes, American football will be watched by some people! I know people that watch the Cowboys!"

Me: "no college football. Like the Longhorns. The UT team. College football"

Them: "oh no, not that.. Not UT or anything like that. Real American football like the Cowboys would be watched though"

Me: "no not UT, Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU. They are in a conference in college sports called the SEC"

Them: "Oh no, no one knows what that is there. They wouldn't like that, but I think people would watch the Cowboys"

That last comment came from the one person who knew that UT played football at a level higher than a JR high soccer game. The SEC network in Mexico is ridiculous. We shall see though. I'll ask my family/friends at the Canelo Chavez Jr fight the day after Cinco de mayo and maybe they'll have a different opinion. It's hard to even explain what I'm talking about. I feel like I do when trying to explain Iowa Wrestlng meets to Texans. I love college wrestling; They just aren't interested.
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(04-27-2017 09:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-26-2017 10:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-26-2017 09:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-26-2017 09:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-26-2017 07:49 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  And Florida and South Carolina aren't interested either ....

Pervis Florida sponsored FSU's application in 1991 and wanted to again in 2010. South Carolina has expressed a desire for Clemson's membership and Spurrier at the time was receptive. Drop talking about things which you know nothing about.

And Billybobby you have it backwards. ESPN refuses to pay for their moves to the SEC. F.S.U. chose the ACC in '91, but they were interested in 2010, but the SEC was told no by the one who writes the checks. There was never a blackball. There was a clause in the SEC's contract put there by ESPN that allowed us to renegotiate our contract if two new "markets" were added. The "Gentlemen's Agreement" was not a stance against Florida State and Clemson, but an agreement that Florida and South Carolina refrain from nominating their in state rivals until we added two new markets. Slive at the time stated there would be no restrictions applied to future nominations (other than they had to add to the bottom line).

ESPN has plans for both of its conferences. Those plans include adding more product that ESPN wants. There will be no raiding of one conference by the other ever because ESPN wants a harmonious relationship with both and won't pay for it.

What's so hard to understand about that. Interestingly the ACC will probably unveil new additions when their conference network opens in 2019. I think one will be a whopper. ESPN just opened the Mexican market with the SECN & ESPNU in over 20 cities in Mexico. I think that endeavor will generate new product as well.

I think this thread is a troll thread intended to impune the credibility of the ACC's new network. It's in the contract and unless the ACC disbands before 2019 (and they are not) it will happen. But there are even bigger things on the horizon pertaining to that.

So yes, it will happen, and if it happens in conjunction with other events it will be successful from its inception. And with the new product that is likely in the offing it would be successful even if it wasn't in conjunction with other events.

INTENTIONAL TROLL THREADS ARE ABOUT TO BECOME EXTINCT AS WELL. WHEN STARTED THEY WILL BE CLOSED AND THE OP'S WARNED ONCE AND THEN BANNED!

"ESPN just opened the Mexican market with the SECN & ESPNU in over 20 cities in Mexico. I think that endeavor will generate new product as well."
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Have you ever been to Mexico, Sir? I have and continue to do so as my wife's family is from a "market" near Mexico City. Before I lay in to you on that statement, I'll wait for your response. I'm 99.9% positive you have no idea what you are talking about, but I'll wait and give you the benefit of the doubt.

It's on TotalPlay and yes they are already watching. They too pay by subscriber. Now what do you want to say? BTW, thanks to the Cowboys and the LHN and other programming offered in Spanish the market is already being developed. I spoke with a Texan the other night who was in Mexico City and said the bar he went into was watching SEC baseball.

As far as having been in Mexico I was years ago so I'm sure the comparison would be dated. I have been to 47 of the 48 contiguous, Europe, the Middle East, and lived in and visited combined 3 provinces in Canada. What else would you like to know?

JRSEC, So I went and got a haircut today and hung around and asked my friends from Mexico (not my family) if they think an SEC network would work in Mexico. Let me back up, I qualified it, and tried as best I could to explain what the SEC is.

Me: "Do you think American college football would be watched down there? Is it popular now?"

My friends: "oh yes, American football will be watched by some people! I know people that watch the Cowboys!"

Me: "no college football. Like the Longhorns. The UT team. College football"

Them: "oh no, not that.. Not UT or anything like that. Real American football like the Cowboys would be watched though"

Me: "no not UT, Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU. They are in a conference in college sports called the SEC"

Them: "Oh no, no one knows what that is there. They wouldn't like that, but I think people would watch the Cowboys"

That last comment came from the one person who knew that UT played football at a level higher than a JR high soccer game. The SEC network in Mexico is ridiculous. We shall see though. I'll ask my family/friends at the Canelo Chavez Jr fight the day after Cinco de mayo and maybe they'll have a different opinion. It's hard to even explain what I'm talking about. I feel like I do when trying to explain Iowa Wrestlng meets to Texans. I love college wrestling; They just aren't interested.

So.....what's your point. The deal is done and all you've done is turn the discussion to football. In my post I said the Texan in Mexico City said they were watching SEC baseball. And Billybobby Oklahoman's danged sure know about wrestling and so did folks in Alabama until Title 9 killed it.

Now once again what part of the SECN being a 4.5 billion dollar business, excluding TotalPlay in Mexico, did you not get. It doesn't matter. They are paying us for the product. If it doesn't sell we already have our money. If it does we've gained a regular client. The figure is about to go up for the SECN and it has nothing to do with Mexico. Mexico if it earns money for us regularly will just be a nice perk.
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It would be easier to find Mexicans who watch college basketball, I think. When I used to go to Guadalajara for regular business trips, I noticed what the employees did during their lunch break. Some played soccer, but a large number of them played basketball every day. If they keep up with the Mexico Olympic Basketball Team, they may also follow other amateur hoops...
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Another article about the ACC Network.

The jury is out if ESPN will go through with it.

BL: if ESPN is making money on the SEC Network that is a positive for the ACC as they drive similar eyeballz.

http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf...iver_index
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(05-02-2017 02:25 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Another article about the ACC Network.

The jury is out if ESPN will go through with it.

BL: if ESPN is making money on the SEC Network that is a positive for the ACC as they drive similar eyeballz.

http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf...iver_index

Interesting link. ESPN "observer" and author of Inside the World of ESPN, Jim Miller predicted that the ACC Network won't come to pass. I think the LHN folding would make a lot ACC fans breath easier about it. I'll be first to admit that I didn't think there would be an ACC network. I was called out when it looked like it was a signed done deal last year. Maybe I will end up bring right after all? It's a long time until 2019. We shall see..
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(05-02-2017 02:25 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Another article about the ACC Network.

The jury is out if ESPN will go through with it.

BL: if ESPN is making money on the SEC Network that is a positive for the ACC as they drive similar eyeballz.

http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf...iver_index

Since the ACC has coverage in a number of states with no SEC preference, it'll help. With 5 of those states being Mass., NY, VA, NC and PA, that helps even more.

Now if the ACC could pull in Texas....
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(05-02-2017 02:45 PM)megadrone Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 02:25 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Another article about the ACC Network.

The jury is out if ESPN will go through with it.

BL: if ESPN is making money on the SEC Network that is a positive for the ACC as they drive similar eyeballz.

http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf...iver_index

Since the ACC has coverage in a number of states with no SEC preference, it'll help. With 5 of those states being Mass., NY, VA, NC and PA, that helps even more.

Now if the ACC could pull in Texas....

NC: should do well.
VA: should do well.
PA: Penn St; no it wouldn't do well there.
NY: Do they follow college football?
MASS: same as NY. Pro sports thrown on the ACC network could help.
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(05-02-2017 03:15 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 02:45 PM)megadrone Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 02:25 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Another article about the ACC Network.

The jury is out if ESPN will go through with it.

BL: if ESPN is making money on the SEC Network that is a positive for the ACC as they drive similar eyeballz.

http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf...iver_index

Since the ACC has coverage in a number of states with no SEC preference, it'll help. With 5 of those states being Mass., NY, VA, NC and PA, that helps even more.

Now if the ACC could pull in Texas....

NC: should do well.
VA: should do well.
PA: Penn St; no it wouldn't do well there.
NY: Do they follow college football?
MASS: same as NY. Pro sports thrown on the ACC network could help.

Regarding folks following college football in New York, yes they do. But not like they follow college basketball. Listening to Delaney, it was college bb that really helped the BIGN to start getting the distribution that made that network a success. Basketball, plus winter sports and baseball and lacrosse are the ACC;s areas of strength. Football is not too shabby either.
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(05-02-2017 04:07 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 03:15 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 02:45 PM)megadrone Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 02:25 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Another article about the ACC Network.

The jury is out if ESPN will go through with it.

BL: if ESPN is making money on the SEC Network that is a positive for the ACC as they drive similar eyeballz.

http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf...iver_index

Since the ACC has coverage in a number of states with no SEC preference, it'll help. With 5 of those states being Mass., NY, VA, NC and PA, that helps even more.

Now if the ACC could pull in Texas....

NC: should do well.
VA: should do well.
PA: Penn St; no it wouldn't do well there.
NY: Do they follow college football?
MASS: same as NY. Pro sports thrown on the ACC network could help.

Regarding folks following college football in New York, yes they do. But not like they follow college basketball. Listening to Delaney, it was college bb that really helped the BIGN to start getting the distribution that made that network a success. Basketball, plus winter sports and baseball and lacrosse are the ACC;s areas of strength. Football is not too shabby either.

If Syracuse and BC can play like they did in the Pasqualoni and O'Brien years, that helps as well.

These are all well populated states. If the business model of carriage rates holds, that's what's important; it's not necessarikly who or how many people are watching.

There are a lot of cable households in NY, PA and MA. They don't have to be Syracuse, Pitt or BC fans.
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I don't give much credence to pieces like this; It's the off season in Syracuse, they don't play baseball and it's the lull before the NCAA Lacrosse Tournament starts.

The cold reality for those pining for the death of the conference is The ACC has survived despite the wishes of a few less than credible bloggers with axes to grind. It's not only survived but prospered.

Keep hating. We'll just keep winning.
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(05-02-2017 05:08 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I don't give much credence to pieces like this; It's the off season in Syracuse, they don't play baseball and it's the lull before the NCAA Lacrosse Tournament starts.

The cold reality for those pining for the death of the conference is The ACC has survived despite the wishes of a few less than credible bloggers with axes to grind. It's not only survived but prospered.

Keep hating. We'll just keep winning.
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Yes! The nihilists have attacked the ACC and in spite of the "the Dude" the ACC abides! The network is coming and with it two additions and one of them major.

I don't love the ACC, have been critical of it at times, but the ACC will abide and their network will get a nice boost at its inception if what I have heard from 2 different sources is true.

And ESPN isn't going away. It was still the most profitable sports network out there last year and really didn't have a close competitor. There is a major difference when it comes to taking a hit on a quarterly stock valuation or going bankrupt. ESPN is as far from bankruptcy as some on this board are from reality.

And as far as the streaming goes and cord cutting, and the demise of the market model goes, who do you think will be destroyed the most by these things? It's not the ACC with the best basketball product, or the SEC with the best football product, or the pair of them on ESPN with the best in college baseball, and softball.

It won't be any conference where the competition in a single sport is fierce. Why? Because content will be what drives the payout for any form of pay for view. It will be small conferences, mid sized conferences, and large conferences with no depth that will be hurt. And those who fall into that category which also have relied upon the subscription market model will be devastated, and folks that's not the SEC and it won't be the ACC either. And if they sign a scheduling agreement that exceeds just one game it will help both.

"So, I know I'll rest easier knowing that somewhere out there the Dude was wrong and the ACC abides."

Besides the ACC really ties the South together!
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