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RE: Football Conference Maps (2016, 1991, 1956!, 1927!)
The 1927 map appears to be incomplete. Boston College was playing D1 football in 1927, as was Holy Cross. Not sure why they are omitted here.
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RE: Football Conference Maps (2016, 1991, 1956!, 1927!)
(04-12-2017 08:53 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  UAB is missing from the transition map.

That was intentional.
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RE: Football Conference Maps (2016, 1991, 1956!, 1927!)
(04-12-2017 08:50 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  The 1927 map is missing a lot of schools. Cincinnati, Case, Miami, Wabash, and Western Reserve to name a few that I know of that had powerful teams before that time.

It's hard to determine "major" vs "minor" back then because it was judged by if you played other "major" schools. But look at Cincinnati's 1922 schedule:

Pittsburgh (home)
Kentucky (away)
Georgetown (away)
Ohio Wesleyan (home)
Case (away)
West Virginia (home)
Dennison (home)
Wittenberg (away)
Miami (home)

So even on that map, we had four games against "major" programs, two of which were at home. And no one would have called Case a "minor" program - they were every bit as big as Carnegie Mellon at the time (which is listed as "major").

Let's put it this way - if the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference or the Southern indies like Furman and Davidson were considered "major" in 1927, then the entire Ohio Athletic Conference was easily a "major" conference.

Lines weren't as clear back then, but Cincinnati isn't really considered to have moved "up" until 1948. Miami in 1961.

And you probably aren't old enough to remember the Southern Conference being considered a "major" (equivalent to FBS) up until the I-AA split.
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RE: Football Conference Maps (2016, 1991, 1956!, 1927!)
(04-12-2017 07:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 08:50 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  The 1927 map is missing a lot of schools. Cincinnati, Case, Miami, Wabash, and Western Reserve to name a few that I know of that had powerful teams before that time.

It's hard to determine "major" vs "minor" back then because it was judged by if you played other "major" schools. But look at Cincinnati's 1922 schedule:

Pittsburgh (home)
Kentucky (away)
Georgetown (away)
Ohio Wesleyan (home)
Case (away)
West Virginia (home)
Dennison (home)
Wittenberg (away)
Miami (home)

So even on that map, we had four games against "major" programs, two of which were at home. And no one would have called Case a "minor" program - they were every bit as big as Carnegie Mellon at the time (which is listed as "major").

Let's put it this way - if the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference or the Southern indies like Furman and Davidson were considered "major" in 1927, then the entire Ohio Athletic Conference was easily a "major" conference.

Lines weren't as clear back then, but Cincinnati isn't really considered to have moved "up" until 1948. Miami in 1961.

And you probably aren't old enough to remember the Southern Conference being considered a "major" (equivalent to FBS) up until the I-AA split.


There were no lines back then when the schools split up. Every school all the way down to NJCAA schools were all considered in the same league. It change in 1937 when the NAIA formed when many of the schools dropped down like the Kansas and Arkansas schools. UAM in Arkansas appeared in one AP poll before the 1937 season. So, every school that was formed before 1937-1960 before the first split into colleges and Universities which then turned into D1, D2 and D3 in the 1970s and then in 1977, D1-a, 1-AA and 1-AAA was formed. AAA was non-football schools. A lot of conferences back in these changes got ripped apart.
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RE: Football Conference Maps (2016, 1991, 1956!, 1927!)
I agree with those who say the 1927 map is somewhat under representative.

The author needed a reference point so used the conferences of that day and age which were from a regional perspective considered major.

UAB is out of business in 2016 hence why they are missing on the transitional map.
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(04-12-2017 08:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I agree with those who say the 1927 map is somewhat under representative.

The author needed a reference point so used the conferences of that day and age which were from a regional perspective considered major.

UAB is out of business in 2016 hence why they are missing on the transitional map.

Also to consider - in 1927 the population of the country was in different places than it is today.

Ohio was larger than California or Texas. And the Mountain West was a backwater. The whole region between the Texas and California, from Canada to Mexico (encompassing 8 states) had fewer 3.7 million people. For comparison, Indiana had 3.2 million and Ohio had 6.6 million.

And how is UCLA a "major" on this map? 9 years before 1927, UCLA didn't even exist as an institution. I know they grew fast but that's ridiculous to think that they were bigger than a school like Butler (which opened a 36,000 seat stadium on campus in 1928).
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(04-13-2017 11:01 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  And how is UCLA a "major" on this map? 9 years before 1927, UCLA didn't even exist as an institution.

Maybe in 1928. That's the year they joined the Pacific Coast Conference. Only six years after Idaho joined. 07-coffee3

LA grew quickly during that period of time, though. LA County population doubled between 1920 and 1930, and again between 1930 and 1950.
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RE: Football Conference Maps (2016, 1991, 1956!, 1927!)
Of current FBS members who have remained in the top division continuously, the following are the schools that were considered to be in the top division in 1946 after WWII according to the NCAA record book

ACC Wake Forest
ACC Duke
ACC Boston College
ACC Syracuse
ACC Georgia Tech
ACC North Carolina
ACC North Carolina State
ACC Virginia
ACC Pittsburg
ACC Virginia Tech
ACC Miami
ACC Clemson
Big 10 Maryland
Big 10 Indiana
Big 10 Northwestern
Big 10 Minnesota
Big 10 Purdue
Big 10 Illinois
Big 10 Iowa
Big 10 Michigan State
Big 10 Wisconsin
Big 10 Nebraska
Big 10 Ohio State
Big 10 Penn State
Big 10 Michigan
Big 10 Rutgers
Big 12 TCU
Big 12 Baylor
Big 12 Kansas
Big 12 Kansas State
Big 12 Texas Tech
Big 12 Iowa State
Big 12 West Virginia
Big 12 Oklahoma State
Big 12 Oklahoma
Big 12 Texas
American SMU
i Navy
i Army
i Brigham Young
i Notre Dame
MWC Utah State
MWC Wyoming
MWC Colorado State
MWC New Mexico
Pac 12 Washington State
Pac 12 Utah
Pac 12 Oregon State
Pac 12 Stanford
Pac 12 Colorado
Pac 12 Oregon
Pac 12 Arizona
Pac 12 Arizona State
Pac 12 California
Pac 12 Washington
Pac 12 USC
Pac 12 UCLA
SEC Vanderbilt
SEC Mississippi State
SEC Mississippi
SEC Kentucky
SEC Missouri
SEC Arkansas
SEC South Carolina
SEC Texas A&M
SEC Auburn
SEC Florida
SEC Louisiana State
SEC Georgia
SEC Alabama
SEC Tennessee
American Tulsa
USA UTEP
American Tulane
USA Rice
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RE: Football Conference Maps (2016, 1991, 1956!, 1927!)
Others up to the mid 80s:

American 1948 Cincinnati
American 1949 Houston
MWC 1950 San Jose State
ACC 1955 Florida State
MWC 1957 Air Force
Sun Belt 1959 New Mexico State
American 1960 Memphis
MAC 1961 Ohio
MAC 1961 Miami U.
MAC 1961 Bowling Green
ACC 1962 Louisville
MAC 1962 Toledo
MAC 1962 Kent
MAC 1962 Western Michigan
USA 1963 Southern Mississippi
American 1966 East Carolina
MAC 1969 Northern Illinois
MWC 1969 San Diego State
American 1971 Temple
MWC 1973 Fresno State
MWC 1974 Hawaii
Sun Belt 1974 Louisiana-Lafayette
MAC 1975 Ball State
MAC 1975 Central Michigan
MAC 1976 Eastern Michigan
MWC 1978 UNLV
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RE: Football Conference Maps (2016, 1991, 1956!, 1927!)
(04-13-2017 11:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  Others up to the mid 80s:

American 1948 Cincinnati
American 1949 Houston
MWC 1950 San Jose State
ACC 1955 Florida State
MWC 1957 Air Force
Sun Belt 1959 New Mexico State
American 1960 Memphis
MAC 1961 Ohio
MAC 1961 Miami U.
MAC 1961 Bowling Green
ACC 1962 Louisville
MAC 1962 Toledo
MAC 1962 Kent
MAC 1962 Western Michigan
USA 1963 Southern Mississippi
American 1966 East Carolina
MAC 1969 Northern Illinois
MWC 1969 San Diego State
American 1971 Temple
MWC 1973 Fresno State
MWC 1974 Hawaii
Sun Belt 1974 Louisiana-Lafayette
MAC 1975 Ball State
MAC 1975 Central Michigan
MAC 1976 Eastern Michigan
MWC 1978 UNLV

Defunct major teams should be added to the list, and Missouri Valley Conference, Big West and Southern University should be considered major conferences between 1948 to whenever Big West stopped sponsoring football.

Bradley dropped football in 1970 MVC
Fullerton State dropped football in 1992 Big West
Long Beach State dropped football in 1991 Big West
Cal.-Riverside 1975 last year. Big West
Cal.-Santa Barbara 1991 last year. Big West
Denver last year in 1960.
Detroit's last year in 1964
Drexel last year in 1973
George Washington's last year in 1966
Loyola Marymount last year in 1951
Marquette last year in 1960
City College of New York last year in 1951
NYU dropped in 1952
Pacific 1995 Big West
Pepperdine last year was 1961
Saint Louis last year was 1949
University of San Francisco was last played in 1971
Santa Clara was 1992 Big West
UTA last year was 1985
University of Vermont's last year was 1974
Wichita State's last year was 1986 MVC
Xavier was 1973
Cal. State- L.A. was 1977 Big West
University of D. C. last year was 1974.
Northeastern Illinois last year was 1988
Oklahoma City University was 1950.
Colgate
Holy Cross
Illinois State MVC
Indiana State MVC
Richmond
Tennessee State
Villanova
William and Mary
Appalachian State Independent before they dropped to FCS.
Wayne State Michigan if stayed one more year, they would be called a major, they left in 1947.
Case Western Reserve left in 1955.
Montana left 1950, they were part of the PAC 12 bunch back then. Idaho is a Yo-Yo for being a major, then dropped down to D2, move up to FCS, and back up to FBS to go back down to FCS again.
Catholic University
the whole Ivy League bunch.
Murray State
Chattanooga
Boston U.
Hardin-Simmons
Drake MVC before they went Pioneer League.
Creighton MVC last year was 1948.
West Texas A&M Border Conference/MVC dropped to D2 in 1985.
Northern Michigan up to 1978 They were considered D1 up to 1980.
Washington & Lee moved to D3 in 1958. Southern
VMI Southern
The Citadel Southern
Davidson Southern
Furman Southern
Western Carolina 1976-1977 Southern
East Tennessee State Southern
Trinity, Texas 1963-1972 Southland
Abilene Christian 1963-1972 Southland
Lamar Southland
McNeese State Southland
Maine Yankee
UMass. Yankee
New Hampshire Yankee
URI Yankee
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