(04-12-2017 08:22 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:54 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:19 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 09:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  but we beat them badly last year to finish

this is what i dont get about the ucf hype in comparison to UH...houston finished higher than them, beat them badly

ucf is being hyped for returning the same thing that was below houston (not bring into any game changer) ..but houston who is adding a ton more talent and finished higher than them is projected worse?

We split games last year and we are adding 4 transfers that were sitting out last year plus a player who was out all year with an injury. Then have a couple talented recruits coming in that are just as touted as Houston's. but sure we aren't adding any more talent. We also played the whole year with 7 scholarship players and a handful with 6 due to injury. Dawkins will pay his sons way who was a transfer that's played at Michigan and not waste a scholarship on him. Well have 14 scholarship players available next year. UCF will finish higher than Houston. Book it. With or without tacko

without tacko there is almost zero percent chance you finish ahead of us
with tacko, its a fair debate but id still pick houston

and we split a game in which our only true big man in devin davis was injured, and that game was extremely close..the second game we won he was healthy and a blowout

lol we played 7 scholarship players, only 6 most of the year. But yah cry about your one injury.

NIT results say hello. Houston ended the season with an early NIT exit. UCF didn't

My big worry for UCF would be outside shooting. Losing Williams alone results in around 4 made 3s a game. Your 2nd best 3 pt shooter statistically was Banyard, and he is gone too.

What most don't realize is UCF had 4 guys who could have been starters sitting on the bench due to transfer or injury. One is aubrey dawkins who shot 44 and 43% at michigan before transferring to UCF to play with his dad.

No one in the league can shoot like matt williams, he was lights out off the dribble, with a guy in his face, from half court, etc. Hes impossible to replace but we do have quite a few capable 3pt shooters to step in. With tacko in the middle and BJ handing the point they'll be getting plenty of open looks as well.

(04-12-2017 09:43 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 09:14 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 08:33 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 08:22 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:54 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  lol we played 7 scholarship players, only 6 most of the year. But yah cry about your one injury.

NIT results say hello. Houston ended the season with an early NIT exit. UCF didn't

My big worry for UCF would be outside shooting. Losing Williams alone results in around 4 made 3s a game. Your 2nd best 3 pt shooter statistically was Banyard, and he is gone too.

if they lose tacko as well that really takes away a great shot blocker and scorer. I just don't they they will make tourny if tacko is gone. The AAC is going to be a dog fight next year

And that's with your Huskies and Memphis not playing to self standards... Not bad.

For Houston, I'm glad we finally have a head coach that seems to be getting things rolling again around here... It's been a while for us so we're adjusting to this good basketball mindset.

Football is set...Baseball is set... Basketball is stretching it's legs.

Things are looking up quite well for Houston... I like it - Go Coogs

i agree. But if you guys want to really get better. Yall need to play a tougher ooc, that will strengthen you chances of making the tourney. y'all were ranked 80th by CBS sport in SOS last year. not bad but IMO if you get that Number into the fifties like UConn was last year. Your chances of making the tourney will be enhanced by a lot. Samething goes for UCF they were in the 100s in sos ranking.For example UConn has a really hard OOC next year lol. We play in loaded PK invitational, that has UNC, Duke, Gonzaga, and Oregon just to name a few. Then we play at Arizona, we also play our rivals Villanova at home and Cuse at MSG for the Jimmy V classic. IF Cuse reloads next year. This ooc could make or break our season.

Pretty sure Coach is waiting til our renovations are over to boost up the non-conference slate. No sense in scheduling too big when you don't even have a proper home court. For instance we travelled to Arkansas last year, this year we won't play them, but the following year once our arena is finished we will host them.

(04-12-2017 10:01 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 09:43 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 09:14 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 08:33 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 08:22 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  My big worry for UCF would be outside shooting. Losing Williams alone results in around 4 made 3s a game. Your 2nd best 3 pt shooter statistically was Banyard, and he is gone too.

if they lose tacko as well that really takes away a great shot blocker and scorer. I just don't they they will make tourny if tacko is gone. The AAC is going to be a dog fight next year

And that's with your Huskies and Memphis not playing to self standards... Not bad.

For Houston, I'm glad we finally have a head coach that seems to be getting things rolling again around here... It's been a while for us so we're adjusting to this good basketball mindset.

Football is set...Baseball is set... Basketball is stretching it's legs.

Things are looking up quite well for Houston... I like it - Go Coogs

i agree. But if you guys want to really get better. Yall need to play a tougher ooc, that will strengthen you chances of making the tourney. y'all were ranked 80th by CBS sport in SOS last year. not bad but IMO if you get that Number into the fifties like UConn was last year. Your chances of making the tourney will be enhanced by a lot. Samething goes for UCF they were in the 100s in sos ranking.For example UConn has a really hard OOC next year lol. We play in loaded PK invitational, that has UNC, Duke, Gonzaga, and Oregon just to name a few. Then we play at Arizona, we also play our rivals Villanova at home and Cuse at MSG for the Jimmy V classic. IF Cuse reloads next year. This ooc could make or break our season.

Pretty sure Coach is waiting til our renovations are over to boost up the non-conference slate. No sense in scheduling too big when you don't even have a proper home court. For instance we travelled to Arkansas last year, this year we won't play them, but the following year once our arena is finished we will host them.

exactly, that is what needs to be done

(04-12-2017 09:55 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 08:55 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:54 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  lol we played 7 scholarship players, only 6 most of the year. But yah cry about your one injury.

NIT results say hello. Houston ended the season with an early NIT exit. UCF didn't

its a one and done tourney...we had different match ups...upsets happen, next youll tell me 11 seed xavier was a better team than #2 arizona because they got further in the ncaa tourney..its basketball

and im not gonna make meaningless arguments about scholarship players....we only had 9 true scholarship players on that ucf game (technically 10, we gave a walk on a scholarship)

this is what is really weak about that argument is that you are insinuating ucf didnt have depth (the purpose of a scholly argument) but ucf rotated WAY more players than houston, you played more guys in both games than we did...
id bet ucf had more depth than houston

aka, how we can only lose 1 key player but somehow add 8 (3 that left literally never played, 2 others had bad stats...dotson was the only key loss)

lol keep trollin trollin trollin

how is stating facts trolling...it is a fact you played more players than we did

trolling is : ucf will finish last (just to get a reaction)

(04-12-2017 09:58 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 08:22 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:54 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:19 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  We split games last year and we are adding 4 transfers that were sitting out last year plus a player who was out all year with an injury. Then have a couple talented recruits coming in that are just as touted as Houston's. but sure we aren't adding any more talent. We also played the whole year with 7 scholarship players and a handful with 6 due to injury. Dawkins will pay his sons way who was a transfer that's played at Michigan and not waste a scholarship on him. Well have 14 scholarship players available next year. UCF will finish higher than Houston. Book it. With or without tacko

without tacko there is almost zero percent chance you finish ahead of us
with tacko, its a fair debate but id still pick houston

and we split a game in which our only true big man in devin davis was injured, and that game was extremely close..the second game we won he was healthy and a blowout

lol we played 7 scholarship players, only 6 most of the year. But yah cry about your one injury.

NIT results say hello. Houston ended the season with an early NIT exit. UCF didn't

My big worry for UCF would be outside shooting. Losing Williams alone results in around 4 made 3s a game. Your 2nd best 3 pt shooter statistically was Banyard, and he is gone too.

What most don't realize is UCF had 4 guys who could have been starters sitting on the bench due to transfer or injury. One is aubrey dawkins who shot 44 and 43% at michigan before transferring to UCF to play with his dad.

No one in the league can shoot like matt williams, he was lights out off the dribble, with a guy in his face, from half court, etc. Hes impossible to replace but we do have quite a few capable 3pt shooters to step in. With tacko in the middle and BJ handing the point they'll be getting plenty of open looks as well.

Nice, didn't realize that!

(04-12-2017 09:57 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 08:55 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:54 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  lol we played 7 scholarship players, only 6 most of the year. But yah cry about your one injury.

NIT results say hello. Houston ended the season with an early NIT exit. UCF didn't

its a one and done tourney...we had different match ups...upsets happen, next youll tell me 11 seed xavier was a better team than #2 arizona because they got further in the ncaa tourney..its basketball

and im not gonna make meaningless arguments about scholarship players....we only had 9 true scholarship players on that ucf game (technically 10, we gave a walk on a scholarship)

this is what is really weak about that argument is that you are insinuating ucf didnt have depth (the purpose of a scholly argument) but ucf rotated WAY more players than houston, you played more guys in both games than we did...
id bet ucf had more depth than houston

aka, how we can only lose 1 key player but somehow add 8 (3 that left literally never played, 2 others had bad stats...dotson was the only key loss)

While I'm optimistic about the incoming class, I don't think we should count our chickens before they hatch. Our entire front court will be made up of new faces plus Devin Davis. Davis is hardly reliable and while I'm sure there will be at least one impact player in this group, replacing Dotson won't be easy. With him we lose our most efficient scorer and leading re-bounder. I'm not even sure we have another guy capable of going for 20. Returning Gray is definitely big but we have a quite a few ? marks of our own.

i acknowledge that dotson is a major loss, but we added SO MANY scorers, the points will come from somewhere ..corey davis (almost 40 a game in high school, 18 in juco), fabian white (numerous over 40 games in hs) gabe grant was doing 20 a game in the juco..vanbeck and brooks are elite 3 point shooter and could step up in dotson absence

i actually not only think that we make up dotsons points, but that they also take away from grays scoring average and he wont be the scoring champ next year

and dotson being our leading rebounder was the problem,the fact our 3 was our top rebounder. we added 4 extremely good rebounding bigs in harris, nuru and white, and alley

chicken and meyer were touted for being bigs who could shoot 3's really well prior to UH (which they didnt do well at UH, and both were kinda soft). nuru and harris are touted for being rebounders and defenders...which i think will make a difference for us

and im not counting any chickens before they hatched..im not claiming we are better than any of the top guys.im just saying i dont buy this notion that we fall below where we were

Where is Panic to say Tulsa will go 34-0?

(04-12-2017 10:39 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Where is Panic to say Tulsa will go 34-0?

Spring cleaning the GAZEBO ????

(04-12-2017 08:55 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:54 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  lol we played 7 scholarship players, only 6 most of the year. But yah cry about your one injury.

NIT results say hello. Houston ended the season with an early NIT exit. UCF didn't

its a one and done tourney...we had different match ups...upsets happen, next youll tell me 11 seed xavier was a better team than #2 arizona because they got further in the ncaa tourney..its basketball

and im not gonna make meaningless arguments about scholarship players....we only had 9 true scholarship players on that ucf game (technically 10, we gave a walk on a scholarship)

this is what is really weak about that argument is that you are insinuating ucf didnt have depth (the purpose of a scholly argument) but ucf rotated WAY more players than houston, you played more guys in both games than we did...
id bet ucf had more depth than houston

aka, how we can only lose 1 key player but somehow add 8 (3 that left literally never played, 2 others had bad stats...dotson was the only key loss)

In that one game Houston won. We played 7 scholarship players. 2 walk one register 12 and 7 minutes played and 1 got 1 minute at the end. Houston played a total of 12 players but 3 were only 1 minute. The 9 others had atleast 7 minutes. The game was close until midway through the 2nd half so it is definitely arguable that towards the end of the season depth in the second half of games was an issue for us. By the number not so much for Houston. Try again.

Also, we held gray, your favorite person, to 15 points. Dotson is who killed us that game shooting 7-12 from 3 and was 11-16 for field goals. Crazy high % and finished with I would guess his career high 31 points. Unlikely that happens more than once.

(04-12-2017 10:38 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 09:57 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 08:55 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:54 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  lol we played 7 scholarship players, only 6 most of the year. But yah cry about your one injury.

NIT results say hello. Houston ended the season with an early NIT exit. UCF didn't

its a one and done tourney...we had different match ups...upsets happen, next youll tell me 11 seed xavier was a better team than #2 arizona because they got further in the ncaa tourney..its basketball

and im not gonna make meaningless arguments about scholarship players....we only had 9 true scholarship players on that ucf game (technically 10, we gave a walk on a scholarship)

this is what is really weak about that argument is that you are insinuating ucf didnt have depth (the purpose of a scholly argument) but ucf rotated WAY more players than houston, you played more guys in both games than we did...
id bet ucf had more depth than houston

aka, how we can only lose 1 key player but somehow add 8 (3 that left literally never played, 2 others had bad stats...dotson was the only key loss)

While I'm optimistic about the incoming class, I don't think we should count our chickens before they hatch. Our entire front court will be made up of new faces plus Devin Davis. Davis is hardly reliable and while I'm sure there will be at least one impact player in this group, replacing Dotson won't be easy. With him we lose our most efficient scorer and leading re-bounder. I'm not even sure we have another guy capable of going for 20. Returning Gray is definitely big but we have a quite a few ? marks of our own.

i acknowledge that dotson is a major loss, but we added SO MANY scorers, the points will come from somewhere ..corey davis (almost 40 a game in high school, 18 in juco), fabian white (numerous over 40 games in hs) gabe grant was doing 20 a game in the juco..vanbeck and brooks are elite 3 point shooter and could step up in dotson absence

i actually not only think that we make up dotsons points, but that they also take away from grays scoring average and he wont be the scoring champ next year

and dotson being our leading rebounder was the problem,the fact our 3 was our top rebounder. we added 4 extremely good rebounding bigs in harris, nuru and white, and alley

chicken and meyer were touted for being bigs who could shoot 3's really well prior to UH (which they didnt do well at UH, and both were kinda soft). nuru and harris are touted for being rebounders and defenders...which i think will make a difference for us

and im not counting any chickens before they hatched..im not claiming we are better than any of the top guys.im just saying i dont buy this notion that we fall below where we were

so many assumptions based on hype, high school and juco performance. How can you be so confident that all of them will turn out to be exactly what you think. How do you know these people are "extremely good" or "elite shooters" or that their performance at lower levels mean they will be good at all at this level. Getting players to perform at expectations at a new level is not as easy as you make it out to be.

(04-12-2017 10:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 09:55 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 08:55 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:54 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  lol we played 7 scholarship players, only 6 most of the year. But yah cry about your one injury.

NIT results say hello. Houston ended the season with an early NIT exit. UCF didn't

its a one and done tourney...we had different match ups...upsets happen, next youll tell me 11 seed xavier was a better team than #2 arizona because they got further in the ncaa tourney..its basketball

and im not gonna make meaningless arguments about scholarship players....we only had 9 true scholarship players on that ucf game (technically 10, we gave a walk on a scholarship)

this is what is really weak about that argument is that you are insinuating ucf didnt have depth (the purpose of a scholly argument) but ucf rotated WAY more players than houston, you played more guys in both games than we did...
id bet ucf had more depth than houston

aka, how we can only lose 1 key player but somehow add 8 (3 that left literally never played, 2 others had bad stats...dotson was the only key loss)

lol keep trollin trollin trollin

how is stating facts trolling...it is a fact you played more players than we did

trolling is : ucf will finish last (just to get a reaction)

in the second game houston played 13 players-- Thats a fact. We dominated u in the first game (lead the whole time start to finish and played a waterboy) thats also a fact. Yall got handed in the NIT that is also a fact.

It's a fact we played 13 players?????
I find that odd since we only had 11 players on our roster total last season (4 of which didn't play 1 second, in game 2)
Are you insinuating Sampson himself played himself or that you don't understand the concept of facts

And don't understand the concept Of dominate either, it was a 3 point game with 50 secs left in the game, leading and dominating are different things, if you need to make freethrows to ensure a win with 30 secs left, Yiu didn't dominate

I never thought I'd see the day I'd meet blind homer UCF basketball fans..But I guess it's a good thing and your program is on the up and up

(04-12-2017 12:03 PM)pesik Wrote:  It's a fact we played 13 players?????
I find that odd since we only had 11 players on our roster total last season (4 of which didn't play 1 second, in game 2)
Are you insinuating Sampson himself played himself or that you don't understand the concept of facts

And don't understand the concept Of dominate either, it was a 3 point game with 50 secs left in the game, leading and dominating are different things, if you need to make freethrows to ensure a win with 30 secs left, Yiu didn't dominate

I never thought I'd see the day I'd meet blind homer UCF basketball fans..But I guess it's a good thing and your program is on the up and up

Houston played 12 people against ucf. Check the box score. Here's a link for ya. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...=400916609
Please check your bolded statement above and then the link and get back to me.

Ucf played 3 walk ons that game. They played 12, 7 and 1 minute respectively. Houston had 3 people in for 1 minute. Still leaves 9 players registering 7 minutes or more.

We need to get to the bottom of this. How many players did Houston actually play against UCF? Any eyewitnesses? Video? Box scores can be easily fabricated. Sampson could be cheating the system.

(04-12-2017 11:05 AM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 10:38 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 09:57 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 08:55 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:54 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  lol we played 7 scholarship players, only 6 most of the year. But yah cry about your one injury.

NIT results say hello. Houston ended the season with an early NIT exit. UCF didn't

its a one and done tourney...we had different match ups...upsets happen, next youll tell me 11 seed xavier was a better team than #2 arizona because they got further in the ncaa tourney..its basketball

and im not gonna make meaningless arguments about scholarship players....we only had 9 true scholarship players on that ucf game (technically 10, we gave a walk on a scholarship)

this is what is really weak about that argument is that you are insinuating ucf didnt have depth (the purpose of a scholly argument) but ucf rotated WAY more players than houston, you played more guys in both games than we did...
id bet ucf had more depth than houston

aka, how we can only lose 1 key player but somehow add 8 (3 that left literally never played, 2 others had bad stats...dotson was the only key loss)

While I'm optimistic about the incoming class, I don't think we should count our chickens before they hatch. Our entire front court will be made up of new faces plus Devin Davis. Davis is hardly reliable and while I'm sure there will be at least one impact player in this group, replacing Dotson won't be easy. With him we lose our most efficient scorer and leading re-bounder. I'm not even sure we have another guy capable of going for 20. Returning Gray is definitely big but we have a quite a few ? marks of our own.

i acknowledge that dotson is a major loss, but we added SO MANY scorers, the points will come from somewhere ..corey davis (almost 40 a game in high school, 18 in juco), fabian white (numerous over 40 games in hs) gabe grant was doing 20 a game in the juco..vanbeck and brooks are elite 3 point shooter and could step up in dotson absence

i actually not only think that we make up dotsons points, but that they also take away from grays scoring average and he wont be the scoring champ next year

and dotson being our leading rebounder was the problem,the fact our 3 was our top rebounder. we added 4 extremely good rebounding bigs in harris, nuru and white, and alley

chicken and meyer were touted for being bigs who could shoot 3's really well prior to UH (which they didnt do well at UH, and both were kinda soft). nuru and harris are touted for being rebounders and defenders...which i think will make a difference for us

and im not counting any chickens before they hatched..im not claiming we are better than any of the top guys.im just saying i dont buy this notion that we fall below where we were

so many assumptions based on hype, high school and juco performance. How can you be so confident that all of them will turn out to be exactly what you think. How do you know these people are "extremely good" or "elite shooters" or that their performance at lower levels mean they will be good at all at this level. Getting players to perform at expectations at a new level is not as easy as you make it out to be.

Have to agree. We have had guys who averaged 30PPG in HS who can't make it into a 6-man rotation. HS & JuCo is a totally different level of competition than High D1 basketball.. I've seen top 10 JuCo guys nationally translate into 6PPG.

I do think Corey Davis will be a solid D1 player. I've seen him play he is good, how good we will see. I know nothing about Gabe Grant (other than stats) so how he performs on the wing will be key. Zanna will be a steady rebounder and defender, and if you think Harris and Alley are going to be big contributors this year, then this conversation is pointless. They both are talented, but need work.

Houston and UCF will both be better next season as long as Tacko returns.

(04-12-2017 12:08 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 12:03 PM)pesik Wrote:  It's a fact we played 13 players?????
I find that odd since we only had 11 players on our roster total last season (4 of which didn't play 1 second, in game 2)
Are you insinuating Sampson himself played himself or that you don't understand the concept of facts

And don't understand the concept Of dominate either, it was a 3 point game with 50 secs left in the game, leading and dominating are different things, if you need to make freethrows to ensure a win with 30 secs left, Yiu didn't dominate

I never thought I'd see the day I'd meet blind homer UCF basketball fans..But I guess it's a good thing and your program is on the up and up

Houston played 12 people against ucf. Check the box score. Here's a link for ya. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...=400916609
Please check your bolded statement above and then the link and get back to me.

Ucf played 3 walk ons that game. They played 12, 7 and 1 minute respectively. Houston had 3 people in for 1 minute. Still leaves 9 players registering 7 minutes or more.

I thought we were counting scholarship players... This whole debate was about scholarship players
Mateen is a walk-on...

Either way 13 is still not 12 like his "fact"

(04-12-2017 10:55 AM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 08:55 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:54 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  lol we played 7 scholarship players, only 6 most of the year. But yah cry about your one injury.

NIT results say hello. Houston ended the season with an early NIT exit. UCF didn't

its a one and done tourney...we had different match ups...upsets happen, next youll tell me 11 seed xavier was a better team than #2 arizona because they got further in the ncaa tourney..its basketball

and im not gonna make meaningless arguments about scholarship players....we only had 9 true scholarship players on that ucf game (technically 10, we gave a walk on a scholarship)

this is what is really weak about that argument is that you are insinuating ucf didnt have depth (the purpose of a scholly argument) but ucf rotated WAY more players than houston, you played more guys in both games than we did...
id bet ucf had more depth than houston

aka, how we can only lose 1 key player but somehow add 8 (3 that left literally never played, 2 others had bad stats...dotson was the only key loss)

In that one game Houston won. We played 7 scholarship players. 2 walk one register 12 and 7 minutes played and 1 got 1 minute at the end. Houston played a total of 12 players but 3 were only 1 minute. The 9 others had atleast 7 minutes. The game was close until midway through the 2nd half so it is definitely arguable that towards the end of the season depth in the second half of games was an issue for us. By the number not so much for Houston. Try again.

Also, we held gray, your favorite person, to 15 points. Dotson is who killed us that game shooting 7-12 from 3 and was 11-16 for field goals. Crazy high % and finished with I would guess his career high 31 points. Unlikely that happens more than once.

Dotson had 5 or 6 30 point games to finish the year, it wasn't a one time occasion

(04-12-2017 11:05 AM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 10:38 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 09:57 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 08:55 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:54 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  lol we played 7 scholarship players, only 6 most of the year. But yah cry about your one injury.

NIT results say hello. Houston ended the season with an early NIT exit. UCF didn't

its a one and done tourney...we had different match ups...upsets happen, next youll tell me 11 seed xavier was a better team than #2 arizona because they got further in the ncaa tourney..its basketball

and im not gonna make meaningless arguments about scholarship players....we only had 9 true scholarship players on that ucf game (technically 10, we gave a walk on a scholarship)

this is what is really weak about that argument is that you are insinuating ucf didnt have depth (the purpose of a scholly argument) but ucf rotated WAY more players than houston, you played more guys in both games than we did...
id bet ucf had more depth than houston

aka, how we can only lose 1 key player but somehow add 8 (3 that left literally never played, 2 others had bad stats...dotson was the only key loss)

While I'm optimistic about the incoming class, I don't think we should count our chickens before they hatch. Our entire front court will be made up of new faces plus Devin Davis. Davis is hardly reliable and while I'm sure there will be at least one impact player in this group, replacing Dotson won't be easy. With him we lose our most efficient scorer and leading re-bounder. I'm not even sure we have another guy capable of going for 20. Returning Gray is definitely big but we have a quite a few ? marks of our own.

i acknowledge that dotson is a major loss, but we added SO MANY scorers, the points will come from somewhere ..corey davis (almost 40 a game in high school, 18 in juco), fabian white (numerous over 40 games in hs) gabe grant was doing 20 a game in the juco..vanbeck and brooks are elite 3 point shooter and could step up in dotson absence

i actually not only think that we make up dotsons points, but that they also take away from grays scoring average and he wont be the scoring champ next year

and dotson being our leading rebounder was the problem,the fact our 3 was our top rebounder. we added 4 extremely good rebounding bigs in harris, nuru and white, and alley

chicken and meyer were touted for being bigs who could shoot 3's really well prior to UH (which they didnt do well at UH, and both were kinda soft). nuru and harris are touted for being rebounders and defenders...which i think will make a difference for us

and im not counting any chickens before they hatched..im not claiming we are better than any of the top guys.im just saying i dont buy this notion that we fall below where we were

so many assumptions based on hype, high school and juco performance. How can you be so confident that all of them will turn out to be exactly what you think. How do you know these people are "extremely good" or "elite shooters" or that their performance at lower levels mean they will be good at all at this level. Getting players to perform at expectations at a new level is not as easy as you make it out to be.

All those scorer are responsible for replacing Dotson 20 a game .. combined

I don't expect all of them to produce like they did in juco..But that I think we can find Dotson 20 points with a combination of the 6 elite scorers we addeD

Also the elite shooters I named are returning players .. it is already confirmed they can shoot

(04-12-2017 12:12 PM)PonyExpressHoops Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 11:05 AM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 10:38 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 09:57 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 08:55 AM)pesik Wrote:  its a one and done tourney...we had different match ups...upsets happen, next youll tell me 11 seed xavier was a better team than #2 arizona because they got further in the ncaa tourney..its basketball

and im not gonna make meaningless arguments about scholarship players....we only had 9 true scholarship players on that ucf game (technically 10, we gave a walk on a scholarship)

this is what is really weak about that argument is that you are insinuating ucf didnt have depth (the purpose of a scholly argument) but ucf rotated WAY more players than houston, you played more guys in both games than we did...
id bet ucf had more depth than houston

aka, how we can only lose 1 key player but somehow add 8 (3 that left literally never played, 2 others had bad stats...dotson was the only key loss)

While I'm optimistic about the incoming class, I don't think we should count our chickens before they hatch. Our entire front court will be made up of new faces plus Devin Davis. Davis is hardly reliable and while I'm sure there will be at least one impact player in this group, replacing Dotson won't be easy. With him we lose our most efficient scorer and leading re-bounder. I'm not even sure we have another guy capable of going for 20. Returning Gray is definitely big but we have a quite a few ? marks of our own.

i acknowledge that dotson is a major loss, but we added SO MANY scorers, the points will come from somewhere ..corey davis (almost 40 a game in high school, 18 in juco), fabian white (numerous over 40 games in hs) gabe grant was doing 20 a game in the juco..vanbeck and brooks are elite 3 point shooter and could step up in dotson absence

i actually not only think that we make up dotsons points, but that they also take away from grays scoring average and he wont be the scoring champ next year

and dotson being our leading rebounder was the problem,the fact our 3 was our top rebounder. we added 4 extremely good rebounding bigs in harris, nuru and white, and alley

chicken and meyer were touted for being bigs who could shoot 3's really well prior to UH (which they didnt do well at UH, and both were kinda soft). nuru and harris are touted for being rebounders and defenders...which i think will make a difference for us

and im not counting any chickens before they hatched..im not claiming we are better than any of the top guys.im just saying i dont buy this notion that we fall below where we were

so many assumptions based on hype, high school and juco performance. How can you be so confident that all of them will turn out to be exactly what you think. How do you know these people are "extremely good" or "elite shooters" or that their performance at lower levels mean they will be good at all at this level. Getting players to perform at expectations at a new level is not as easy as you make it out to be.

Have to agree. We have had guys who averaged 30PPG in HS who can't make it into a 6-man rotation. HS & JuCo is a totally different level of competition than High D1 basketball.. I've seen top 10 JuCo guys nationally translate into 6PPG.

I do think Corey Davis will be a solid D1 player. I've seen him play he is good, how good we will see. I know nothing about Gabe Grant (other than stats) so how he performs on the wing will be key. Zanna will be a steady rebounder and defender, and if you think Harris and Alley are going to be big contributors this year, then this conversation is pointless. They both are talented, but need work.

I 100% agree with this assessment. I do not see Alley, Adewunmi, or one of Chris Harris and Breaon Brady making much of an impact this season. This season hinges on Corey Davis and Gabe Grant. If they prove to be worth their ranking, we are going dancing.