(11-26-2017 06:10 PM)Clarity Wrote:  I would much rather be in the stable Big West right now. UMKC and probably Chicago State leaving is going to be a disaster.

It would be the worst thing that could happen to cal state Bakersfield. They’d get lost in the CA intramural league. The WAC is the best possible situation for the runners. Great opportunity to build an identity.

(11-26-2017 07:32 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 06:10 PM)Clarity Wrote:  I would much rather be in the stable Big West right now. UMKC and probably Chicago State leaving is going to be a disaster.

It would be the worst thing that could happen to cal state Bakersfield. They’d get lost in the CA intramural league. The WAC is the best possible situation for the runners. Great opportunity to build an identity.

This. Bako is fine where they are.

People acting like the WAC will be fine because it has in the past are in for a very rude awakening.

(11-26-2017 07:18 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 06:50 PM)Clarity Wrote:  Here's the thing Hurd doesn't have those schools lined up and D2 move ups take a long time.

It's a marathon not a sprint. As long as there are western D2 schools willing to move up every few years, the WAC can build on their conference. We missed out on UCSD but there will be others. I think being in the WAC benefits CSUB. I'm not sure they would prosper as quickly playing in the Big West. I feel teams like NMSU and GCU drive Barnes' competitive hunger. I'm not sure Barnes would want to coach in an all California bus league.

I agree. This conference is going to evolve over time. I think being in a conference with CBU is going to be a good thing for CSUB:

http://www.pe.com/2017/11/10/new-cal-bap...ening-day/

(11-26-2017 05:03 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 03:06 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  APU's rival CBU and regional playoff rival UCSD moved up. They now stand out of place down in D-II. They are far larger and better funded than any other D-II school in the West. HSU football situation almost forces them up as well. They are competing against schools like CBU for students.

As for the BW RPI argument, whatever. This is a one bid conference with or without any adds, so that means nothing. The big damage is to the other four UCs recruiting by dilution, so may actually improve the competitive position of the CSU schools. Note, UCSD will not get any travel subsidy money for trips to Hawaii.

It will be interesting to see how Humboldt situation plays out. Without FB, staying D2 makes little sense...however they are in the middle of nowhere so not sure who would want them/where they fit. Agree that the WAC should still be looking APU above everyone else.

You're still over playing the recruiting angle. You realize that UCSD will recruit on a national/global level because of its academics right? They will not depend on the regional recruits like the lower profile UC's.

I'd like to know what it took from UCSD ($$$) to convince the votes to change.

wrote something similar in another thread:

in addition to apu...maybe the wac can invite more CA schools from the
CA Collegiate Athletic Assoc.
San Francisco St.
Cal Poly-Pomona
Cal State-Los Angeles
&
Pacific West Conference
Academy of Art University

this would make the wac into a western based conference with a focus on CA...

like SDHornet said...let's see how Humboldt State football situation plays out...

(11-26-2017 07:18 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 06:50 PM)Clarity Wrote:  Here's the thing Hurd doesn't have those schools lined up and D2 move ups take a long time.

It's a marathon not a sprint. As long as there are western D2 schools willing to move up every few years, the WAC can build on their conference. We missed out on UCSD but there will be others. I think being in the WAC benefits CSUB. I'm not sure they would prosper as quickly playing in the Big West. I feel teams like NMSU and GCU drive Barnes' competitive hunger. I'm not sure Barnes would want to coach in an all California bus league.

Then why is GCU and NMSU looking for an exit at every opportunity? If Chicago State and UMKC leave they are scrambling to get out immediately. Also you don’t know what Barnes wants. He has said multiple times he would prefer to be in a geographically sensical conference. He hates the travel of the WAC. He spoke highly of the Big West. UCSB is bringing in 4 star recruits and Hawaii will be good again. Last season was mainly an anomaly.

(11-26-2017 08:05 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 05:03 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 03:06 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  APU's rival CBU and regional playoff rival UCSD moved up. They now stand out of place down in D-II. They are far larger and better funded than any other D-II school in the West. HSU football situation almost forces them up as well. They are competing against schools like CBU for students.

As for the BW RPI argument, whatever. This is a one bid conference with or without any adds, so that means nothing. The big damage is to the other four UCs recruiting by dilution, so may actually improve the competitive position of the CSU schools. Note, UCSD will not get any travel subsidy money for trips to Hawaii.

It will be interesting to see how Humboldt situation plays out. Without FB, staying D2 makes little sense...however they are in the middle of nowhere so not sure who would want them/where they fit. Agree that the WAC should still be looking APU above everyone else.

You're still over playing the recruiting angle. You realize that UCSD will recruit on a national/global level because of its academics right? They will not depend on the regional recruits like the lower profile UC's.

I'd like to know what it took from UCSD ($$$) to convince the votes to change.

wrote something similar in another thread:

in addition to apu...maybe the wac can invite more CA schools from the CA Collegiate Athletic Assoc.
San Francisco St.
Cal Poly-Pomona
Cal State-Los Angeles
&
Pacific West Conference
Academy of Art University

this would make the wac into a western based conference with a focus on CA...

like SDHornet said...let's see how Humboldt State football situation plays out...

Cal State LA would draw 3 people as would San Francisco State. Those are already huge overstated markets. Nobody would care. Academy of the Arts is a joke suggestion hopefully.

These huge one bid leagues are stupid. Nine is about right.

(11-26-2017 07:52 PM)Clarity Wrote:  People acting like the WAC will be fine because it has in the past are in for a very rude awakening.

Care to prove why it won't be? I already broke down the flight risk of the current membership earlier in this thread. The WAC will be fine as the majority of this conference has no where else to go. It's really that simple.

It’s really simple. This year UMKC and Chicago State leave. That leaves only 7. GCU and NMSU will be scrambling to leave. I have sources close to the GCU athletic department who say GCU was very close to joining the Horizon and still might in the future. NMSU has also had basic discussions with the Horizon. If you don’t think that is worrying you are crazy.

No offense to joshadams but Chicago state leaving the wac doesn't bother me one bit.

(11-26-2017 08:35 PM)Clarity Wrote:  It’s really simple. This year UMKC and Chicago State leave. That leaves only 7. GCU and NMSU will be scrambling to leave. I have sources close to the GCU athletic department who say GCU was very close to joining the Horizon and still might in the future. NMSU has also had basic discussions with the Horizon. If you don’t think that is worrying you are crazy.

I see a lot of "ifs" and "coulds". All of which are meaningless until something happens. UMKC and Chi State leaving don't cripple the WAC. In fact, there is an argument that could be had that their departure strengthens the WAC.

GCU and NMSU leaving would be major issues, but until they do there is no real reason to worry about it. And let's be honest, NMSU is really the only flight risk of the 2. It's going to take a lot of finagling for a conference's Presidents to get over the baggage GCU brings to the table on an institutional level.

Not true I just told you how close GCU was to joining the Horizon per sources. It still might happen.

During the off season, GCU’s AD stated their commitment to the WAC. They were supposedly getting some interest from the Missouri Valley conference (likely speculation, although perhaps the Summit or the Horizon had more legitimate interest), but stated their desire to stay within a western geological footprint. It’s possible they were just saving face, who knows really. But, I don’t think good rivalries would develop when the Lopes play the likes of Valpo or Illinois State.

(11-26-2017 09:04 PM)Clarity Wrote:  Not true I just told you how close GCU was to joining the Horizon per sources. It still might happen.

I recall that thread (not sure if it was here or elsewhere). If it as going to happen, it would have happened already. I doubt anything happens until the next round of realignment, even then I have my doubts that GCU gets an invite elsewhere.

If the Big west invited csub they would probably have to accept because of travel, but it wouldn't be a good thing. I don't think it's going to happen though.

I don't get why the Big west and big sky want to have so many members.

(11-26-2017 08:35 PM)Clarity Wrote:  It’s really simple. This year UMKC and Chicago State leave. That leaves only 7. GCU and NMSU will be scrambling to leave. I have sources close to the GCU athletic department who say GCU was very close to joining the Horizon and still might in the future. NMSU has also had basic discussions with the Horizon. If you don’t think that is worrying you are crazy.

NMSU is driven by football and GCU is driven by higher visibility. I'm not sure how the Horizon Conference fills either schools needs. Until NMSU can find a FBS home for its football program, I don't think it is looking for a conference change for basketball & the other sports. GCU's pipedream is the West Coast Conference. That will not have a chance at becoming a reality until GCU becomes a non-profit institution.

(11-27-2017 12:01 AM)CPslograd Wrote:  If the Big west invited csub they would probably have to accept because of travel, but it wouldn't be a good thing. I don't think it's going to happen though.

I don't get why the Big west and big sky want to have so many members.

Can't speak for the BW, but the BSC did it as part of Foolertons grand "block the WAC expansion" plan...but hey, at least we got Idaho back!

I like GCU in the WAC. That being said NO conference is going to invite a for profit education enterprise with it's horrible academic rating into a conference. As it presently stands no one wants any of the present Wac teams at this time.

(11-26-2017 08:35 PM)Clarity Wrote:  It’s really simple. This year UMKC and Chicago State leave. That leaves only 7. GCU and NMSU will be scrambling to leave. I have sources close to the GCU athletic department who say GCU was very close to joining the Horizon and still might in the future. NMSU has also had basic discussions with the Horizon. If you don’t think that is worrying you are crazy.

For UMKC to leave, they need an invite to a conference and they need to accept the invite. UMKC has been pretty open about their desire to become a member of the MVC. The MVC has not sent an invite. UMKC has not indicated a desire to return to the Summit and the Summit has not sent an invite or the terms of an invite. So until something happens, UMKC is a member of the WAC.

Chicago State does not want to leave the WAC and the WAC is not looking to kick out Chicago State, so there is no reason to believe they are leaving.

The Horizon is a bus league. They confirmed that with the addition of IUPUI. They are currently suing Valpo and the MVC over Valpo's leaving the Horizon. This is not a league that GCU or NMSU will get involved with.

Don't believe every rumor you hear, no matter how often it gets repeated.