(05-22-2017 01:45 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 01:31 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 01:16 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 12:40 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 12:28 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Any contribution he would make at any position would be better than leaving an open roster spot. The worse case is leaving an open roster spot than provides nothing. The penultimate worse case is filling the open roster spot with someone not as good as King.

MTSU, arguable the best team in the State of a Tennessee the last two years, snapped up King.

You have to manage the players and if you have a senior Transfer coming in and as the coach you don't think you he is going to get playing time, it likely could cause issues because I doubt he is transferring to sit on the bench.

A head coach should be able to handle any chemistry problems (assuming they are actually present) associated with a player (especially with a grad transfer). It is Tubby's job to place the best possible players on the court needed to win games. Failure to do it to avoid potential headaches with parents or teammates is unacceptable.

It doesn't make any sense adding an 8th guy that can play the 4/5. Just repeating the same thing on and on won't make it true man. For some reason you are ignoring the roster makeup and our needs at the guard position. If Nick comes he's not playing over 6 other guys who are bigger and stronger than him.

You assume a healthy King will not play a meaningful role on an inexperienced and medicore rated roster. I do not make that assumption.

It doesn't matter if he would or wouldn't have. Based on his history, it is too much of a risk to take on Tubby's part, and IMO, Tubby's minimum goal should be to do enough next year to keep his job for year 3 and develop the players that he has now.

If Nick King was going to be the difference between no post season and the NCAA tournament, I would say go for it, but there is nothing in King's past that indicates that he is capable of making any kind of a difference.

(05-22-2017 01:16 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 12:40 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 12:28 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 11:57 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 10:56 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Unless Tubby finds a better option, something is better than nothing. We know what he did at Memphis and it was better than any of Tubby's 2016 season recruits because he has more talent. . If nothing else, he is a ferocious and talented rebounder.

What position would Nick play? Most likely the 4
We have bigger and stronger players than him already at the 4. If Nick could play the 3 or was a guard, this would have been a no brainer.

Any contribution he would make at any position would be better than leaving an open roster spot. The worse case is leaving an open roster spot than provides nothing. The penultimate worse case is filling the open roster spot with someone not as good as King.

MTSU, arguable the best team in the State of a Tennessee the last two years, snapped up King.

You have to manage the players and if you have a senior Transfer coming in and as the coach you don't think you he is going to get playing time, it likely could cause issues because I doubt he is transferring to sit on the bench.

A head coach should be able to handle any chemistry problems (assuming they are actually present) associated with a player (especially with a grad transfer). It is Tubby's job to place the best possible players on the court needed to win games. Failure to do it to avoid potential headaches with parents or teammates is unacceptable.

Simple risk reward calculation...

If you feel Nick isn't going to play what is your reward...

If Nick was a 20 point scorer trying to transfer you take the risk because the reward is worth it.

(05-22-2017 02:37 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I'm glad we didn't pick up King. He's a good player, but even if he is better than what we have, he is not superior enough (if he even is superior at all) to warrant taking away minutes from players who have no D1 experience, that will be here for more than a year, who need time on the court.

(05-22-2017 02:51 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  I'm not Tubby's biggest fan but not getting Nick King isnt a mistake on his part. If we are going to be bad(which we probably will be), might as well be bad while the Freshmen learn to play at this level instead of having a grad transfer with a at best mixed career steal minutes.

Nick can't help us

He's at the level he needs to be

(05-22-2017 05:23 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  Nick can't help us

He's at the level he needs to be

Uh oh. Kermit ain't gonna like that.

(05-22-2017 05:25 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:23 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  Nick can't help us

He's at the level he needs to be

Uh oh. Kermit ain't gonna like that.

I guess King is MTSU good, but not Memphis good despite MTSU earning two NCAA Tourney upsets in the past two years.

I think Nick will perform at a level next season where he could have helped us win games. I wish him success, regardless.

(05-22-2017 05:23 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  Nick can't help us

He's at the level he needs to be

Is it better to leave a roster unfilled and unproductive or filled with someone of King's caliber and productivity?

I consider you an authoritative source. Thanks.

(05-22-2017 12:15 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 11:57 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 10:56 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 10:25 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 02:15 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I think during the season we will discover we could use another good player. Talent trumps every other factor for success as the Spurs and Celtics will attest. We need more talent.

Nick is a career 26% 3-pt shooter and 58% FT shooter, who averaged 6 points a game while transferring out of 2 different programs.

His college resume tells us Nick is not the answer to any question. Time to let that 4-star high school ranking go.

Unless Tubby finds a better option, something is better than nothing. We know what he did at Memphis and it was better than any of Tubby's 2016 season recruits because he has more talent. . If nothing else, he is a ferocious and talented rebounder.

What position would Nick play? Most likely the 4
We have bigger and stronger players than him already at the 4. If Nick could play the 3 or was a guard, this would have been a no brainer.

Yes.
I liked Nick's hustle and "want to".

He had a nose for the ball. We need that now regardless of who we already have.

(05-22-2017 06:04 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:23 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  Nick can't help us

He's at the level he needs to be

Is it better to leave a roster unfilled and unproductive or filled with someone of King's caliber and productivity?

I consider you an authoritative source. Thanks.

We need bodies

That's on the staff

This roster as it is will not be good

Not going after Nick King isn't a deal breaker for me. There are definitely other mistakes that Tubby has made that are bigger and more concerning than King. I do like King, I think he created some chaos that generally was in our favor, but there was nothing he did so well that he was necessary.

This will be an interesting thread when Nick is playing meaningful minutes on an NCAA tournament team

(05-23-2017 08:30 AM)jgardne Wrote:  This will be an interesting thread when Nick is playing meaningful minutes on an NCAA tournament team

That is definitely a possibility but that doesn't change anything.

Right now it doesn't appear that he can help this team

(05-23-2017 08:30 AM)jgardne Wrote:  This will be an interesting thread when Nick is playing meaningful minutes on an NCAA tournament team

I would rather see a couple of Tubby's players average 8 and 4 and learn on the job than to see King swallow up 25 minutes and score 12 and 6...IF he is even capable of that.

Another thing. If King is our best player at the 3 then we are in trouble because he isn't quick enough to guard the 3 and doesn't shoot well enough from outside to make the defense pay.

If King is our best player at the 4 then we are in trouble because he isn't big enough to guard a true 4 and doesn't have any go to post moves to speak of.

He is at his best when the coach can match him up for a few minutes at a time against smaller 4's or bigger 3's that aren't scoring threats, to give the starters a rest and to play with energy.

If King would have ended up being our best 3 or 4 then our coach is doing a poor job of assembling talent, but that is neither here nor there until we see the players on the floor. Even if he is the best player, IMO it would have made no sense to take him if that option was available.

(05-23-2017 09:12 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 08:30 AM)jgardne Wrote:  This will be an interesting thread when Nick is playing meaningful minutes on an NCAA tournament team

That is definitely a possibility but that doesn't change anything.

Right now it doesn't appear that he can help this team

Assuming he is good enough to get "meaningful minutes" on an NCAA tournament team then he would undoubtedly be able to help our team... He may not be the difference between making and not making the tournament but he would help. There is no one guy short of a few NBA superstars who would walk onto the roster and make us an NCAA tournament team. Who knows, Nick may get to MTSU and barely see the court.

(05-23-2017 11:05 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 09:12 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 08:30 AM)jgardne Wrote:  This will be an interesting thread when Nick is playing meaningful minutes on an NCAA tournament team

That is definitely a possibility but that doesn't change anything.

Right now it doesn't appear that he can help this team

Assuming he is good enough to get "meaningful minutes" on an NCAA tournament team then he would undoubtedly be able to help our team... He may not be the difference between making and not making the tournament but he would help. There is no one guy short of a few NBA superstars who would walk onto the roster and make us an NCAA tournament team. Who knows, Nick may get to MTSU and barely see the court.

Highly possible which brings up the high risk, low reward aspect in two ways. High risk because nothing indicates that he will make a difference, because if he doesn't produce he will be a distraction and if he does he takes minutes away from players that have no experience and need to see the court.

Low reward because who really cares if he is the difference between 15-17 wins and an RPI of 100 instead of 120?

(05-23-2017 09:12 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 08:30 AM)jgardne Wrote:  This will be an interesting thread when Nick is playing meaningful minutes on an NCAA tournament team

That is definitely a possibility but that doesn't change anything.

Right now it doesn't appear that he can help this team

It would mean Tubby either misevaluated or knew and did not care enough to pursue King. The former is a mistake. The latter malpractice.

(05-23-2017 11:26 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 09:12 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 08:30 AM)jgardne Wrote:  This will be an interesting thread when Nick is playing meaningful minutes on an NCAA tournament team

That is definitely a possibility but that doesn't change anything.

Right now it doesn't appear that he can help this team

It would mean Tubby either misevaluated or knew and did not care enough to pursue King. The former is a mistake. The latter malpractice.

Eaton up widdit

Ok, how about this, then:nick had a chance to be a tiger and decided he'd rather not?

(05-23-2017 01:56 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Ok, how about this, then:nick had a chance to be a tiger and decided he'd rather not?

Thank you, about the only thing in this thread that makes sense. "not going after Nick King was a huge mistake", I think I have heard it all now. Some of these dudes have lost their marbles.