(05-20-2017 11:40 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 09:58 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  King would have helped the team next year, especially with open scholarships available. Tubby should have at least tried to obtain him.

Fair point, but I say no.

First, nothing against King, but once you transfer out of the program, that should be it. We can't be the safe landing spot if your new girlfriend dumps you. Sends a bad message.

Second, and I'm glad Nick is healthy now, but he's just not that good. Lots of limitations to his game that he is either unable or unwilling to fix. He was about the same player his is now as he was when he was a sophomore in high school. Reminds me of Adonis and his lack of development.

Last, I'm all for recruiting Memphis kids, but this shows one of the dangers. Made perfect sense to get the ball to Austin, he was better than King. But you get the entourage barking in your ear that you should be the man.

Good points, but to me a healthy King is better than a vacant roster spot for the purpose of winning games. I know King (and his Dad) are potential headaches, but Tubby is paid handsomely to deal with it. One of the issues I have with Tubby is his appearent unwillingness to get his hands dirty and handling unpleasant tasks like media interaction and player parents. He wants to win his way and if his way does not work, so be it.

Little upside to a 4*-5* Memphis high school kid not becoming at least a major contributor, if not a star, on a U of M roster. Lots of disgruntled groupies, parents and fans will pile on the coach - whoever he is, with blame. And then this disrupts future local recruiting related to others that likely could help the team. The coach has to be right on a local kid, even more so than a kid from another region, IMO.

(05-20-2017 12:04 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 11:40 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 09:58 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  King would have helped the team next year, especially with open scholarships available. Tubby should have at least tried to obtain him.

Fair point, but I say no.

First, nothing against King, but once you transfer out of the program, that should be it. We can't be the safe landing spot if your new girlfriend dumps you. Sends a bad message.

Second, and I'm glad Nick is healthy now, but he's just not that good. Lots of limitations to his game that he is either unable or unwilling to fix. He was about the same player his is now as he was when he was a sophomore in high school. Reminds me of Adonis and his lack of development.

Last, I'm all for recruiting Memphis kids, but this shows one of the dangers. Made perfect sense to get the ball to Austin, he was better than King. But you get the entourage barking in your ear that you should be the man.

Good points, but to me a healthy King is better than a vacant roster spot for the purpose of winning games. I know King (and his Dad) are potential headaches, but Tubby is paid handsomely to deal with it. One of the issues I have with Tubby is his appearent unwillingness to get his hands dirty and handling unpleasant tasks like media interaction and player parents. He wants to win his way and if his way does not work, so be it.

Not so sure but....after the way the Lawson's exited.....any risk may not be worth taking if you don't absolutely have to.

(05-20-2017 12:04 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 11:40 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 09:58 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  King would have helped the team next year, especially with open scholarships available. Tubby should have at least tried to obtain him.

Fair point, but I say no.

First, nothing against King, but once you transfer out of the program, that should be it. We can't be the safe landing spot if your new girlfriend dumps you. Sends a bad message.

Second, and I'm glad Nick is healthy now, but he's just not that good. Lots of limitations to his game that he is either unable or unwilling to fix. He was about the same player his is now as he was when he was a sophomore in high school. Reminds me of Adonis and his lack of development.

Last, I'm all for recruiting Memphis kids, but this shows one of the dangers. Made perfect sense to get the ball to Austin, he was better than King. But you get the entourage barking in your ear that you should be the man.

Good points, but to me a healthy King is better than a vacant roster spot for the purpose of winning games. I know King (and his Dad) are potential headaches, but Tubby is paid handsomely to deal with it. One of the issues I have with Tubby is his appearent unwillingness to get his hands dirty and handling unpleasant tasks like media interaction and player parents. He wants to win his way and if his way does not work, so be it.

Have you seen vacant roster spot play? Doesn't get much playing, but doesn't whine about it. Always there for his teammates. I would take him over nine out of ten from Memphis. He has taken Austin Nichols and Lawson Brothers spots. Makes the team better by subtraction.

(05-20-2017 01:34 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 12:04 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 11:40 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 09:58 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  King would have helped the team next year, especially with open scholarships available. Tubby should have at least tried to obtain him.

Fair point, but I say no.

First, nothing against King, but once you transfer out of the program, that should be it. We can't be the safe landing spot if your new girlfriend dumps you. Sends a bad message.

Second, and I'm glad Nick is healthy now, but he's just not that good. Lots of limitations to his game that he is either unable or unwilling to fix. He was about the same player his is now as he was when he was a sophomore in high school. Reminds me of Adonis and his lack of development.

Last, I'm all for recruiting Memphis kids, but this shows one of the dangers. Made perfect sense to get the ball to Austin, he was better than King. But you get the entourage barking in your ear that you should be the man.

Good points, but to me a healthy King is better than a vacant roster spot for the purpose of winning games. I know King (and his Dad) are potential headaches, but Tubby is paid handsomely to deal with it. One of the issues I have with Tubby is his appearent unwillingness to get his hands dirty and handling unpleasant tasks like media interaction and player parents. He wants to win his way and if his way does not work, so be it.

Have you seen vacant roster spot play? Doesn't get much playing, but doesn't whine about it. Always there for his teammates. I would take him over nine out of ten from Memphis. He has taken Austin Nichols and Lawson Brothers spots. Makes the team better by subtraction.

An experienced HOF destined coach should have the capacity to manage a griping grad transfer where the coach has all the leverage.

We need good players to help win games. King, when healthy, is a good player. It is worth the effort and possible trouble to bring him home unless Tubby finds a better player in his place.

(05-20-2017 01:54 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 01:34 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 12:04 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 11:40 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 09:58 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  King would have helped the team next year, especially with open scholarships available. Tubby should have at least tried to obtain him.

Fair point, but I say no.

First, nothing against King, but once you transfer out of the program, that should be it. We can't be the safe landing spot if your new girlfriend dumps you. Sends a bad message.

Second, and I'm glad Nick is healthy now, but he's just not that good. Lots of limitations to his game that he is either unable or unwilling to fix. He was about the same player his is now as he was when he was a sophomore in high school. Reminds me of Adonis and his lack of development.

Last, I'm all for recruiting Memphis kids, but this shows one of the dangers. Made perfect sense to get the ball to Austin, he was better than King. But you get the entourage barking in your ear that you should be the man.

Good points, but to me a healthy King is better than a vacant roster spot for the purpose of winning games. I know King (and his Dad) are potential headaches, but Tubby is paid handsomely to deal with it. One of the issues I have with Tubby is his appearent unwillingness to get his hands dirty and handling unpleasant tasks like media interaction and player parents. He wants to win his way and if his way does not work, so be it.

Have you seen vacant roster spot play? Doesn't get much playing, but doesn't whine about it. Always there for his teammates. I would take him over nine out of ten from Memphis. He has taken Austin Nichols and Lawson Brothers spots. Makes the team better by subtraction.

An experienced HOF destined coach should have the capacity to manage a griping grad transfer where the coach has all the leverage.

We need good players to help win games. King, when healthy, is a good player. It is worth the effort and possible trouble to bring him home unless Tubby finds a better player in his place.

Tubby probably thinks there's already a better player in his place. Chemistry is important and the program is basically rebuilding. There's no need to insert a headache into the equation. I'm sure if Nick was super talented, then the coaching staff would have dealt with the headache.

(05-20-2017 01:59 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 01:54 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 01:34 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 12:04 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 11:40 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Fair point, but I say no.

First, nothing against King, but once you transfer out of the program, that should be it. We can't be the safe landing spot if your new girlfriend dumps you. Sends a bad message.

Second, and I'm glad Nick is healthy now, but he's just not that good. Lots of limitations to his game that he is either unable or unwilling to fix. He was about the same player his is now as he was when he was a sophomore in high school. Reminds me of Adonis and his lack of development.

Last, I'm all for recruiting Memphis kids, but this shows one of the dangers. Made perfect sense to get the ball to Austin, he was better than King. But you get the entourage barking in your ear that you should be the man.

Good points, but to me a healthy King is better than a vacant roster spot for the purpose of winning games. I know King (and his Dad) are potential headaches, but Tubby is paid handsomely to deal with it. One of the issues I have with Tubby is his appearent unwillingness to get his hands dirty and handling unpleasant tasks like media interaction and player parents. He wants to win his way and if his way does not work, so be it.

Have you seen vacant roster spot play? Doesn't get much playing, but doesn't whine about it. Always there for his teammates. I would take him over nine out of ten from Memphis. He has taken Austin Nichols and Lawson Brothers spots. Makes the team better by subtraction.

An experienced HOF destined coach should have the capacity to manage a griping grad transfer where the coach has all the leverage.

We need good players to help win games. King, when healthy, is a good player. It is worth the effort and possible trouble to bring him home unless Tubby finds a better player in his place.

Tubby probably thinks there's already a better player in his place. Chemistry is important and the program is basically rebuilding. There's no need to insert a headache into the equation. I'm sure if Nick was super talented, then the coaching staff would have dealt with the headache.

I think during the season we will discover we could use another good player. Talent trumps every other factor for success as the Spurs and Celtics will attest. We need more talent.

(05-20-2017 01:34 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 12:04 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 11:40 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 09:58 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  King would have helped the team next year, especially with open scholarships available. Tubby should have at least tried to obtain him.

Fair point, but I say no.

First, nothing against King, but once you transfer out of the program, that should be it. We can't be the safe landing spot if your new girlfriend dumps you. Sends a bad message.

Second, and I'm glad Nick is healthy now, but he's just not that good. Lots of limitations to his game that he is either unable or unwilling to fix. He was about the same player his is now as he was when he was a sophomore in high school. Reminds me of Adonis and his lack of development.

Last, I'm all for recruiting Memphis kids, but this shows one of the dangers. Made perfect sense to get the ball to Austin, he was better than King. But you get the entourage barking in your ear that you should be the man.

Good points, but to me a healthy King is better than a vacant roster spot for the purpose of winning games. I know King (and his Dad) are potential headaches, but Tubby is paid handsomely to deal with it. One of the issues I have with Tubby is his appearent unwillingness to get his hands dirty and handling unpleasant tasks like media interaction and player parents. He wants to win his way and if his way does not work, so be it.

Have you seen vacant roster spot play? Doesn't get much playing, but doesn't whine about it. Always there for his teammates. I would take him over nine out of ten from Memphis. He has taken Austin Nichols and Lawson Brothers spots. Makes the team better by subtraction.

This is a good joke. I may steal it in the game threads this year

(05-20-2017 02:15 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 01:59 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 01:54 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 01:34 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 12:04 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Good points, but to me a healthy King is better than a vacant roster spot for the purpose of winning games. I know King (and his Dad) are potential headaches, but Tubby is paid handsomely to deal with it. One of the issues I have with Tubby is his appearent unwillingness to get his hands dirty and handling unpleasant tasks like media interaction and player parents. He wants to win his way and if his way does not work, so be it.

Have you seen vacant roster spot play? Doesn't get much playing, but doesn't whine about it. Always there for his teammates. I would take him over nine out of ten from Memphis. He has taken Austin Nichols and Lawson Brothers spots. Makes the team better by subtraction.

An experienced HOF destined coach should have the capacity to manage a griping grad transfer where the coach has all the leverage.

We need good players to help win games. King, when healthy, is a good player. It is worth the effort and possible trouble to bring him home unless Tubby finds a better player in his place.

Tubby probably thinks there's already a better player in his place. Chemistry is important and the program is basically rebuilding. There's no need to insert a headache into the equation. I'm sure if Nick was super talented, then the coaching staff would have dealt with the headache.

I think during the season we will discover we could use another good player. Talent trumps every other factor for success as the Spurs and Celtics will attest. We need more talent.

Maybe...we shall see
King can't play the 3 and we have bigger players than him at the 4. IMO I doubt we'll need him; if he was a guard or could play the 3, things might have turned out differently

(05-20-2017 11:40 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 09:58 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  King would have helped the team next year, especially with open scholarships available. Tubby should have at least tried to obtain him.

Fair point, but I say no.

First, nothing against King, but once you transfer out of the program, that should be it. We can't be the safe landing spot if your new girlfriend dumps you. Sends a bad message.

Second, and I'm glad Nick is healthy now, but he's just not that good. Lots of limitations to his game that he is either unable or unwilling to fix. He was about the same player his is now as he was when he was a sophomore in high school. Reminds me of Adonis and his lack of development.

Last, I'm all for recruiting Memphis kids, but this shows one of the dangers. Made perfect sense to get the ball to Austin, he was better than King. But you get the entourage barking in your ear that you should be the man.

Shaq was more efficient than Austin was after Austin went down and much more efficient the following year after Austin left.

Seems that Shaq should have gotten some of those shots that Austin was putting up

(05-20-2017 02:41 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 11:40 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 09:58 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  King would have helped the team next year, especially with open scholarships available. Tubby should have at least tried to obtain him.

Fair point, but I say no.

First, nothing against King, but once you transfer out of the program, that should be it. We can't be the safe landing spot if your new girlfriend dumps you. Sends a bad message.

Second, and I'm glad Nick is healthy now, but he's just not that good. Lots of limitations to his game that he is either unable or unwilling to fix. He was about the same player his is now as he was when he was a sophomore in high school. Reminds me of Adonis and his lack of development.

Last, I'm all for recruiting Memphis kids, but this shows one of the dangers. Made perfect sense to get the ball to Austin, he was better than King. But you get the entourage barking in your ear that you should be the man.

Shaq was more efficient than Austin was after Austin went down and much more efficient the following year after Austin left.

Seems that Shaq should have gotten some of those shots that Austin was putting up

Fer sure

(05-20-2017 02:41 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 11:40 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 09:58 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  King would have helped the team next year, especially with open scholarships available. Tubby should have at least tried to obtain him.

Fair point, but I say no.

First, nothing against King, but once you transfer out of the program, that should be it. We can't be the safe landing spot if your new girlfriend dumps you. Sends a bad message.

Second, and I'm glad Nick is healthy now, but he's just not that good. Lots of limitations to his game that he is either unable or unwilling to fix. He was about the same player his is now as he was when he was a sophomore in high school. Reminds me of Adonis and his lack of development.

Last, I'm all for recruiting Memphis kids, but this shows one of the dangers. Made perfect sense to get the ball to Austin, he was better than King. But you get the entourage barking in your ear that you should be the man.

Shaq was more efficient than Austin was after Austin went down and much more efficient the following year after Austin left.

Seems that Shaq should have gotten some of those shots that Austin was putting up

The mistake Pastner made was letting Austin shoot from outside of 15'.

(05-20-2017 10:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 02:41 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 11:40 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 09:58 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  King would have helped the team next year, especially with open scholarships available. Tubby should have at least tried to obtain him.

Fair point, but I say no.

First, nothing against King, but once you transfer out of the program, that should be it. We can't be the safe landing spot if your new girlfriend dumps you. Sends a bad message.

Second, and I'm glad Nick is healthy now, but he's just not that good. Lots of limitations to his game that he is either unable or unwilling to fix. He was about the same player his is now as he was when he was a sophomore in high school. Reminds me of Adonis and his lack of development.

Last, I'm all for recruiting Memphis kids, but this shows one of the dangers. Made perfect sense to get the ball to Austin, he was better than King. But you get the entourage barking in your ear that you should be the man.

Shaq was more efficient than Austin was after Austin went down and much more efficient the following year after Austin left.

Seems that Shaq should have gotten some of those shots that Austin was putting up

The mistake Pastner made was letting Austin shoot from outside of 5'.

I would like to have seen him on the team if only to play 10-15 minutes / game IF he would accept that role.

Of course, as a one year player, is that what ANY rebuilding team needs or is it better to give those minutes to a plsyer(s) that will be back for another season.....

(05-21-2017 09:50 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  I would like to have seen him on the team if only to play 10-15 minutes / game IF he would accept that role.

Of course, as a one year player, is that what ANY rebuilding team needs or is it better to give those minutes to a plsyer(s) that will be back for another season.....

Great point, Bluebacker!

(05-20-2017 10:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  The mistake Pastner made was letting Austin shoot from outside of 15'.

Pastner didn't let him shoot those shots that were out of his range, he shot them on his own. Austin did whatever Austin wanted to do. He might have been the most talented player on the team, but he was only interested in himself, not the team, because that's, apparently, the way he was raised.

Wait, I may have him confused with another player . . . and another coach. Never mind.

I'm thinking a one-yr grad transfer better be a great shooter, great rebounder or great assisting PG to be of much value. Don't think King could have added value in any of those categories. Hard worker, yes I'll give him that but not particularly productive - & he came with baggage. That with being a Memphis guy, he'd have been a liability IMO, because fans are always very opinionated about Memphis kids.

(05-21-2017 01:10 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'm thinking a one-yr grad transfer better be a great shooter, great rebounder or great assisting PG to be of much value. Don't think King could have added value in any of those categories. Hard worker, yes I'll give him that but not particularly productive - & he came with baggage. That with being a Memphis guy, he'd have been a liability IMO, because fans are always very opinionated about Memphis kids.

I'm starting to wonder...are we even looking at any grad transfers? I surely hope so.

Mistake Pastner made was not letting Nichols go to UT. Recruit people who want to be here.

Word on the street is the Dude is headed to smaller program, Alabama State or Grambling