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RE: Rumor-UConn and Cincy to ACC in 2018?
What about UConn and Navy or UConn and Temple to ACC? Would help with ACC TV
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(03-20-2017 02:34 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  What WVU lacks in research and population, it more than makes up in longstanding football rivalries against Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers and a new rivalry against UConn. Adding UConn/WVU (or an alternative eastern school) would free up OSU, Indiana, MSU and Michigan to play the western schools in football on a more regular basis.

Not in football, although possibly in other sports. Two 8 team divisions would result in a reduction of cross division games from 3 to 2.
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RE: Rumor-UConn and Cincy to ACC in 2018?
(03-20-2017 02:34 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  What WVU lacks in research and population, it more than makes up in longstanding football rivalries against Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers and a new rivalry against UConn. Adding UConn/WVU (or an alternative eastern school) would free up OSU, Indiana, MSU and Michigan to play the western schools in football on a more regular basis.

No, to all of those. Particularly trying to get more football games between Ohio St, the Michigans, and the West programs.

Big Ten tried the "we'll add a top football team with lots of tradition, in spite of being a low(er) research school in a small population state" approach with Nebraska. It has failed, other than women's volleyball.

Rutgers and Maryland were the correct adds, and additional adds probably need to be of that type.
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(03-20-2017 02:42 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  What about UConn and Navy or UConn and Temple to ACC? Would help with ACC TV

Again, as part of the ACC's due diligence, they undoubtedly looked at this. They had professionals advising them on the ACCN. Just my guess , but I would think that the potential increase in cable box fees was more than offset by the fact that they could not get an increase in the value of the overall media rights to justify adding two new schools without existing members taking a haircut.

In the end, it's the money that talks. If going to 16 would have strengthened the Conference financially over the long-term, they would have acted accordingly, IMO. Once again, IMO, nobody would move that needle except for a ND or Texas.
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(03-20-2017 12:39 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  I agree with much of your analysis, however football independence just isn't viable except for programs with a national following (ND, BYU, service academies maybe). Scheduling becomes nearly impossible and this would be the death knell for UCONN football. Maybe they prefer that; who knows.

This gets tossed around a lot, but I'm not totally convinced that it's true. UMass and Liberty would sign up for annual series yesterday, and you should be able to get something on a recurring basis with Army too (maybe at Yankee Stadium in November every year - they did that a few years ago and it worked really well). If you could get a two-home, two-away scheduling arrangement with any one of the MAC/SBC/CUSA those seven plus your FCS game gives you a reliable 8 games every year and then you're just scheduling four "OOC" games every year, which isn't that much different than what you're doing now. Hell, maybe BYU agrees to an annual series in November that alternates between Provo and one of the NYC baseball stadiums just to get the New York games. Four CUSA teams, Army/UMass/Liberty/BYU, an FCS opponent, and three low-level P5 opponents is doable.
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The ACC won't touch Liberty (for good reason).

UMass would not be a bad addition but with Boston College they don't really need to go there.
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(03-20-2017 03:35 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  The ACC won't touch Liberty (for good reason).

UMass would not be a bad addition but with Boston College they don't really need to go there.

I'm talking about UConn putting together a schedule as an independent, not all (or even any) of those schools joining/affiliating with the ACC.
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(03-20-2017 03:23 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 12:39 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  I agree with much of your analysis, however football independence just isn't viable except for programs with a national following (ND, BYU, service academies maybe). Scheduling becomes nearly impossible and this would be the death knell for UCONN football. Maybe they prefer that; who knows.

This gets tossed around a lot, but I'm not totally convinced that it's true. UMass and Liberty would sign up for annual series yesterday, and you should be able to get something on a recurring basis with Army too (maybe at Yankee Stadium in November every year - they did that a few years ago and it worked really well). If you could get a two-home, two-away scheduling arrangement with any one of the MAC/SBC/CUSA those seven plus your FCS game gives you a reliable 8 games every year and then you're just scheduling four "OOC" games every year, which isn't that much different than what you're doing now. Hell, maybe BYU agrees to an annual series in November that alternates between Provo and one of the NYC baseball stadiums just to get the New York games. Four CUSA teams, Army/UMass/Liberty/BYU, an FCS opponent, and three low-level P5 opponents is doable.

Disadvantages:
  • No/less potential CFB Playoff Money
  • No Access Bowl slot
  • No Bowl tie-ins. This could be an issue if the number of bowls goes down and there aren't any unfilled slots.


This would also assume that UCOnn could get a local TV contract (SNY would be willing but they'd get pre-empted for the Mets or have to schedule around the Mets). It could happen but I think the independent route moves UConn further away from a P5 slot should one become available.
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(03-20-2017 02:42 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  What about UConn and Navy or UConn and Temple to ACC? Would help with ACC TV

Nah. We're full.
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(03-20-2017 04:53 PM)megadrone Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 03:23 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 12:39 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  I agree with much of your analysis, however football independence just isn't viable except for programs with a national following (ND, BYU, service academies maybe). Scheduling becomes nearly impossible and this would be the death knell for UCONN football. Maybe they prefer that; who knows.

This gets tossed around a lot, but I'm not totally convinced that it's true. UMass and Liberty would sign up for annual series yesterday, and you should be able to get something on a recurring basis with Army too (maybe at Yankee Stadium in November every year - they did that a few years ago and it worked really well). If you could get a two-home, two-away scheduling arrangement with any one of the MAC/SBC/CUSA those seven plus your FCS game gives you a reliable 8 games every year and then you're just scheduling four "OOC" games every year, which isn't that much different than what you're doing now. Hell, maybe BYU agrees to an annual series in November that alternates between Provo and one of the NYC baseball stadiums just to get the New York games. Four CUSA teams, Army/UMass/Liberty/BYU, an FCS opponent, and three low-level P5 opponents is doable.

Disadvantages:
  • No/less potential CFB Playoff Money
  • No Access Bowl slot
  • No Bowl tie-ins. This could be an issue if the number of bowls goes down and there aren't any unfilled slots.


This would also assume that UCOnn could get a local TV contract (SNY would be willing but they'd get pre-empted for the Mets or have to schedule around the Mets). It could happen but I think the independent route moves UConn further away from a P5 slot should one become available.

I'm really not concerned about the access bowl - if being in a much more logical/lucrative basketball conference means once every 15-20 years UConn plays in the Las Vegas Bowl instead of the Fiesta Bowl, that's not much of a sacrifice (and that's assuming UConn can actually be the highest-rated G5 program once every decade and a half). Any lost revenue from the CFB playoff would be more than offset by the bump in revenue from the Big East and selling football independently, and you may even be able to get bowl tie-ins through CUSA or the Sun Belt.

As far as TV goes - they'd get bidders locally, like you said. I think they could even get Fox to toss them a little money to fill that noontime slot to grease the wheels on getting both basketball programs in-house. It's one thing to say that UConn doesn't bring an additional $25-30 million a year in added value to the ACC or B1G, but Fox would be getting the option to purchase all UConn sports a la carte for like $5-7 million (total, which would mean something like 500k-2.5mil for football on top of the BE money), which is much more reasonable.
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