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Congratulations Ambrose! As you can see our ODU fans are behind you.

So some of you think:

UNCW
College of Charleston
Towson
William & Mary

are better than

MTSU
La Tech
ODU
UTEP

You are only kidding yourselves. Put your numbers down and use your eyes. Seriously.

The high stakes atmosphere of the NCAAT rewards a smooth operator with a hot hand. If Ambrose can light it up from 3, UNCW should be fun to watch regardless of who they line up against

We wouldn't have run through the CAA, but we could have been the 3rd best team in that conference. I know W&M beat us, but we had a terrible game and it happens. Not a ton of difference between us, W&M, and Towson. UNC-W is clearly ahead of us (but behind MTSU). Charleston was better than us this year (but behind La Tech)

The top 4 of CUSA is better than the top 4 of CAA; but, CUSA has too much dead weight.

I watched UNCW play W&M the other night and sorry, but we more than likely would not beat them. They played with fire and composure and discipline. They looked good.

CUSA is a one bid conference, maybe 2 if MTSU loses their champ game.

CAA is a one bid conference.

(03-08-2017 10:11 AM)odu09 Wrote:  CUSA is a one bid conference, maybe 2 if MTSU loses their champ game.

CAA is a one bid conference.

If UNC-W lost in the title game, they may have gotten in as well though.

(03-08-2017 09:15 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  Forget UNCW's coach and Mosley... If we stayed in the CAA with JJ and the teams we've had, I'm pretty sure we would have ran away with the CAA tourney and made the dance already. The team we have this year would have ran through it too

No guarantee on this statement. We arent in the CAA anymore so why is that even relevant?

We chose to start football. With that came a move from CAA to CUSA. Our University Admin made tons of decisions to get us into the position we are now. The one decision I think they dropped the ball on was at the top of the Mens Basketball program but thats my opinion. I've enjoyed the short stints of success (11-1 start to a season, BRIEF top 25 ranking) but those havent been sustained over any long period of the seasons. Dont talk about the old days, or if we were in the CAA. We are where we are in the CUSA. If our University admin wanted us to be dancing they would have made some difference decisions at the top but they didnt.

UNCW took care of business for the conference they're in so good for them.

Hopefully we will too because I want that for ODU, but realistically, I dont think we'll take care of business in our own conference.

BTW in case you forgot, we're in CUSA now, not the CAA.

(03-08-2017 10:20 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 09:15 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  Forget UNCW's coach and Mosley... If we stayed in the CAA with JJ and the teams we've had, I'm pretty sure we would have ran away with the CAA tourney and made the dance already. The team we have this year would have ran through it too

No guarantee on this statement. We arent in the CAA anymore so why is that even relevant?

We chose to start football. With that came a move from CAA to CUSA. Our University Admin made tons of decisions to get us into the position we are now. The one decision I think they dropped the ball on was at the top of the Mens Basketball program but thats my opinion. I've enjoyed the short stints of success (11-1 start to a season, BRIEF top 25 ranking) but those havent been sustained over any long period of the seasons. Dont talk about the old days, or if we were in the CAA. We are where we are in the CUSA. If our University admin wanted us to be dancing they would have made some difference decisions at the top but they didnt.

UNCW took care of business for the conference they're in so good for them.

Hopefully we will too because I want that for ODU, but realistically, I dont think we'll take care of business in our own conference.

BTW in case you forgot, we're in CUSA now, not the CAA.

I wasn't wishing for the CAA days, simply stating that I think we could have won it at least once since we've left (because some were talking about how UNCW was ahead of us because they made it to the dance before we did since we left). I was a little strong saying we would have ran through it and I retract it to say we would be competitive, I was just tired of seeing people think we are inferior because the dead weight in this conference brought us down to the 24th ranked NCAA basketball conference.

This also has nothing to do with football haha, I am very well aware why the moves were made and why we're in the position we're in now. It was a great choice for our athletic department, it's just unfortunate that CUSA has fallen so far behind since. Still, I wouldn't trade away our bowl win this year for anything regarding CAA.

And besides, our conference tournament hasn't even happened. As you said, I would love for us to take care of business and make it in, even though MTSU looks like they're an unstoppable force right now.

(03-08-2017 10:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 10:11 AM)odu09 Wrote:  CUSA is a one bid conference, maybe 2 if MTSU loses their champ game.

CAA is a one bid conference.

If UNC-W lost in the title game, they may have gotten in as well though.

Maybe, but MTSU has the stronger case

(03-08-2017 10:37 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 10:20 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 09:15 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  Forget UNCW's coach and Mosley... If we stayed in the CAA with JJ and the teams we've had, I'm pretty sure we would have ran away with the CAA tourney and made the dance already. The team we have this year would have ran through it too

No guarantee on this statement. We arent in the CAA anymore so why is that even relevant?

We chose to start football. With that came a move from CAA to CUSA. Our University Admin made tons of decisions to get us into the position we are now. The one decision I think they dropped the ball on was at the top of the Mens Basketball program but thats my opinion. I've enjoyed the short stints of success (11-1 start to a season, BRIEF top 25 ranking) but those havent been sustained over any long period of the seasons. Dont talk about the old days, or if we were in the CAA. We are where we are in the CUSA. If our University admin wanted us to be dancing they would have made some difference decisions at the top but they didnt.

UNCW took care of business for the conference they're in so good for them.

Hopefully we will too because I want that for ODU, but realistically, I dont think we'll take care of business in our own conference.

BTW in case you forgot, we're in CUSA now, not the CAA.

I wasn't wishing for the CAA days, simply stating that I think we could have won it at least once since we've left (because some were talking about how UNCW was ahead of us because they made it to the dance before we did since we left). I was a little strong saying we would have ran through it and I retract it to say we would be competitive, I was just tired of seeing people think we are inferior because the dead weight in this conference brought us down to the 24th ranked NCAA basketball conference.

This also has nothing to do with football haha, I am very well aware why the moves were made and why we're in the position we're in now. It was a great choice for our athletic department, it's just unfortunate that CUSA has fallen so far behind since. Still, I wouldn't trade away our bowl win this year for anything regarding CAA.

And besides, our conference tournament hasn't even happened. As you said, I would love for us to take care of business and make it in, even though MTSU looks like they're an unstoppable force right now.

If we are talking hypotheticals, the real question is if you would trade football for A10 basketball, because that's basically what ended up happening.

(03-08-2017 10:39 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 10:37 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 10:20 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 09:15 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  Forget UNCW's coach and Mosley... If we stayed in the CAA with JJ and the teams we've had, I'm pretty sure we would have ran away with the CAA tourney and made the dance already. The team we have this year would have ran through it too

No guarantee on this statement. We arent in the CAA anymore so why is that even relevant?

We chose to start football. With that came a move from CAA to CUSA. Our University Admin made tons of decisions to get us into the position we are now. The one decision I think they dropped the ball on was at the top of the Mens Basketball program but thats my opinion. I've enjoyed the short stints of success (11-1 start to a season, BRIEF top 25 ranking) but those havent been sustained over any long period of the seasons. Dont talk about the old days, or if we were in the CAA. We are where we are in the CUSA. If our University admin wanted us to be dancing they would have made some difference decisions at the top but they didnt.

UNCW took care of business for the conference they're in so good for them.

Hopefully we will too because I want that for ODU, but realistically, I dont think we'll take care of business in our own conference.

BTW in case you forgot, we're in CUSA now, not the CAA.

I wasn't wishing for the CAA days, simply stating that I think we could have won it at least once since we've left (because some were talking about how UNCW was ahead of us because they made it to the dance before we did since we left). I was a little strong saying we would have ran through it and I retract it to say we would be competitive, I was just tired of seeing people think we are inferior because the dead weight in this conference brought us down to the 24th ranked NCAA basketball conference.

This also has nothing to do with football haha, I am very well aware why the moves were made and why we're in the position we're in now. It was a great choice for our athletic department, it's just unfortunate that CUSA has fallen so far behind since. Still, I wouldn't trade away our bowl win this year for anything regarding CAA.

And besides, our conference tournament hasn't even happened. As you said, I would love for us to take care of business and make it in, even though MTSU looks like they're an unstoppable force right now.

If we are talking hypotheticals, the real question is if you would trade football for A10 basketball, because that's basically what ended up happening.

This hypothetical has always given me a headache haha, I love ODU Football but I think A10 basketball would be fantastic for our basketball program (as long as VCU, U of R, and a couple of others don't leave for any other hypothetical reasons). My hypothetical would be CUSA football and A10 basketball... Or AAC altogether if the we can be in it with the big name FB and BB schools

(03-08-2017 10:39 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 10:37 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 10:20 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 09:15 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  Forget UNCW's coach and Mosley... If we stayed in the CAA with JJ and the teams we've had, I'm pretty sure we would have ran away with the CAA tourney and made the dance already. The team we have this year would have ran through it too

No guarantee on this statement. We arent in the CAA anymore so why is that even relevant?

We chose to start football. With that came a move from CAA to CUSA. Our University Admin made tons of decisions to get us into the position we are now. The one decision I think they dropped the ball on was at the top of the Mens Basketball program but thats my opinion. I've enjoyed the short stints of success (11-1 start to a season, BRIEF top 25 ranking) but those havent been sustained over any long period of the seasons. Dont talk about the old days, or if we were in the CAA. We are where we are in the CUSA. If our University admin wanted us to be dancing they would have made some difference decisions at the top but they didnt.

UNCW took care of business for the conference they're in so good for them.

Hopefully we will too because I want that for ODU, but realistically, I dont think we'll take care of business in our own conference.

BTW in case you forgot, we're in CUSA now, not the CAA.

I wasn't wishing for the CAA days, simply stating that I think we could have won it at least once since we've left (because some were talking about how UNCW was ahead of us because they made it to the dance before we did since we left). I was a little strong saying we would have ran through it and I retract it to say we would be competitive, I was just tired of seeing people think we are inferior because the dead weight in this conference brought us down to the 24th ranked NCAA basketball conference.

This also has nothing to do with football haha, I am very well aware why the moves were made and why we're in the position we're in now. It was a great choice for our athletic department, it's just unfortunate that CUSA has fallen so far behind since. Still, I wouldn't trade away our bowl win this year for anything regarding CAA.

And besides, our conference tournament hasn't even happened. As you said, I would love for us to take care of business and make it in, even though MTSU looks like they're an unstoppable force right now.

If we are talking hypotheticals, the real question is if you would trade football for A10 basketball, because that's basically what ended up happening.

It is still early, but as of now, I have seen nothing worth trading A10 basketball for CUSA football. If we ever get our football program to the level of a Boise State or even ECU where we are making real bowl games and winning games against BCS schools, that might change my mind. Not saying I don't enjoy CUSA footbal... I like both sports... but we have a better chance of blowing up as an athletic department with A10 basketball than CUSA football. I also enjoy CUSA football only marginally better than CAA football while I would enjoy A10 basketball leaps and bounds over either CAA basketball (what is left of it) or CUSA basketball. But as I said, my mind could very well change over time.

(03-08-2017 10:11 AM)odu09 Wrote:  CUSA is a one bid conference, maybe 2 if MTSU loses their champ game.

CAA is a one bid conference.

Wilmington had as good of a chance to be an at large as MTSU.

I would put MTSU and Wilmington as pretty close, maybe the slightest edge to MTSU. 2 and 3 are pretty even. I give 4 to CAA.

Could somebody show me proof that ODU made a choice between A-10 basketball and joining the CUSA. As far as I know ODU did not turn down an invitation to the A-10. ODU started football well before VCU joined the A-10, and we were not going to be allowed to keep football in the CAA even if we had an A-10 invitation. ODU chose to join CUSA in order to play FBS football and it was NOT at the expense of an A-10 membership. That is a false narrative!

We were not invited to join the A-10 but man, I sure wish we were in it. Yeah, its was about football. Ugg.

We were invited to join the A10. They wanted ODU and VCU, not GMU and VCU. Turning down the overture is what got Butler the invite originally. We would have had the same status as Richmond. It was not public and it was not in writing. I don't ever claim insider info, but this nugget I know. We indeed chose CUSA football over A10 basketball, for better or worse.

If anyone wonders why we picked football over basketball, take a look at the growth ODAF has had since football started and look at the variance between total ticket sales revenue for football and hoops.

Got a link to that?

(03-08-2017 12:10 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  We were invited to join the A10. They wanted ODU and VCU, not GMU and VCU. Turning down the overture is what got Butler the invite originally. We would have had the same status as Richmond. It was not public and it was not in writing. I don't ever claim insider info, but this nugget I know. We indeed chose CUSA football over A10 basketball, for better or worse.

I do not believe this to be true, and you can present no evidence to back it up. I will leave this conversation at that.