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Ambrose Mosley,what a smile! Now we are back on topic.

(03-07-2017 09:35 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 09:24 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 09:12 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 09:03 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:56 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  No doubt. But, with the wrong choice, we could have really set the program back for years. Jones nearly took us to the NCAA tournament in his second year (and you could argue we deserved a bid that year), and now has clearly stabilized the program and given us hope for a bid in the near future. If we don't go dancing in the next couple of years, he should be gone, for sure. But, as I see it, we have a 22% chance (according to KenPom) of winning it all this weekend. I'm patient enough to see how it plays out.

I suppose SOMEONE could really have set the program back, but they would have had to be REALLY bad. So bad that somebody who does an even decent job of evaluating coaches should be able to avoid. I would argue that JJ has done nothing more than let the program achieve its natural state. I think the state of the program after one awful year is extremely overstated. I don't believe it was nearly as perilous as some others. If we ever get a chance to move on from JJ I really hope we can finally hire a coach based on the potential ceiling rather than focusing on the floor.

I really hope you are right. You would think your second statement would be true, but it's not always the case...

We have to invest the money. You generally get what you pay for. For what we are paying JJ, it was actually a good pick. Safe, yes, but when you are paying less than what high major top assistants are getting paid, we really had no choice but to get someone from a low major and when you do that, you are usually better off going with experience. Bottom line is we either couldn't afford Keatts or weren't willing to afford him. The more money you will pay, the better the options you have. Simple supply and demand. My issue was that we downgraded the position. Blaine was making around $1M. Huge cut.

I dont disagree. The question is, were we only paying low because the candidates we not spectacular or vice versa? I had heard we were willing to get close to a million a year if we could land a superstar high-demand person. My guess is Andy Enfield would have made a lot more than JJ is. Once we wiffed on landing him, JJ was all that was left. A .500 coach with a .500 team in a weak (but now better than CUSA) conference. Jones didnt deserve the higher starting salary, and it wouldn't have been prudent to give it to him at that point. If we could have landed Anthony Grant or someone like that would we have been willing to pay $800,000+?

I don't know. I concede that with what we are paying Jones, he is a good value. As far as the finances of the AD are concerned, that is beyond my knowledge. I do know that when we decided to move up to FBS, we were supposedly going to be making money, which theoretically could be reinvested in football and basketball. I cannot say whether or not that is the case, but the fact that we can afford a new football stadium, I would venture to guess we could afford to buy a $1M-$2M basketball coach, which is a relative drop in the bucket. But, as I said, I am not close to the situation and perhaps there are special rules and accounting games that can be played to use general funds as opposed to athletic funds for the stadium, such as putting a classroom in it or calling it "multi-purpose" whereas a basketball coach salary has to use athletic funds.

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Ambrose Mosley,what a smile! Now we are back on topic.

+however many times you said Mosley

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No thread is safe!

All good though. Glad Mosley took his 2nd chance and gave it his all, providing experience for a team and help them to an NCAAT bid. That's what landing on your feet is all about

(03-07-2017 09:03 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:56 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:50 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:21 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:15 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Probably with another solid coach to slide into his place. That's what happens when your University invests in its coaches, they may leave for a higher position but you're also getting great candidates for the next hire. Something we don't really know about...

Oh, stop. "Invests in its coaches", are you kidding me? That place has been a dumpster fire since they chased Brownell away (to Wright State!) for not "investing in its coaches," whatever that means.

Keatts is a rising star. No doubt. But, when we were looking for a coach, and some would argue even now, there was a lingering cloud about a NCAA investigation at Louisville. Props to Wilmington, they took a chance on him, then an all-conference player literally walks into a gym and asks for a tryout. He wins two conference tourneys with him, and boom, he's out the door. There is absolutely no guarantee that the next candidate is going to be a great hire.

That is what can be achieved when you don't always make the safe choice.

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No doubt. But, with the wrong choice, we could have really set the program back for years. Jones nearly took us to the NCAA tournament in his second year (and you could argue we deserved a bid that year), and now has clearly stabilized the program and given us hope for a bid in the near future. If we don't go dancing in the next couple of years, he should be gone, for sure. But, as I see it, we have a 22% chance (according to KenPom) of winning it all this weekend. I'm patient enough to see how it plays out.

I suppose SOMEONE could really have set the program back, but they would have had to be REALLY bad. So bad that somebody who does an even decent job of evaluating coaches should be able to avoid. I would argue that JJ has done nothing more than let the program achieve its natural state. I think the state of the program after one awful year is extremely overstated. I don't believe it was nearly as perilous as some others. If we ever get a chance to move on from JJ I really hope we can finally hire a coach based on the potential ceiling rather than focusing on the floor.

Great line. Love it. Yep, if it's stability you want at the Mid Major level, simply hire a mediocre coach and that's what you'll get.

(03-07-2017 08:21 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:15 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 06:28 AM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  Kevin Keatts heading to his second NCAA tournament as well. What could have, would have, should have been.

Yep...he will be someplace else in 2-3 months.

Probably with another solid coach to slide into his place. That's what happens when your University invests in its coaches, they may leave for a higher position but you're also getting great candidates for the next hire. Something we don't really know about...

Oh, stop. "Invests in its coaches", are you kidding me? That place has been a dumpster fire since they chased Brownell away (to Wright State!) for not "investing in its coaches," whatever that means.

Keatts is a rising star. No doubt. But, when we were looking for a coach, and some would argue even now, there was a lingering cloud about a NCAA investigation at Louisville. Props to Wilmington, they took a chance on him, then an all-conference player literally walks into a gym and asks for a tryout. He wins two conference tourneys with him, and boom, he's out the door. There is absolutely no guarantee that the next candidate is going to be a great hire.

And trey Freeman walked right into JJ's gym and we didn't win anything.

Keatts was then and still is now, the better choice. Just accept it.

(03-07-2017 04:47 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:21 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:15 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 06:28 AM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  Kevin Keatts heading to his second NCAA tournament as well. What could have, would have, should have been.

Yep...he will be someplace else in 2-3 months.

Probably with another solid coach to slide into his place. That's what happens when your University invests in its coaches, they may leave for a higher position but you're also getting great candidates for the next hire. Something we don't really know about...

Oh, stop. "Invests in its coaches", are you kidding me? That place has been a dumpster fire since they chased Brownell away (to Wright State!) for not "investing in its coaches," whatever that means.

Keatts is a rising star. No doubt. But, when we were looking for a coach, and some would argue even now, there was a lingering cloud about a NCAA investigation at Louisville. Props to Wilmington, they took a chance on him, then an all-conference player literally walks into a gym and asks for a tryout. He wins two conference tourneys with him, and boom, he's out the door. There is absolutely no guarantee that the next candidate is going to be a great hire.

And trey Freeman walked right into JJ's gym and we didn't win anything.

Keatts was then and still is now, the better choice. Just accept it.

3 points from a championship and the first Top 25 ranking in program history, but keep up the negativity instead, I've accepted that.

Keats would have been a great short term choice. The

(03-07-2017 07:32 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 04:47 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:21 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:15 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Yep...he will be someplace else in 2-3 months.

Probably with another solid coach to slide into his place. That's what happens when your University invests in its coaches, they may leave for a higher position but you're also getting great candidates for the next hire. Something we don't really know about...

Oh, stop. "Invests in its coaches", are you kidding me? That place has been a dumpster fire since they chased Brownell away (to Wright State!) for not "investing in its coaches," whatever that means.

Keatts is a rising star. No doubt. But, when we were looking for a coach, and some would argue even now, there was a lingering cloud about a NCAA investigation at Louisville. Props to Wilmington, they took a chance on him, then an all-conference player literally walks into a gym and asks for a tryout. He wins two conference tourneys with him, and boom, he's out the door. There is absolutely no guarantee that the next candidate is going to be a great hire.

And trey Freeman walked right into JJ's gym and we didn't win anything.

Keatts was then and still is now, the better choice. Just accept it.

3 points from a championship and the first Top 25 ranking in program history, but keep up the negativity instead, I've accepted that.

Are we hanging our hats on almost winning conference championships now?

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(03-07-2017 07:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Keats would have been a great short term choice. The

And after he elevated the program and filled the coffers by selling out The Ted regularly we would have been well positioned to hire his replacement.

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(03-07-2017 07:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Keats would have been a great short term choice. The

Look at how well vcu has done with rotating coaches.

7 straight years in the NCAA tourney.

Capel then grant then smart and now wade.

Constant turnover yet constant success.

Beats no turnover and little success any day of the week.

Keatts is blowing JJ out of the water and it's not up for debate.

(03-07-2017 07:32 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 04:47 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:21 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:15 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Yep...he will be someplace else in 2-3 months.

Probably with another solid coach to slide into his place. That's what happens when your University invests in its coaches, they may leave for a higher position but you're also getting great candidates for the next hire. Something we don't really know about...

Oh, stop. "Invests in its coaches", are you kidding me? That place has been a dumpster fire since they chased Brownell away (to Wright State!) for not "investing in its coaches," whatever that means.

Keatts is a rising star. No doubt. But, when we were looking for a coach, and some would argue even now, there was a lingering cloud about a NCAA investigation at Louisville. Props to Wilmington, they took a chance on him, then an all-conference player literally walks into a gym and asks for a tryout. He wins two conference tourneys with him, and boom, he's out the door. There is absolutely no guarantee that the next candidate is going to be a great hire.

And trey Freeman walked right into JJ's gym and we didn't win anything.

Keatts was then and still is now, the better choice. Just accept it.

3 points from a championship and the first Top 25 ranking in program history, but keep up the negativity instead, I've accepted that.

Maybe we can hang a banner up in the Ted that says "3 points from a conference championship".

Give me a break. Hey we almost beat Louisville too!

(03-08-2017 12:02 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 07:32 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 04:47 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:21 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:15 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Probably with another solid coach to slide into his place. That's what happens when your University invests in its coaches, they may leave for a higher position but you're also getting great candidates for the next hire. Something we don't really know about...

Oh, stop. "Invests in its coaches", are you kidding me? That place has been a dumpster fire since they chased Brownell away (to Wright State!) for not "investing in its coaches," whatever that means.

Keatts is a rising star. No doubt. But, when we were looking for a coach, and some would argue even now, there was a lingering cloud about a NCAA investigation at Louisville. Props to Wilmington, they took a chance on him, then an all-conference player literally walks into a gym and asks for a tryout. He wins two conference tourneys with him, and boom, he's out the door. There is absolutely no guarantee that the next candidate is going to be a great hire.

And trey Freeman walked right into JJ's gym and we didn't win anything.

Keatts was then and still is now, the better choice. Just accept it.

3 points from a championship and the first Top 25 ranking in program history, but keep up the negativity instead, I've accepted that.

Maybe we can hang a banner up in the Ted that says "3 points from a conference championship".

Give me a break. Hey we almost beat Louisville too!

You know I'm not suggesting that. All I'm saying is it's not as doom and gloom and terrible as you try to make it out to be.

Very happy for Ambrose! I will cheer on his team during the tournament, hoping that they can advance.

Forget UNCW's coach and Mosley... If we stayed in the CAA with JJ and the teams we've had, I'm pretty sure we would have ran away with the CAA tourney and made the dance already. The team we have this year would have ran through it too

(03-08-2017 09:15 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  Forget UNCW's coach and Mosley... If we stayed in the CAA with JJ and the teams we've had, I'm pretty sure we would have ran away with the CAA tourney and made the dance already. The team we have this year would have ran through it too

Maybe, we went 2-1 against them this year. Beating JMU and scraping by Towson. W&M handled us pretty well and finished 4th. The top of the CAA would be no cake walk.

(03-08-2017 09:15 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  Forget UNCW's coach and Mosley... If we stayed in the CAA with JJ and the teams we've had, I'm pretty sure we would have ran away with the CAA tourney and made the dance already. The team we have this year would have ran through it too

William and Mary beat us by double digits at home. Not sure we would have run away with that conference. Granted we got better as the year went along, but W&M was the fourth best team in the conference.

(03-08-2017 09:21 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 09:15 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  Forget UNCW's coach and Mosley... If we stayed in the CAA with JJ and the teams we've had, I'm pretty sure we would have ran away with the CAA tourney and made the dance already. The team we have this year would have ran through it too

Maybe, we went 2-1 against them this year. Beating JMU and scraping by Towson. W&M handled us pretty well and finished 4th. The top of the CAA would be no cake walk.

We had a slow start to the season I will give you that but we ramped it up in conference play. UTSA was ugly and an uninspiring way to end the regular season, but I feel that if we got into the tournament with the way we've been playing in the second half of the season, we would have won. I'm not trying to discredit the top of the CAA but I feel like once this team clicked things we were scary to face. I would still bet on the upper tier CUSA teams over the upper tier CAA teams, or at least say they'd be pretty competitive

(03-08-2017 09:23 AM)odufansam Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 09:15 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  Forget UNCW's coach and Mosley... If we stayed in the CAA with JJ and the teams we've had, I'm pretty sure we would have ran away with the CAA tourney and made the dance already. The team we have this year would have ran through it too

William and Mary beat us by double digits at home. Not sure we would have run away with that conference. Granted we got better as the year went along, but W&M was the fourth best team in the conference.

Maybe run through was bas phrasing. I still think we'd have a chance to win it and get in

(03-08-2017 09:15 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  Forget UNCW's coach and Mosley... If we stayed in the CAA with JJ and the teams we've had, I'm pretty sure we would have ran away with the CAA tourney and made the dance already. The team we have this year would have ran through it too

Putting the stats aside that show the CAA is a better conference...

This team lost to W&M, Marshall, Charlotte, FAU, and UTSA and our best win is at 19-11 Richmond.

Jones's best team from 2 years ago had multiple bad losses in conference.

Heck, we have now been surpassed by W&M. Jones is 1-4 against them. WILLIAM & MARY! The same program that Blaine lost to maybe twice in his entire tenure. W&M has never won the CAA tournament so the fact that we can't beat them tells me JJ absolutely would not have run through the CAA.

I disagree with your assessment.