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(03-03-2017 12:58 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 12:36 PM)djnva Wrote:  I get that. But that includes VCU and Dayton who might be jumping.

Look at the A-10 without those schools--who's the standard bearer?

Davidson, St. Joe's, St. Bonnies, Richmond, URI, and GW have all been in the NCAAs in the last few years. La Salle makes it from time to time as well. AAC has Cincy and Temple. Memphis lost the Coach Cal momentum and I bet SMU loses the Larry Brown momentum and UCONN the Calhoun momentum in the next couple of years as well. Top to bottom, the A10 has better basketball programs and they are much more regional.

GW is a dumpster fire right now. St. Bonnie's is only occasionally good. Richmond and St Louis are still potential Big East additions. As long as UMass has FBS football, they have to be considered at least a moderate flight risk (even if they'll only leave for the AAC). Rhode Island underachieves and goes through droughts. Davidson and St. Joe's are fine, but they'll be the bell cows of a CAA-level conference if VCU and Dayton leave. And there's no obvious home-run additions if anyone leaves.

It's all about the $$$

If VCU, Dayton, and WSU get more money from AAC why wouldn't they go

I think I would have to hide from the internet for a year or two if VCU ever goes to a bigger conference than the A10

(03-03-2017 05:36 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 12:58 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 12:36 PM)djnva Wrote:  I get that. But that includes VCU and Dayton who might be jumping.

Look at the A-10 without those schools--who's the standard bearer?

Davidson, St. Joe's, St. Bonnies, Richmond, URI, and GW have all been in the NCAAs in the last few years. La Salle makes it from time to time as well. AAC has Cincy and Temple. Memphis lost the Coach Cal momentum and I bet SMU loses the Larry Brown momentum and UCONN the Calhoun momentum in the next couple of years as well. Top to bottom, the A10 has better basketball programs and they are much more regional.

GW is a dumpster fire right now. St. Bonnie's is only occasionally good. Richmond and St Louis are still potential Big East additions. As long as UMass has FBS football, they have to be considered at least a moderate flight risk (even if they'll only leave for the AAC). Rhode Island underachieves and goes through droughts. Davidson and St. Joe's are fine, but they'll be the bell cows of a CAA-level conference if VCU and Dayton leave. And there's no obvious home-run additions if anyone leaves.

This is pretty spot on.

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If VCU is in any way involved, a rumor isn't the only thing that is going around

If VCU joined the AAC as a basketball only school, I'd have to assume they would not share football generated revenue. Correct? if so, what indeed is the financial advantage?

(03-04-2017 07:23 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  If VCU joined the AAC as a basketball only school, I'd have to assume they would not share football generated revenue. Correct? if so, what indeed is the financial advantage?

The more NCAA bids from bball the more money to split. It dapends on how the two conferences distribute the NCAA money, and of course the num er of bids.

According to CBS, "...VCU and Dayton were not in the mix."

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...k0&irgwc=1

(03-04-2017 07:36 AM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 07:23 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  If VCU joined the AAC as a basketball only school, I'd have to assume they would not share football generated revenue. Correct? if so, what indeed is the financial advantage?

The more NCAA bids from bball the more money to split. It dapends on how the two conferences distribute the NCAA money, and of course the num er of bids.

From my understanding basketball would be valued at like 25-30% of their TV contract. So they'd get a partial cut of that but probably none of the CFP distribution. There might be more NCAA credits in the new AAC but currently they get 75% of the credits they earn instead of sharing them evenly. It's hard to tell but I'd guess there'd be an increase in revenues but unless the AACs TV deal takes a big jump it wouldn't be a windfall. They'd be facing increased travel costs, entrance and exit fees and would abandon a good amount of NCAA credits they've already earned.

(03-04-2017 07:48 AM)ODUi Wrote:  According to CBS, "...VCU and Dayton were not in the mix."

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...k0&irgwc=1

"The American contract expires in 2019. An industry source told CBS Sports last month a new deal would be valued at $2 million-$3 million per year. That would mean an average of $225,000-$250,000 per school annually."

Yikes. That's about what we're getting per team.

(03-03-2017 04:44 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 04:24 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  Having a mix of football playing schools and non-football playing schools is how the AAC came into being in the first place. I get the AAC basketball coaches would like to increase their basketball strength but a house divided between football and basketball will doom them. Again.

It won't be evenly spli like the BE was. A few non FB schools won't upset the apple cart but they will be treated like the redheaded stepchild. I think the profile and exposure would be greater for VCU and maybe some more money but it may be a wash when you account for travel and NCAA distributions left on the table. It'll be a risk for them though if the B12 or any other P5 schools decides to move again.

If they do move, would that help or hurt ODU's chances of getting an invite in the future. I think it signifies that they won't expand with more FB schools but if they're raided they will likely replace.

VCU and Dayton will want to go to the Big East (like Xavier and Butler), not the AAC.

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(03-03-2017 03:26 PM)EPJr2 Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 11:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Why would Dayton and/or VCU go to a lesser basketball conference that focuses on football, would substantially increase travel, and allots less NCAA Tounament money to the schools that earned it? Zero chance. Big East would be a more credible rumor. Wichita State, maybe.

lesser?
AAC RPI = 7
A-10 RPI = 8

Lateral move at best. Would be like ODU moving to the MAC. Ain't happening.

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The bigger question is how in the heck did we wind up in the 24th ranked conference? This is the worst we've ever been in and it's not even close. Let me know when there's a rumor about us to the AAC and I'll be happy.

(03-04-2017 09:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 04:44 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 04:24 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  Having a mix of football playing schools and non-football playing schools is how the AAC came into being in the first place. I get the AAC basketball coaches would like to increase their basketball strength but a house divided between football and basketball will doom them. Again.

It won't be evenly spli like the BE was. A few non FB schools won't upset the apple cart but they will be treated like the redheaded stepchild. I think the profile and exposure would be greater for VCU and maybe some more money but it may be a wash when you account for travel and NCAA distributions left on the table. It'll be a risk for them though if the B12 or any other P5 schools decides to move again.

If they do move, would that help or hurt ODU's chances of getting an invite in the future. I think it signifies that they won't expand with more FB schools but if they're raided they will likely replace.

VCU and Dayton will want to go to the Big East (like Xavier and Butler), not the AAC.

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That's what they will want, but they will never get it. Big East is all private schools.

(03-04-2017 09:35 AM)monarx Wrote:  The bigger question is how in the heck did we wind up in the 24th ranked conference? This is the worst we've ever been in and it's not even close. Let me know when there's a rumor about us to the AAC and I'll be happy.

Because FBS

(03-04-2017 09:58 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 04:44 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 04:24 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  Having a mix of football playing schools and non-football playing schools is how the AAC came into being in the first place. I get the AAC basketball coaches would like to increase their basketball strength but a house divided between football and basketball will doom them. Again.

It won't be evenly spli like the BE was. A few non FB schools won't upset the apple cart but they will be treated like the redheaded stepchild. I think the profile and exposure would be greater for VCU and maybe some more money but it may be a wash when you account for travel and NCAA distributions left on the table. It'll be a risk for them though if the B12 or any other P5 schools decides to move again.

If they do move, would that help or hurt ODU's chances of getting an invite in the future. I think it signifies that they won't expand with more FB schools but if they're raided they will likely replace.

VCU and Dayton will want to go to the Big East (like Xavier and Butler), not the AAC.

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That's what they will want, but they will never get it. Big East is all private schools.

Dayton is a private Catholic school. Perfect fit. Same with St. Louis. Richmond isn't Catholic but may be a good fit. You have a point with regards to VCU.

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(03-04-2017 08:59 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 07:48 AM)ODUi Wrote:  According to CBS, "...VCU and Dayton were not in the mix."

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...k0&irgwc=1

"The American contract expires in 2019. An industry source told CBS Sports last month a new deal would be valued at $2 million-$3 million per year. That would mean an average of $225,000-$250,000 per school annually."

Yikes. That's about what we're getting per team.

They're very, very wrong.

In the A10 VCU gets to keep 75% of their NCAA credits. The AAC isn't going for that, nor would the football schools share their money equally with non-football schools. This is not happening.

(03-04-2017 09:35 AM)monarx Wrote:  The bigger question is how in the heck did we wind up in the 24th ranked conference? This is the worst we've ever been in and it's not even close. Let me know when there's a rumor about us to the AAC and I'll be happy.

We're in the #24th league because we're doing nothing to raise it to #23. There is no reason that programs with the history of ODU, WKU, UAB, and UTEP should be in a basketball league that sits at #24. It's our own fault.

I saw someone's post calling GWU a dumpster fire. Objectively. if ODU wants to be seen by the AAC (or any other league) as some on this board sees ourselves, we've got to win here in CUSA. That's just real talk.

(03-06-2017 02:15 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:35 AM)monarx Wrote:  The bigger question is how in the heck did we wind up in the 24th ranked conference? This is the worst we've ever been in and it's not even close. Let me know when there's a rumor about us to the AAC and I'll be happy.

We're in the #24th league because we're doing nothing to raise it to #23. There is no reason that programs with the history of ODU, WKU, UAB, and UTEP should be in a basketball league that sits at #24. It's our own fault.

I saw someone's post calling GWU a dumpster fire. Objectively. if ODU wants to be seen by the AAC (or any other league) as some on this board sees ourselves, we've got to win here in CUSA. That's just real talk.

The biggest problem is that so many of our top teams stink it up in OOC play. By the time January rolls around, conference RPI is pretty much fixed.

Both ODU and UTEP are examples this year, especially UTEP. They are playing as well as a Top 100 team right now, but they made their bed months ago. ODU is slightly better, but our OOC season sucked as well.

ODU in 2014 and MTSU this year showed what's possible. We need all of our top programs to get it together next November, not February.

(03-06-2017 02:15 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:35 AM)monarx Wrote:  The bigger question is how in the heck did we wind up in the 24th ranked conference? This is the worst we've ever been in and it's not even close. Let me know when there's a rumor about us to the AAC and I'll be happy.

We're in the #24th league because we're doing nothing to raise it to #23. There is no reason that programs with the history of ODU, WKU, UAB, and UTEP should be in a basketball league that sits at #24. It's our own fault.

I saw someone's post calling GWU a dumpster fire. Objectively. if ODU wants to be seen by the AAC (or any other league) as some on this board sees ourselves, we've got to win here in CUSA. That's just real talk.

That was me, and I should clarify that a bit by saying dumpster fire by a) GW standards and b) A-10 standards. If for some unknowable reason they landed in CUSA, they'd be immediately competitive. But that in and of itself doesn't mean that much these days.

As for getting the conference better, I think as the RPI loses favor with the NCAA selection committee, and eventually the fans and casual followers, the idea of judging a conference's quality by a statistical metric will (hopefully) fade as well. Because too many people conflate "24th-highest conference RPI" with "crummy conference that any team with a pulse should waltz through." But even this season, arguably the worst in CUSA history, the team that emerges from Birmingham with the NCAA bid will have to beat at least two decent teams in the process. And in most seasons, the top strata will be better.

Forget the lower half of the conference. Bottom feeders gonna bottom feed. But if the top half improve, and you cut the conference tournament to eight, or four teams*, it'll help allow the good teams to define CUSA, instead of the bad ones.

* — my idea has been to take the top four or five teams and, instead of playing a traditional conference tournament, have them do a round robin where everyone gets three to four games. That gives everyone some quality games at the end of the season, which helps get the champion a better NCAA seed, the second-place team a better shot at a NCAA bid or higher NIT spot, and the other teams a chance at the NIT instead of the CBI/CIT/Vegas ??. But it's not without its flaws: the potential for anticlimatic final-day games and, worse, the possibility that the champion is decided by a tiebreaker, unless you build in a title game between the top two teams at the end of the round robin. Plus it's a pretty radical departure from the traditional conference postseason, so I can't imagine it happening anytime soon.