I like adding all three. We will always have at least 5 talked about BB teams at a minimum.

.

I'm all for it. I'm all for just about any expansion that involves some of the following teams:

BYU
Boise State
San Diego State
Colorado State
New Mexico
UNLV
Fresno State

Air Force
Army

Gonzaga
St. Louis
Wichita State
Dayton
VCU

I'm not saying we should or could add ALL of the above schools, but I'm saying I am open to the discussion. Any school that has shown a track record of drawing 10,000+ in basketball and/or 30,000+ in football with a strong market and recent success should be considered. Let's turn this league into a monster that is constantly a player in the national story line. To expansion, I say bring it on.

Add 3 hoops teams.

Wichita State fan here.

We have to get out of the crap MVC. Our schedule annually includes about 16 NCAA elimination games, also known as the MVC conference schedule.

I think we've got Gregg Marshall until he retires. He's among the top-10 paid coaches in the nation. Our Athletic Department budget is on a solid base. Actually been running some surpluses in recent years. Support is at awesome levels. To get on a waiting list for season tickets requires a $1,500 donation to the scholarship fund if you want any hope of getting a ticket.

Marshall is a previous National Coach of the Year. WSU just had 2 undrafted free agents stick with NBA teams. One was a borderline top-100 recruit. The other wasn't even listed by the recruiting services as existing. 2 NBA PG's in the same class. Marshall's recruiting is likely to go up in a better conference.

Wichita State has become a national brand. WSU fans aren't fond of Creighton. We have compared the TV audiences for WSU and Creighton since Creighton left for the NBE. We outdraw them by a large margin.

I think this year will be year 4 or 5 of being ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season. That includes some time in the top 5 and a 1 seed in the NCAA tourney.

WSU is looking at possibly having another 30-win season. That's after losing the entire back court, which is now playing in the NBA. Everybody but Shocker fans thought this would be a complete rebuild and the Shox would fall into the abyss. Shocker fans thought it would be just another reload for MArshall.

Bring in Villanova and BYU for All Sports and Georgetown for BB and their Olympic Sports. Kills the BE, increases TV value, increases the potential for more NCAAA tournament bids, and definitely makes the AAC a tweener P6 Conference leaving the MWC in the dust.

AAC FB East: Nova, Temple, UConn, UCF, USF, Cinn, ECU.
AAC FB West: BYU, Navy, SMU, Houston, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa.

AAC BB East: Nova, Georgetown, Temple, UCF, USF, ECU, UConn.
AAC BB West: BYU, Cinn, SMU, Houston, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa.

(03-02-2017 01:05 AM)Aargh Wrote:  Wichita State fan here.

We have to get out of the crap MVC. Our schedule annually includes about 16 NCAA elimination games, also known as the MVC conference schedule.

I think we've got Gregg Marshall until he retires. He's among the top-10 paid coaches in the nation. Our Athletic Department budget is on a solid base. Actually been running some surpluses in recent years. Support is at awesome levels. To get on a waiting list for season tickets requires a $1,500 donation to the scholarship fund if you want any hope of getting a ticket.

Marshall is a previous National Coach of the Year. WSU just had 2 undrafted free agents stick with NBA teams. One was a borderline top-100 recruit. The other wasn't even listed by the recruiting services as existing. 2 NBA PG's in the same class. Marshall's recruiting is likely to go up in a better conference.

Wichita State has become a national brand. WSU fans aren't fond of Creighton. We have compared the TV audiences for WSU and Creighton since Creighton left for the NBE. We outdraw them by a large margin.

I think this year will be year 4 or 5 of being ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season. That includes some time in the top 5 and a 1 seed in the NCAA tourney.

WSU is looking at possibly having another 30-win season. That's after losing the entire back court, which is now playing in the NBA. Everybody but Shocker fans thought this would be a complete rebuild and the Shox would fall into the abyss. Shocker fans thought it would be just another reload for MArshall.

You don't have to sell us...most of us want you guys in the AAC, like, right now.

I'm good with adding three for hoops (VCU, Wichita St., and Dayton). I'm not sure these basketball schools add value for tv money though. They add NCAA caliber teams (credits) and they add national names, so they are still good adds.

If you are talking about adding value for TV contract purposes then you have to look at football and specifically:
BYU
Army
And if you really want to get crazy, Boise + AF too

LOVE having all three service academies, it adds real value and BYU would be our biggest national brand name in football. Boise is another value add with national rep.

At least these football adds would add value to a tv deal in addition to reputation/prestige.

The other benefit is, as a fan, if we had BYU, Army, Boise, or AF at home, I could get excited for these games and I probably speak for most of you. So they also help attendance across the board.

(03-02-2017 07:46 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I'm good with adding three for hoops (VCU, Wichita St., and Dayton). I'm not sure these basketball schools add value for tv money though. They add NCAA caliber teams (credits) and they add national names, so they are still good adds.

If you are talking about adding value for TV contract purposes then you have to look at football and specifically:
BYU
Army
And if you really want to get crazy, Boise + AF too

LOVE having all three service academies, it adds real value and BYU would be our biggest national brand name in football. Boise is another value add with national rep.

At least these football adds would add value to a tv deal in addition to reputation/prestige.

The other benefit is, as a fan, if we had BYU, Army, Boise, or AF at home, I could get excited for these games and I probably speak for most of you. So they also help attendance across the board.

byu all sports bsu, af, army for football only; add Gonzaga, St Mary's, vcu and wsu for bball

(03-01-2017 10:47 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 04:27 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Wichita State? OK.
VCU? OK.

Dayton... Uhhhhhh...

Look. I like Dayton (as a school). I just don't think they "fit" this conference. WSU and VCU "fit" the AAC. They are large, public/state Universities.

Dayton really is a fit for the Big East. That's not a knock on them and if we were to invite them, then so be it. But they wouldn't be my first choice.

Dayton's coach may be leaving soon to coach his alma mater.

He is waiting for Ohio State to open up. Might be this year or next.

Even if Miller departs, Dayton has been a consistently good basketball program since the 60s. They have a NCAA Runner up, three elite eights and 7 Sweet Sixteens. They have a ravenous fan base who pack their arena every night regardless of opponent and they travel extremely well. In the city of Dayton the Flyers are king. If/when Archie leaves a lot of good coaches will want the job.

(03-02-2017 07:46 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I'm good with adding three for hoops (VCU, Wichita St., and Dayton). I'm not sure these basketball schools add value for tv money though. They add NCAA caliber teams (credits) and they add national names, so they are still good adds.

If you are talking about adding value for TV contract purposes then you have to look at football and specifically:
BYU
Army
And if you really want to get crazy, Boise + AF too

LOVE having all three service academies, it adds real value and BYU would be our biggest national brand name in football. Boise is another value add with national rep.

At least these football adds would add value to a tv deal in addition to reputation/prestige.

The other benefit is, as a fan, if we had BYU, Army, Boise, or AF at home, I could get excited for these games and I probably speak for most of you. So they also help attendance across the board.

Unfortunately, it looks like BYU is in the works to extend their contract with ESPN.

I'd love to see AF and Army added... so that we'd have all the service academies as fb only, matched with Olympic sports adds in WSU, VCU, and Dayton.

A western wing is a nice thought in theory, but I think in practice it is just too much for our member programs. Adding the previously mentioned programs fit with the culture, identity, and footprint of the currently existing teams.

I've been banging this drum for a while. Add all 3 asap.

Add Berea College for woodworking, Evansville for chess, and Pepperdine for conservative politics.

No additions for basketball only. That'll just dilute the perception that the AAC is a weak football brand and damage future network contract negotiations. Doesn't anyone remember what happened to the old Big East? Honestly, it wasn't that long ago.

This would be a great hoops league and add travel partners for teams that are kind of on an "island" right now.
VCU / ECU ~160 miles
WSU / Tulsa ~180 miles
UD / Cincy ~55 miles

(03-02-2017 09:25 AM)colohank Wrote:  Add Berea College for woodworking, Evansville for chess, and Pepperdine for conservative politics.

No additions for basketball only. That'll just dilute the perception that the AAC is a weak football brand and damage future network contract negotiations. Doesn't anyone remember what happened to the old Big East? Honestly, it wasn't that long ago.

They wouldn't be basketball only, dummy. They'd help a lot with the other sports' travel. The Old Big East was split right down the middle between the football schools and non-football schools. The AAC football schools would have a supermajority here.

(03-02-2017 09:25 AM)colohank Wrote:  Add Berea College for woodworking, Evansville for chess, and Pepperdine for conservative politics.

No additions for basketball only. That'll just dilute the perception that the AAC is a weak football brand and damage future network contract negotiations. Doesn't anyone remember what happened to the old Big East? Honestly, it wasn't that long ago.

No idea why you think that. The only schools that can dilute our football brand are the schools that actually play football in the AAC. It's like saying Navy basketball is currently weakening the perception of AAC Basketball----I see no evidence of that.

I would agree that there should be absolutely no side arrangement to add move up or start up newbie football programs for these non-football additions to our league as that WOULD adversely affect the performance and perception of AAC football.

I think an addition or additions will happen and I'm all for it.

(03-02-2017 09:35 AM)lollaperuna Wrote:  I think an addition or additions will happen and I'm all for it.

I agree.

I like how the additions mentioned would fit seamlessly into the footprint.

I feel that having a VCU program relatively nearby would aid the growth of ECU basketball.

I also feel like Wichita State would give added juice to the Tulsa program.

And having another Ohio team, Dayton, would ramp up competition there.

The brand would benefit in so many ways (recruiting, exposure, compelling matchups)

Just playing devil's advocate , I'm all for it .

But would there be a chance Dayton and VCU say no thank you to the AAC if invited? Might they wait out for a Big East invite. They would be on the short list if the NBE decides to move off their 10 team number.

(03-02-2017 09:53 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Just playing devil's advocate , I'm all for it .

But would there be a chance Dayton and VCU say no thank you to the AAC if invited? Might they wait out for a Big East invite. They would be on the short list if the NBE decides to move off their 10 team number.

If you invite both Dayton and VCU you put them both in a prisoner's dilemma. They are both in the A10 and the top 2 programs in there. They'd both be scared to get left behind so I think you'd get both. I don't think VCU is a candidate for the Big East since they're a public school. Dayton would probably get blocked by Xavier, which I think is stupid btw.

(03-02-2017 09:53 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Just playing devil's advocate , I'm all for it .

But would there be a chance Dayton and VCU say no thank you to the AAC if invited? Might they wait out for a Big East invite. They would be on the short list if the NBE decides to move off their 10 team number.

We could stop at Wichita State and I'd be fine with that.

The AAC is developing nicely as it is with the new coaches building their programs.

With the marquee value teams in the AAC at that point, if VCU or Dayton would rather speculate on other leagues inviting them, then so be it. If they join and the NBE comes calling later, they would have to weigh the worth of paying an exit fee versus the value they'd get.