(02-27-2017 05:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 03:20 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 03:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Let the big boys talk UofM

And why are you speaking then? After having your argument thoroughly rebuffed, you continue to babble on to no end. He has as much right to comment as anyone.

I would argue no con has come close to rebuffing my argument. Anyone who complains about trivial amounts of voter fraud because a one vote difference is a fundamental problem while scoffing at the popular voter total is completely hypocritical

Just because you refuse to see the very obvious and plainly stated answer to your questions doesn't make you correct.

Poor John is over his head on yet another subject.

First case......The New York Yankees score 5 more runs in the World Series than the Mets......but they still lose the World Series by a game. Nobody complains because the World Series is a SERIES OF GAMES....NOT A HOME RUN DERBY. The point is to WIN THE MOST GAMES in the World Series. Everyone KNOWS THIS WHEN THEY START THE WORLD SERIES. Because of this they ALL KNOW....that it would be STUPID to complain about New York getting more runs despite winning fewer games. The Electoral College works the exact same way...because we are a FEDERAL REPUBLIC and not a direct democracy. Just like the baseball example...it is STUPID not to know this.

Second case......voting is important as is the integrity of the voting process. If the integrity of the voting process is called into question...and if people come to believe that their vote is being negated....then they lose faith in the voting process and you no longer have a legitimate Republic that is seen as representative of its people.

I hope this clears it up.

(02-27-2017 07:32 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Poor John is over his head on yet another subject.

I hope you're not surprised. He's predictable.

(02-27-2017 07:26 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 05:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 03:20 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 03:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Let the big boys talk UofM

And why are you speaking then? After having your argument thoroughly rebuffed, you continue to babble on to no end. He has as much right to comment as anyone.

I would argue no con has come close to rebuffing my argument. Anyone who complains about trivial amounts of voter fraud because a one vote difference is a fundamental problem while scoffing at the popular voter total is completely hypocritical

Just because you refuse to see the very obvious and plainly stated answer to your questions doesn't make you correct.

Or perhaps it is the cons here refusing to see their hypocrisy

Did trump complain about voter fraud because of downballot results? No he complained over his lack of a PV victory.

The cons here are simply in a denial of reality

(02-28-2017 09:28 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 07:26 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 05:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 03:20 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 03:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Let the big boys talk UofM

And why are you speaking then? After having your argument thoroughly rebuffed, you continue to babble on to no end. He has as much right to comment as anyone.

I would argue no con has come close to rebuffing my argument. Anyone who complains about trivial amounts of voter fraud because a one vote difference is a fundamental problem while scoffing at the popular voter total is completely hypocritical

Just because you refuse to see the very obvious and plainly stated answer to your questions doesn't make you correct.

Or perhaps it is the cons here refusing to see their hypocrisy

Did trump complain about voter fraud because of downballot results? No he complained over his lack of a PV victory.

The cons here are simply in a denial of reality

That wasn't your original question so it really has no bearing. Trump has complained about a lot of **** he shouldn't have. He won. End of story. No need to argue about margin of victory either in the EC or popular vote. What I think he attempted to do, and did so rather poorly, was to dismiss a lot of the bitching and moaning from lefties that either don't understand the purpose of the EC or had a newfound dislike for it once Trump won the election despite not winning the popular vote. Was there probably a fairly sizable number of ballots cast fraudulently? More than likely I would think, but almost certainly not enough to have given him the popular vote lead.

It doesn't matter the margin in the popular vote one way or another since popular vote isn't the mechanism used to elect the President. All efforts should be made to make sure that every one of those votes cast are done so legally since down ballot races on state and local levels are decided by popular vote and a straight ticket option is available in many states.

Your lack of ability to discern the difference in your two original statements is nobody's fault but your own.

(02-27-2017 05:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I would argue no con has come close to rebuffing my argument. Anyone who complains about trivial amounts of voter fraud because a one vote difference is a fundamental problem while scoffing at the popular voter total is completely hypocritical

Are you SERIOUS?

Anyone who doesn't understand the flaws in your argument is a complete moron and the world is a worse place because they're in it.

(02-28-2017 09:28 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Or perhaps it is the cons here refusing to see their hypocrisy

How can you be a hypocrite when one election is won by the popular vote, and the other is not. Please explain that.

Quote:Did trump complain about voter fraud because of downballot results? No he complained over his lack of a PV victory.

He complained because he has a massive ego which needed stroking. Not because it mattered in the lest. Pretty much every conservative here said it was stupid at the time.

Quote:The cons here are simply in a denial of reality

John, when you concoct your own little alternate reality, please do it without the expectation we will be there.

In the real world... NPV means nothing for president, nothing at all.

Quote:Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted announced an investigation has uncovered that hundreds of non-US citizens are registered to vote in the state, and dozens of them voted illegally.

According to a release from Husted, 385 people who are not citizens of the United States are registered to vote in Ohio. Out of those, 82 voted in at least one election in the last year.

“I have a responsibility to preserve the integrity of Ohio’s elections system,” Secretary Husted said. “When you consider that in Ohio we have had 112 elections decided by one vote or tied in the last three years, every case of illegal voting must be taken seriously and elections officials must have every resource available to them to respond accordingly.”

http://nbc4i.com/2017/02/27/ohio-secreta...l-ballots/