So much wrong in that exchange I'm at a loss.

(02-13-2017 10:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  It is impossible to be -21 in +/- in three minutes unless your team is outscored by 21 points in those three minutes.

Yeah, it was a bad run - no doubt. But there's no way it was a -21 run in those 3 minutes.

(02-13-2017 11:01 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 10:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  It is impossible to be -21 in +/- in three minutes unless your team is outscored by 21 points in those three minutes.

Yeah, it was a bad run - no doubt. But there's no way it was a -21 run in those 3 minutes.

-3 seems to be the real number.

23-16 when he entered the game at 10:32. He left at the 8 minute mark w/ Memphis up 25-21. That would be (-3).

The "stat guy" for Memphis forgot to sub him out at the 8 minute mark and Memphis ended up (-14) at the half. So if he came in a +7 and (errantly) kept until the end of the half, that would have been a (-21) +/-.

(02-13-2017 01:59 AM)passat25 Wrote:  Tigers don't have an effing bench... You win some, you lose some.

This is the only post that has any relevance.

(02-13-2017 11:06 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:01 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 10:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  It is impossible to be -21 in +/- in three minutes unless your team is outscored by 21 points in those three minutes.

Yeah, it was a bad run - no doubt. But there's no way it was a -21 run in those 3 minutes.

-5 seems to be the real number.

Our beat writer doesn't seem to understand the stat. The Tigers were -21 for the remainder of the half after Kessee first checked in. But CK was only out there for 3 minutes of the 10 minute debacle.

CK shouldn't be replying to him on twitter. But the grown-up writer should put out factual stats.

(02-13-2017 11:08 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 01:59 AM)passat25 Wrote:  Tigers don't have an effing bench... You win some, you lose some.

This is the only post that has any relevance.

But, Dedric = MJ

(02-13-2017 11:08 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 01:59 AM)passat25 Wrote:  Tigers don't have an effing bench... You win some, you lose some.

This is the only post that has any relevance.

...and SMU?

fine him a week's wages and move on.

(02-13-2017 11:18 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:08 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 01:59 AM)passat25 Wrote:  Tigers don't have an effing bench... You win some, you lose some.

This is the only post that has any relevance.

...and SMU?

What about SMU? They're a good team, more experienced, better size etc.
Split hairs and argue all you want, or all anybody wants actually, we are a team starting 1 freshman, 2 sophomores and 2 juniors with only Crawford and Dedric having any experience at this level. The bench is made up of a freshman and a sophomore who hardly played last year. We are limited to say the least in terms of size as well.
Blame whoever you want for that.
This team is better than expected, IMO, and most figured we'd win some games we weren't supposed to and we'd lose some games we shouldn't. It's just how it is. We've got what appears to be a solid recruiting class started for next year and I'd expect that to continue.
We'd all like to win every game but this team, as we all knew, wouldn't do that. Reality says we are a good team that's inexperienced and lacking size and depth. With that in mind, we are still better than most should have realistically expected.
Everyone should relax.

(02-13-2017 11:36 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:18 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:08 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 01:59 AM)passat25 Wrote:  Tigers don't have an effing bench... You win some, you lose some.

This is the only post that has any relevance.

...and SMU?

What about SMU? They're a good team, more experienced, better size etc.
Split hairs and argue all you want, or all anybody wants actually, we are a team starting 1 freshman, 2 sophomores and 2 juniors with only Crawford and Dedric having any experience at this level. The bench is made up of a freshman and a sophomore who hardly played last year. We are limited to say the least in terms of size as well.
Blame whoever you want for that.
This team is better than expected, IMO, and most figured we'd win some games we weren't supposed to and we'd lose some games we shouldn't. It's just how it is. We've got what appears to be a solid recruiting class started for next year and I'd expect that to continue.
We'd all like to win every game but this team, as we all knew, wouldn't do that. Reality says we are a good team that's inexperienced and lacking size and depth. With that in mind, we are still better than most should have realistically expected.
Everyone should relax.

These guys have to get their shots in, low hanging fruit and all.

(02-13-2017 11:36 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:18 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:08 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 01:59 AM)passat25 Wrote:  Tigers don't have an effing bench... You win some, you lose some.

This is the only post that has any relevance.

...and SMU?

What about SMU? They're a good team, more experienced, better size etc.
Split hairs and argue all you want, or all anybody wants actually, we are a team starting 1 freshman, 2 sophomores and 2 juniors with only Crawford and Dedric having any experience at this level. The bench is made up of a freshman and a sophomore who hardly played last year. We are limited to say the least in terms of size as well.
Blame whoever you want for that.
This team is better than expected, IMO, and most figured we'd win some games we weren't supposed to and we'd lose some games we shouldn't. It's just how it is. We've got what appears to be a solid recruiting class started for next year and I'd expect that to continue.
We'd all like to win every game but this team, as we all knew, wouldn't do that. Reality says we are a good team that's inexperienced and lacking size and depth. With that in mind, we are still better than most should have realistically expected.
Everyone should relax.

Good points.

I'm surprised some folks keep bringing up an experienced team in SMU with size to boot.

I just don't understand what people realistically expected.

(02-13-2017 11:43 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:36 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:18 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:08 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 01:59 AM)passat25 Wrote:  Tigers don't have an effing bench... You win some, you lose some.

This is the only post that has any relevance.

...and SMU?

What about SMU? They're a good team, more experienced, better size etc.
Split hairs and argue all you want, or all anybody wants actually, we are a team starting 1 freshman, 2 sophomores and 2 juniors with only Crawford and Dedric having any experience at this level. The bench is made up of a freshman and a sophomore who hardly played last year. We are limited to say the least in terms of size as well.
Blame whoever you want for that.
This team is better than expected, IMO, and most figured we'd win some games we weren't supposed to and we'd lose some games we shouldn't. It's just how it is. We've got what appears to be a solid recruiting class started for next year and I'd expect that to continue.
We'd all like to win every game but this team, as we all knew, wouldn't do that. Reality says we are a good team that's inexperienced and lacking size and depth. With that in mind, we are still better than most should have realistically expected.
Everyone should relax.

These guys have to get their shots in, low hanging fruit and all.

Maybe you guys need ritalin. You crazy mofo's are all over the place talking about stuff that isn't mentioned.

450 made a direct statement about not having "an effing bench."

Now, I take that to me that the overall w/l production of this team is reduced by not having "an effing bench."

And I would be ok with that if some of our peer conference mates weren't doing very well without benches. And then also that we're whining about lack of depth when the HC didn't do more to get some depth.

Just imagine if the staff actually did a little work and got a couple of able bodied guys to contribute?

If the complaint that the bench is the only thing keeping Memphis from being, say 21-5 instead of 18-8, why wouldn't fans be pissed that the incoming staff didn't do more to be ready for THIS season?

Or are we still toeing the line that this is a miraculous job of coaching?

(02-13-2017 11:55 AM)450bench Wrote:  I just don't understand what people realistically expected.

Beating Monmouth? A crappy Tulsa team? OM isn't some juggernaut. Temple at home? The Tigers were favored in three of those games.

Some people want to look at the record in a vacuum and say, hell 18-8 is incredible. What are you expecting.

Well, if you take a look a tad bit deeper and just look at each of the games and say, should Memphis win or lose, it is pretty damn easy to find 18 wins thus far. Actually, you can find 20 without much argument. So the idea that this is some miracle worker thing is beyond me.

(02-13-2017 11:57 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:43 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:36 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:18 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:08 AM)450bench Wrote:  This is the only post that has any relevance.

...and SMU?

What about SMU? They're a good team, more experienced, better size etc.
Split hairs and argue all you want, or all anybody wants actually, we are a team starting 1 freshman, 2 sophomores and 2 juniors with only Crawford and Dedric having any experience at this level. The bench is made up of a freshman and a sophomore who hardly played last year. We are limited to say the least in terms of size as well.
Blame whoever you want for that.
This team is better than expected, IMO, and most figured we'd win some games we weren't supposed to and we'd lose some games we shouldn't. It's just how it is. We've got what appears to be a solid recruiting class started for next year and I'd expect that to continue.
We'd all like to win every game but this team, as we all knew, wouldn't do that. Reality says we are a good team that's inexperienced and lacking size and depth. With that in mind, we are still better than most should have realistically expected.
Everyone should relax.

These guys have to get their shots in, low hanging fruit and all.

Maybe you guys need ritalin. You crazy mofo's are all over the place talking about stuff that isn't mentioned.

450 made a direct statement about not having "an effing bench."

Now, I take that to me that the overall w/l production of this team is reduced by not having "an effing bench."

And I would be ok with that if some of our peer conference mates weren't doing very well without benches. And then also that we're whining about lack of depth when the HC didn't do more to get some depth.

Just imagine if the staff actually did a little work and got a couple of able bodied guys to contribute?

If the complaint that the bench is the only thing keeping Memphis from being, say 21-5 instead of 18-8, why wouldn't fans be pissed that the incoming staff didn't do more to be ready for THIS season?

Or are we still towing the line that this is a miraculous job of coaching?

Minor point...I think it's toeing the line.

Saluki, do you know the circumstances that led to few recruits joining this year's team? Do you know who was actually offered and why they chose to not come here? Do you even know the number of guys who were offered?
Nothing personal, but I'd say you don't know any of that info with any certainty. Most of us don't.
Instead of biiiiitching about that after every loss, how about dealing with what we have and what's going on with the team. There are tons of positives and even more going forward to next year.

Or don't. It's up to you.

(02-13-2017 11:57 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Or are we still towing the line that this is a miraculous job of coaching?

Hard to say that with a straight face.

Lost twice to a 14-12 team.

Lost to 15-11 Providence.

Lost to 15-10 Ole Miss.

RPI and SOS outside the top 100.

18-8 record is a lot of smoke and mirrors at this point.

They've done some good things.

But a miracle? Pffffttttttt.

(02-13-2017 12:06 PM)450bench Wrote:  Saluki, do you know the circumstances that led to few recruits joining this year's team? Do you know who was actually offered and why they chose to not come here? Do you even know the number of guys who were offered?
Nothing personal, but I'd say you don't know any of that info with any certainty. Most of us don't.
Instead of biiiiitching about that after every loss, how about dealing with what we have and what's going on with the team. There are tons of positives and even more going forward to next year.

Nobody knows, but you can't deny Tubby being on vacation and playing golf is certainly great fodder for Saloogi and Hoop.

(02-13-2017 12:08 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 12:06 PM)450bench Wrote:  Saluki, do you know the circumstances that led to few recruits joining this year's team? Do you know who was actually offered and why they chose to not come here? Do you even know the number of guys who were offered?
Nothing personal, but I'd say you don't know any of that info with any certainty. Most of us don't.
Instead of biiiiitching about that after every loss, how about dealing with what we have and what's going on with the team. There are tons of positives and even more going forward to next year.

Nobody knows, but you can't deny Tubby being on vacation and playing golf is certainly great fodder for Saloogi and Hoop.

Even if not fodder, it wasn't a great look.

(02-13-2017 12:06 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:57 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Or are we still towing the line that this is a miraculous job of coaching?

Hard to say that with a straight face.

Lost twice to a 14-12 team.

Lost to 15-11 Providence.

Lost to 15-10 Ole Miss.

RPI and SOS outside the top 100.

18-8 record is a lot of smoke and mirrors at this point.

They've done some good things.

But a miracle? Pffffttttttt.

Let's be honest here....I don't recall anybody saying that it has been a miracle job. The only time I recall miracle being mentioned is when you said it will take a miracle for us to make the tourney.