(02-09-2017 10:17 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 10:14 PM)shampoo Wrote:  That pass off the backboard, lol.

Winfred King was *not* in the building - I don't think.

Whatever happened to Winfred King and does anybody have any video of when he played?

(02-09-2017 10:27 PM)squeak Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 10:17 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 10:14 PM)shampoo Wrote:  That pass off the backboard, lol.

Winfred King was *not* in the building - I don't think.

Whatever happened to Winfred King and does anybody have any video of when he played?

My unstated point (which I guess was lost on the younger posters) was that if by some chance a Winfred-like gonzo flush followed, by the recipient of the pass, then that play would be being re-told for years, or decades, like Winfred's is.
Point being, high-risk plays sometimes pay off handsomely, but when they don't........you look foolish - or sloppy, depending on the observer. That type of play is a tiny inkling of why I love Long's passing game. Nobody else on the team (with the possible exception of Williams) would have had the imagination or originality to have tried that. That's the way I played, and sometimes it worked - and sometimes it didn't. But a player needs to have the wisdom to know when to try such things and when not to. A lot of that is how Forbes has guided him. He *hated* that play, and let him know; but he also put him back in. If that had been a 2-pt. game against Furman.......he would have been jerked and not gotten back in the game at all. (But I also doubt Long would have tried that in such a tight situation.) Ya gotta pick your spots, and ya gotta win (a lot) more than ya lose......or it doesn't come off well, as we clearly saw tonight.

(02-09-2017 09:02 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 08:59 PM)Bucster Wrote:  Chatt just lost/choked, likely making Furman regular season champs.

Still 4 games to go. Way too early to call it. ETSU can not lose again, and has to hope Furman loses somewhere else.

You can't tell me Furman doesn't lose to either UNCG, Wofford, or Samford (or us) before it's all over. No way.

What is going on with Chattanooga? In a close loss to Furman they played Casey Jones 11 minutes (average of 26) and Makinde London not at all (average of 15 minutes).

Looks like foul trouble for Jones with 4 fouls in those 11 minutes. Is London hurt, or in the doghouse? The question is important because Chattanooga got all of 4 points from their bench in this loss. 2 points from Chatman and 2 points from Dixon. They had to play Tuoyo 39 minutes and McLean 37.

(02-09-2017 11:28 PM)Efan Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 09:02 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 08:59 PM)Bucster Wrote:  Chatt just lost/choked, likely making Furman regular season champs.

Still 4 games to go. Way too early to call it. ETSU can not lose again, and has to hope Furman loses somewhere else.

You can't tell me Furman doesn't lose to either UNCG, Wofford, or Samford (or us) before it's all over. No way.

I think we can beat them but not sure about the other teams. I just don't see Wofford or UNCG winning at Furman. Samford might, because they seems to play better on the road for whatever reason. I hope they do slip up for our sake but right now they are the most consistent team in the league, and unbeaten in conference games at home.

Everyone still has a lot of basketball left to play but what happens if we end up tied with Furman with wins against each other?

Conference tiebreakers, overall record, overall offense?

(02-10-2017 12:26 AM)Bucster Wrote:  I just don't see Wofford or UNCG winning at Furman. Samford might, because they seems to play better on the road for whatever reason. I hope they do slip up for our sake but right now they are the most consistent team in the league, and unbeaten in conference games at home.

As Matt McCall pointed out, it's been over 2 years since Furman lost a conference game at home. They were 9-0 last year.

(02-09-2017 10:27 PM)squeak Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 10:17 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 10:14 PM)shampoo Wrote:  That pass off the backboard, lol.

Winfred King was *not* in the building - I don't think.

Whatever happened to Winfred King and does anybody have any video of when he played?

No really, does anybody know what happened to him?

(02-10-2017 04:54 AM)etsuBucsFan1988 Wrote:  Everyone still has a lot of basketball left to play but what happens if we end up tied with Furman with wins against each other?

If we win out and Furman only loses to us. I think the tiebreaker will come down to head to head against 3rd place team. So if that's Chattanooga then we get 1st place but if it's UNCG then it goes to Furman. I think that's how the tiebreakers work. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

(02-10-2017 07:29 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 12:26 AM)Bucster Wrote:  I just don't see Wofford or UNCG winning at Furman. Samford might, because they seems to play better on the road for whatever reason. I hope they do slip up for our sake but right now they are the most consistent team in the league, and unbeaten in conference games at home.

As Matt McCall pointed out, it's been over 2 years since Furman lost a conference game at home. They were 9-0 last year.

Furman is proving why winning at home is so important. Had we not let RJ White hit 5 3's in Freedom Hall we would still be tied with Furman.

(02-10-2017 08:56 AM)squeak Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 10:27 PM)squeak Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 10:17 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 10:14 PM)shampoo Wrote:  That pass off the backboard, lol.

Winfred King was *not* in the building - I don't think.

Whatever happened to Winfred King and does anybody have any video of when he played?

No really, does anybody know what happened to him?

He got drafted by Boston. Troy Lee picked a fight with Van Williams (Former Buc and NFL fullback) at the EI. King stepped in for his friend and got a messed up shoulder out of the deal and never recovered from the damage. Played overseas for a few years.

Listened to the last of half of Forbes interview on the Monster.
takeaways. He was not happy at all at the half with all the turnovers,
mentioned Long by name with turnovers. Really didn't like the attempted
pass off the backboard.
Thought Williams played well, said he had practiced well so that is why he played.
They talked briefly about the charge block rule, Bobby brought up the Indiana/Purdie
game last night, the two refs disagreed on the call so the charged both a block and a
charge on the same play and it fouled both guys out.
Forbes did say he didn't agree with some of the calls in the Wofford game.

(02-10-2017 10:24 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  Listened to the last of half of Forbes interview on the Monster.
takeaways. He was not happy at all at the half with all the turnovers,
mentioned Long by name with turnovers. Really didn't like the attempted
pass off the backboard.
Thought Williams played well, said he had practiced well so that is why he played.
They talked briefly about the charge block rule, Bobby brought up the Indiana/Purdie
game last night, the two refs disagreed on the call so the charged both a block and a
charge on the same play and it fouled both guys out.
Forbes did say he didn't agree with some of the calls in the Wofford game.

Sounds about right to me. Clearly, teams are now playing us for the charge. While, I don't agree with all of the charge calls the past two games, it is still something that needs to be addressed.

(02-10-2017 10:46 AM)Running_Fool15 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 10:24 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  Listened to the last of half of Forbes interview on the Monster.
takeaways. He was not happy at all at the half with all the turnovers,
mentioned Long by name with turnovers. Really didn't like the attempted
pass off the backboard.
Thought Williams played well, said he had practiced well so that is why he played.
They talked briefly about the charge block rule, Bobby brought up the Indiana/Purdie
game last night, the two refs disagreed on the call so the charged both a block and a
charge on the same play and it fouled both guys out.
Forbes did say he didn't agree with some of the calls in the Wofford game.

Sounds about right to me. Clearly, teams are now playing us for the charge. While, I don't agree with all of the charge calls the past two games, it is still something that needs to be addressed.

Short pull-up jumpers are a great solution.

(02-10-2017 11:26 AM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 10:46 AM)Running_Fool15 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 10:24 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  Listened to the last of half of Forbes interview on the Monster.
takeaways. He was not happy at all at the half with all the turnovers,
mentioned Long by name with turnovers. Really didn't like the attempted
pass off the backboard.
Thought Williams played well, said he had practiced well so that is why he played.
They talked briefly about the charge block rule, Bobby brought up the Indiana/Purdie
game last night, the two refs disagreed on the call so the charged both a block and a
charge on the same play and it fouled both guys out.
Forbes did say he didn't agree with some of the calls in the Wofford game.

Sounds about right to me. Clearly, teams are now playing us for the charge. While, I don't agree with all of the charge calls the past two games, it is still something that needs to be addressed.

Short pull-up jumpers are a great solution.

Agreed. It's a lost art in basketball.

(02-10-2017 11:38 AM)Running_Fool15 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 11:26 AM)BucDoctor Wrote:  Short pull-up jumpers are a great solution.

Agreed. It's a lost art in basketball.

It's a lost art because lots of coaches have determined that your chances of scoring are better if you take it on hard to the hoop. If you take it on to the hoop you have a good chance of either getting a shot that is a higher percentage like a layup or getting fouled and shooting free throws.

Don't get me wrong I loved watching guys knock down pull up jumpers. Just made for a game with a better flow, but I think it is being taught to penetrate the defense at all costs. Stats tell coaches to have players either shoot 3's or layups.

(02-10-2017 12:12 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 11:38 AM)Running_Fool15 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 11:26 AM)BucDoctor Wrote:  Short pull-up jumpers are a great solution.

Agreed. It's a lost art in basketball.

It's a lost art because lots of coaches have determined that your chances of scoring are better if you take it on hard to the hoop. If you take it on to the hoop you have a good chance of either getting a shot that is a higher percentage like a layup or getting fouled and shooting free throws.

Don't get me wrong I loved watching guys knock down pull up jumpers. Just made for a game with a better flow, but I think it is being taught to penetrate the defense at all costs. Stats tell coaches to have players either shoot 3's or layups.

I think you're absolutely right. Coaches do seem to primarily teach 3's and layups/dunks. Not saying it's a bad strategy overall, but it does have limitations.

Hanner, Tevin, TJ and Desonta (I think) are most prone to the fouls. Tevin has the most distinctive habit of sticking his head down and barreling into the paint from the perimeter. Hanner gets called on a lot of back to the basket moves. TJ and Desonta go a little too hard to the rack sometimes. A high energy team like this just needs to learn to use the brakes.

(02-09-2017 09:31 PM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 09:28 PM)Bucster Wrote:  Well the Floppers flopped their way into a 3rd OT with Samford, by flopping during the inbounds pass with less than a second left. What a joke they are.

Even the Wofford announcers laughed at that one "He's done it his whole career." A patented hook move running into Cunningham, hooking his arm and drawing a foul.

Shameful.

Just for the record, that was Eric Garcia who inspired the announcers laughter by running right at Chris Cunningham, hooking his arm and throwing himself down and hollering to draw the foul with one second left. Otherwise the game ends there and Wofford loses.

Like they said on the air, he's done that his entire career. His shameless use of hooks, grabs, holds, trips and flops outweighs his undeniable talent for me. Not the first time that he's had that announcing crew cackling over his 'clever' play. As I've said before: "one of the more infuriating defenders in the league".

There ought to be a red card for that kind of stuff.