(02-09-2017 05:16 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Wow, the last two seasons Keno is 16 - 13 in conference and folks here want to throw a parade...

I don't consider 10 - 8 and 6 - 5 as a joyous event (unless it is the 'grass is greener' theory of human behavior and THEY are 10 - 8).

Last year, EMU lost a heart breaker to Akron in the quarter finals. CMU lost to BG that same day, March 10.

We shellacked CMU by over 20 points last month.

Quite frankly other than that one season (12 - 6) not much to talk about in Mt. P.

Again, Keno is about 10 games under water in MAC play during his career.

who cares about Keno when we're talking about whether Murphy is the right guy to be our coach going forward? would your opinion about Murphy change if Keno was undefeated this year? would your opinion about Murphy change if Keno lost every game this year and got arrested for drunk driving? if your answer to either of the last two questions is "yes" then please state your position. in my opinion, Keno's performance is irrelevant when discussing Murphy's past performance and capability of doing a good job going forward.

(02-09-2017 01:49 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 12:03 PM)Time2Fly Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 11:46 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 11:00 AM)HailEMU Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 11:04 AM)Block_E Wrote:  What in the hell is with Ray Lee?

CMU 1-10
Buff 1-6
WMU 1-1
AKR 2-5
Ball State 6-17
Miami 1-5
Kent 1-7
NIU 1-5
Toledo 1-8

He was a 20-point scorer until conference play started.

Rob Murphy is what is wrong with Ray... Rob has showed him zero confidence in the MAC season. Drops 24 on BSU and then plays next to none against Miami

Agree times 1000 !! Murphy has mismanaged his talent. He allows both Mangum and Lee to take I'll advised shots that is part of Murphy's system. I have seen countless times Mangum (and Lee) take 25 foot contested jump shots with 20+ seconds on shot clock. Even when Ray Lee has a nice game the very next game he sits on the bench because Murphy didn't like something that appears to have no rhyme or reason. Reminds me of the time watching Derek Thompson a very talented shooting guard we had that would put up big numbers and then sit on the bench for long period of time. I was told by a couple players that Thompson was one of the hardest working players in practice.... Sometimes there's no rhyme or reason to his strategy. Of course Murphy wants to win but he has been unable to figure it out.

Enough this week - let's beat Akron!!!

I said this about the team as a whole but I especially see it in Lee and Thompson. Their fire seems to be gone. Thompson isn't playing with the passion that we all love. Lee has lost his confidence. That Ray Lee, "I'm better than all of you and will beat anyone on the court 1-on-1" presence is just gone. And it's Murphy. Ray makes one mistake and he finds himself on the bench. He's playing scared. He hesitates. He can't get into a groove. I think the lack of consistent line up and the constant benching of premier players is killing this team. We've had 9 different starting line ups thus far. How can your team gel and play like a team if there's no consistency. For Thompson, you can just see the frustration wearing on his spirit. I like that he controls his emotion but he's to the point where he is playing without it. His fire is what makes him dominant.

Bottom line: Murphy has to establish a consistent starting five and rotation. He needs to stop pulling players for one mistake. He has to stop trying to scare and punish his players into playing well.

What's with this love affair for RLee?? -- The guy has been a tease his entire career. Waiting for him to go one-on-one is exactly the problem. I remember the opener at Pitt when he launched that ill-advised step-back 3-pointer coming out of a timeout.

No way that was the play called with, I think, about 10 seconds left on the shotclock. I said right then the season was doomed. He and the team would be better off if he did not play at all.

Yep, that was a terrible play by Lee - no doubt. However, in my 30 years watching MAC Basketball R Lee (and Mangum) are studs. Unfortunately street ball doesn't work against good D1 coaches. Murphy's offensive set includes too much dribbling and allows too much free lancing that I believe hurts this team. Everyone loves it when a player gets hot and hates it when he's cold. Bottom line is a structured offense playing to our strengths makes us consistent. Right now the lack of offensive structure makes us inconsistent.

Ray Lee was chosen as the second best player in the entire MAC I believe last preseason. Akron's coach is on record stating that he's only worried about Ray Lee when they play us. It is more than my opinion and it is shared by the MAC coaches. Ray Lee and Mangum are studs!!!! No one can play when you're looking over your shoulder waiting to be pulled. It's the coach and the system he implements that determines the overall success of a team.

Just ask Chris Creighton if he's happy that Neathery implemented a new defensive strategy. The system strategy is crucial for success!!

(02-09-2017 02:48 PM)EMUAARON Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 01:49 PM)cleveland Wrote:  What's with this love affair for RLee?? -- The guy has been a tease his entire career. Waiting for him to go one-on-one is exactly the problem. I remember the opener at Pitt when he launched that ill-advised step-back 3-pointer coming out of a timeout.

No way that was the play called with, I think, about 10 seconds left on the shotclock. I said right then the season was doomed. He and the team would be better off if he did not play at all.

look at his stats - http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/play...ee-1.html. he was one of the top offensive players in the MAC the last two years in terms of counting numbers and efficiency. look at his PER & TS%. look at his win shares. look at his offensive box plus minus. look at raw points scored. he has the ability to be an excellent offensive player in the mac. it's great that you remember one play, but he's shown that he can be an excellent player. it seems like a good idea to try to get that production out of him this year. that being said, none of us know if what's going on with him is his fault, murphy's fault, or something else. we're not there. but don't act like he's not capable of being good because that's factually incorrect.

To further your point, Ray Lee single handedly carried EMU through 2 overtimes in the Pitt game. Seems like selective memory to single out the bad play at the end by Lee. You are doing a good job of enforcing rational and relevant conversation on here, Aaron!

(02-09-2017 02:51 PM)EMUAARON Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 05:16 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Wow, the last two seasons Keno is 16 - 13 in conference and folks here want to throw a parade...

I don't consider 10 - 8 and 6 - 5 as a joyous event (unless it is the 'grass is greener' theory of human behavior and THEY are 10 - 8).

Last year, EMU lost a heart breaker to Akron in the quarter finals. CMU lost to BG that same day, March 10.

We shellacked CMU by over 20 points last month.

Quite frankly other than that one season (12 - 6) not much to talk about in Mt. P.

Again, Keno is about 10 games under water in MAC play during his career.

who cares about Keno when we're talking about whether Murphy is the right guy to be our coach going forward? would your opinion about Murphy change if Keno was undefeated this year? would your opinion about Murphy change if Keno lost every game this year and got arrested for drunk driving? if your answer to either of the last two questions is "yes" then please state your position. in my opinion, Keno's performance is irrelevant when discussing Murphy's past performance and capability of doing a good job going forward.

Great points Aaron!