(02-02-2017 05:22 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 12:14 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 09:09 AM)HighCountry Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 11:38 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 07:50 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  FIFY

This would be called a creek in Georgia.

I think we all know that there's only one creek in Georgia.

You mean drainage ditch they call a creek.

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At the end of the day, aren't all creeks technically drainage ditches?

I get what you're going after, but actual creeks originate from underground springs. Drainage ditches are formed by rainwater runoff.

lol. so we had a kid who was rated an 85, drop to a 77 somehow, which is what dropped us from 3rd to 4th in the rankings. ha. gotta love it.

(02-02-2017 12:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Always recruit mom. It's the number one rule in recruiting.

Just ask our RB coach

Quote:Georgia Southern running backs coach Chris Foster sent 416 impermissible texts over a four-month period to a prospect’s mother, which was a violation of NCAA rules at the time, when he was an assistant coach at Appalachian State, the NCAA released in a report Friday.

http://savannahnow.com/blog/nathan-deen/...hian-state

No inside info, but I think he was tryin to smash

(02-03-2017 09:28 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 12:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Always recruit mom. It's the number one rule in recruiting.

Just ask our RB coach

Quote:Georgia Southern running backs coach Chris Foster sent 416 impermissible texts over a four-month period to a prospect’s mother, which was a violation of NCAA rules at the time, when he was an assistant coach at Appalachian State, the NCAA released in a report Friday.

http://savannahnow.com/blog/nathan-deen/...hian-state

No inside info, but I think he was tryin to smash

I always new App recruiters were always playing beyond the rules.

Interesting that GS and GSU have the exact same average player rating down to the second decimal place, GS has 2 more signees and the highest rated recruit of the two and GSU still has a slight edge in the rankings.

I know how the class rating calculation works (a few guys on the GS board figured it out) and don't have a problem with it, just thought that was interesting.

One thing to consider with GS, though, is that QBs and RBs aren't graded by how well they fit into option offenses. We've had guys before that couldn't start at most FCS schools as a running back who were deadly A-backs.

We've been absolutely killing it on defensive signees the last two years, though.

(02-03-2017 10:22 AM)tapate50 Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 09:28 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 12:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Always recruit mom. It's the number one rule in recruiting.

Just ask our RB coach

Quote:Georgia Southern running backs coach Chris Foster sent 416 impermissible texts over a four-month period to a prospect’s mother, which was a violation of NCAA rules at the time, when he was an assistant coach at Appalachian State, the NCAA released in a report Friday.

http://savannahnow.com/blog/nathan-deen/...hian-state

No inside info, but I think he was tryin to smash

I always new App recruiters were always playing beyond the rules.

Yet we fired him immediately while Southern welcomes him with open arms.

ya, that's the weird think about this, we bust him, fire him immediately, and GS cant hire him quick enough, speaks volumes

(02-03-2017 10:22 AM)tapate50 Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 09:28 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 12:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Always recruit mom. It's the number one rule in recruiting.

Just ask our RB coach

Quote:Georgia Southern running backs coach Chris Foster sent 416 impermissible texts over a four-month period to a prospect’s mother, which was a violation of NCAA rules at the time, when he was an assistant coach at Appalachian State, the NCAA released in a report Friday.

http://savannahnow.com/blog/nathan-deen/...hian-state

No inside info, but I think he was tryin to smash

I always new App recruiters were always playing beyond the rules.

Yes, but didn't you hire him after App ran him out the door?

(02-03-2017 10:22 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Interesting that GS and GSU have the exact same average player rating down to the second decimal place, GS has 2 more signees and the highest rated recruit of the two and GSU still has a slight edge in the rankings.

I know how the class rating calculation works (a few guys on the GS board figured it out) and don't have a problem with it, just thought that was interesting.

One thing to consider with GS, though, is that QBs and RBs aren't graded by how well they fit into option offenses. We've had guys before that couldn't start at most FCS schools as a running back who were deadly A-backs.

We've been absolutely killing it on defensive signees the last two years, though.

That's why college recruit rankings are difficult to nail down. Jalin Moore was the lowest rated recruit of App's class the year he signed. The linemen who graduate this year will likely see time in an NFL Camp yet were only two stars. It's all about fit which is why it's difficult to say that a three star player is better than a two star player in certain situation.

For teams that run unconventional offenses, this is even more true. For someone like Troy or Louisiana who run more traditional spreads, the ratings are likely more precise.

Another thing to note; all Sun Belt programs recruiting total have a down arrow next to them. This is likely due to some flips but also the fact that once players actually signed with the Belt programs the service lowered their rankings. Talk about creating facts to fit a narrative.

(02-03-2017 11:38 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 10:22 AM)tapate50 Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 09:28 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 12:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Always recruit mom. It's the number one rule in recruiting.

Just ask our RB coach

Quote:Georgia Southern running backs coach Chris Foster sent 416 impermissible texts over a four-month period to a prospect’s mother, which was a violation of NCAA rules at the time, when he was an assistant coach at Appalachian State, the NCAA released in a report Friday.

http://savannahnow.com/blog/nathan-deen/...hian-state

No inside info, but I think he was tryin to smash

I always new App recruiters were always playing beyond the rules.

Yes, but didn't you hire him after App ran him out the door?

Take it for what it is worth but our AD was asked this directly and he said they were not made aware of his actions until after he was hired. Now not firing him when they came to light that is a different issue altogether. I seriously doubt CTS and especially TK would have approved that hire knowing NCAA was coming. Unless he is a lifelong buddy of CTS I am sure they could have found another RB coach. Also when he was hired not ONE App fan said anything but good things about him, so it appears they were just as ignorant.

(02-03-2017 01:08 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Another thing to note; all Sun Belt programs recruiting total have a down arrow next to them. This is likely due to some flips but also the fact that once players actually signed with the Belt programs the service lowered their rankings. Talk about creating facts to fit a narrative.

247 is not going through and reranking guys after Signing Day. They may come in and rank players that were given the minimum 70 on Signing Day, but those are going up if they change at all. The reason the red arrow is there is because other classes are changing based on signees being added during signing day. Case in point, USA added a 3-star DT and a WR rated a 76 on Signing Day which pushed the class ranking up three spots nationally.

(02-03-2017 02:14 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 01:08 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Another thing to note; all Sun Belt programs recruiting total have a down arrow next to them. This is likely due to some flips but also the fact that once players actually signed with the Belt programs the service lowered their rankings. Talk about creating facts to fit a narrative.

247 is not going through and reranking guys after Signing Day. They may come in and rank players that were given the minimum 70 on Signing Day, but those are going up if they change at all. The reason the red arrow is there is because other classes are changing based on signees being added during signing day. Case in point, USA added a 3-star DT and a WR rated a 76 on Signing Day which pushed the class ranking up three spots nationally.

Most of our class last year ended up with at least three of the four sites rankings incorporated. How long does it take 24/7 usually to get all of them in? As of now most only have one or two sites rankings. Hard to call it a composite until it actually has more than one sites rankings for players.

(02-03-2017 02:17 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 02:14 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 01:08 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Another thing to note; all Sun Belt programs recruiting total have a down arrow next to them. This is likely due to some flips but also the fact that once players actually signed with the Belt programs the service lowered their rankings. Talk about creating facts to fit a narrative.

247 is not going through and reranking guys after Signing Day. They may come in and rank players that were given the minimum 70 on Signing Day, but those are going up if they change at all. The reason the red arrow is there is because other classes are changing based on signees being added during signing day. Case in point, USA added a 3-star DT and a WR rated a 76 on Signing Day which pushed the class ranking up three spots nationally.

Most of our class last year ended up with at least three of the four sites rankings incorporated. How long does it take 24/7 usually to get all of them in as of now most only have one or two sites rankings.

They'll probably work on it for a couple of more days and then move on to 2018.

(02-03-2017 11:38 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 10:22 AM)tapate50 Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 09:28 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 12:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Always recruit mom. It's the number one rule in recruiting.

Just ask our RB coach

Quote:Georgia Southern running backs coach Chris Foster sent 416 impermissible texts over a four-month period to a prospect’s mother, which was a violation of NCAA rules at the time, when he was an assistant coach at Appalachian State, the NCAA released in a report Friday.

http://savannahnow.com/blog/nathan-deen/...hian-state

No inside info, but I think he was tryin to smash

I always new App recruiters were always playing beyond the rules.

Yes, but didn't you hire him after App ran him out the door?

Yeah, but for us he has been an angel!

It was a joke. One that apparently you humorless heathens couldn't see.

(02-03-2017 02:18 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 02:17 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 02:14 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 01:08 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Another thing to note; all Sun Belt programs recruiting total have a down arrow next to them. This is likely due to some flips but also the fact that once players actually signed with the Belt programs the service lowered their rankings. Talk about creating facts to fit a narrative.

247 is not going through and reranking guys after Signing Day. They may come in and rank players that were given the minimum 70 on Signing Day, but those are going up if they change at all. The reason the red arrow is there is because other classes are changing based on signees being added during signing day. Case in point, USA added a 3-star DT and a WR rated a 76 on Signing Day which pushed the class ranking up three spots nationally.

Most of our class last year ended up with at least three of the four sites rankings incorporated. How long does it take 24/7 usually to get all of them in as of now most only have one or two sites rankings.

They'll probably work on it for a couple of more days and then move on to 2018.

Not sure when their ratings changed but I'm pretty sure some of A-State signees ratings changed on 247 a long time after signing day last year.

I'm pretty sure , based on my little back and forth with 247 that, that will probably be the the case again.

A player like Darren Jackson that has a .7000/ 2-star on 247, and 3-star ratings on Scout, Rivals and ESPN is an example of why.

(02-03-2017 02:11 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 11:38 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 10:22 AM)tapate50 Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 09:28 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 12:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Always recruit mom. It's the number one rule in recruiting.

Just ask our RB coach

Quote:Georgia Southern running backs coach Chris Foster sent 416 impermissible texts over a four-month period to a prospect’s mother, which was a violation of NCAA rules at the time, when he was an assistant coach at Appalachian State, the NCAA released in a report Friday.

http://savannahnow.com/blog/nathan-deen/...hian-state

No inside info, but I think he was tryin to smash

I always new App recruiters were always playing beyond the rules.

Yes, but didn't you hire him after App ran him out the door?

Take it for what it is worth but our AD was asked this directly and he said they were not made aware of his actions until after he was hired. Now not firing him when they came to light that is a different issue altogether. I seriously doubt CTS and especially TK would have approved that hire knowing NCAA was coming. Unless he is a lifelong buddy of CTS I am sure they could have found another RB coach. Also when he was hired not ONE App fan said anything but good things about him, so it appears they were just as ignorant.

I still can't believe we didn't fire him when this information was revealed. Everytime I start thinking everything is going to be okay with southern, I'm reminded of some idiotic descision that our coach or ad has made.

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(02-03-2017 10:22 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Interesting that GS and GSU have the exact same average player rating down to the second decimal place, GS has 2 more signees and the highest rated recruit of the two and GSU still has a slight edge in the rankings.

I know how the class rating calculation works (a few guys on the GS board figured it out) and don't have a problem with it, just thought that was interesting.

One thing to consider with GS, though, is that QBs and RBs aren't graded by how well they fit into option offenses. We've had guys before that couldn't start at most FCS schools as a running back who were deadly A-backs.

We've been absolutely killing it on defensive signees the last two years, though.

Tell me again which akronym is Georgia State? Sorry guys, if it doesn't pertain to AstAte I will need some coaching.

(02-03-2017 08:20 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  I still can't believe we didn't fire him when this information was revealed. Everytime I start thinking everything is going to be okay with southern, I'm reminded of some idiotic descision that our coach or ad has made.

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I have a hard time believing that CTS and TK did not know anything about Foster's situation. The guy oversaw a good running game at App State and then just leaves for a DIII and you don't ask Foster about it or at least ask Scott Satterfield? When Summers put his staff together several of us on the GS board were talking about this very thing and knew he might've been in some kind of NCAA trouble.

I don't mind him being hired. When you send 460+ texts to a recruit's mom you most likely aren't doing actual recruiting work. I do have a problem with their explanation. Just say something like "we thought Foster was a good fit for the program and we were prepared to work around the restrictions the NCAA put on him".

(02-03-2017 01:06 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 10:22 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Interesting that GS and GSU have the exact same average player rating down to the second decimal place, GS has 2 more signees and the highest rated recruit of the two and GSU still has a slight edge in the rankings.

I know how the class rating calculation works (a few guys on the GS board figured it out) and don't have a problem with it, just thought that was interesting.

One thing to consider with GS, though, is that QBs and RBs aren't graded by how well they fit into option offenses. We've had guys before that couldn't start at most FCS schools as a running back who were deadly A-backs.

We've been absolutely killing it on defensive signees the last two years, though.

That's why college recruit rankings are difficult to nail down. Jalin Moore was the lowest rated recruit of App's class the year he signed. The linemen who graduate this year will likely see time in an NFL Camp yet were only two stars. It's all about fit which is why it's difficult to say that a three star player is better than a two star player in certain situation.

For teams that run unconventional offenses, this is even more true. For someone like Troy or Louisiana who run more traditional spreads, the ratings are likely more precise.

Not to say rankings are more accurate than not, but you can't point to instances of 2* making it to the NFL as evidence of inaccuracy. Rankings are an evaluation at that time, against High School level or Juco talent, not a future predictor of success. Some kids mature and develop more slowly, and some have poor instruction and training in HS. Therefore, a lot can change in someone's ability between Sr year in HS and Sr year in college. So a kid may accurately be a 2* HS player, but develop so much, he becomes a 4* college level player.