(01-15-2017 12:22 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 04:18 PM)I45owl Wrote:  God forbid companies make a product for helping millions of people.

Big Ag businesses are some of the most evil in the world. The amount of profit they've made by poisoning people is disgusting.

Agriculture is literally the business of feeding people. Those evil bastards... they should stop that immediately!

(01-15-2017 12:22 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 04:18 PM)I45owl Wrote:  God forbid companies make a product for helping millions of people.

Big Ag businesses are some of the most evil in the world. The amount of profit they've made by poisoning people is disgusting.

Feel free to worship profit, if you must. But you aren't going to get me into your cult.

Poisoning? Please expand...

Bison's problem is that nobody should make a profit doing anything. But without profits you have no producers or innovators. Nobody sane takes risks where there are no rewards.

Without profits, pretty soon nobody has anything.

(01-16-2017 04:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Bison's problem is that nobody should make a profit doing anything. But without profits you have no producers or innovators. Nobody sane takes risks where there are no rewards.

Without profits, pretty soon nobody has anything.

But she was touting the greatness of Minnesota companies not that long ago and how they have performed.

(01-16-2017 04:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Bison's problem is that nobody should make a profit doing anything. But without profits you have no producers or innovators. Nobody sane takes risks where there are no rewards.

Without profits, pretty soon nobody has anything.

Pure and simple...Bison is a collectivist/communist leaning socialist...and...I don't really think she understands how far left her views are.

(01-16-2017 03:01 PM)I45owl Wrote:  Agriculture is literally the business of feeding people.

How many people do you know that are surviving on a diet of soybeans, table sugar, and high fructose corn syrup???

(01-16-2017 04:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Bison's problem is that nobody should make a profit doing anything.

False

(01-16-2017 04:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Without profits, pretty soon nobody has anything.

We should all take a moment to think about how sad and distorted of a reality such a sentiment causes.

Workers work because they get paid. They use the money to support themselves and their families. Such a thing does not need profit to proliferate. Only revenue. And yet, businesses and investors demand not just profit ... but continuous, everlasting profit growth, even though such a thing is physically impossible.

Tell that to GE or Coca Cola

(01-21-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Workers work because they get paid. They use the money to support themselves and their families. Such a thing does not need profit to proliferate. Only revenue. And yet, businesses and investors demand not just profit ... but continuous, everlasting profit growth, even though such a thing is physically impossible.

You have got to be kidding.

(01-21-2017 09:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Workers work because they get paid. They use the money to support themselves and their families. Such a thing does not need profit to proliferate. Only revenue. And yet, businesses and investors demand not just profit ... but continuous, everlasting profit growth, even though such a thing is physically impossible.

You have got to be kidding.

The lack of understanding of human nature and human motivations is astounding, no??

(01-21-2017 09:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Workers work because they get paid. They use the money to support themselves and their families. Such a thing does not need profit to proliferate. Only revenue. And yet, businesses and investors demand not just profit ... but continuous, everlasting profit growth, even though such a thing is physically impossible.

You have got to be kidding.

I think it's trolling at this point. It has to be.

(01-22-2017 11:07 AM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 09:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Workers work because they get paid. They use the money to support themselves and their families. Such a thing does not need profit to proliferate. Only revenue. And yet, businesses and investors demand not just profit ... but continuous, everlasting profit growth, even though such a thing is physically impossible.

You have got to be kidding.

I think it's trolling at this point. It has to be.

Has to be. No profit equals no company equals no employees equals no one supporting themselves. No one can be that naive. It's Econ 101 which surprising is beyond way too many people.

(01-22-2017 11:45 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 11:07 AM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 09:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Workers work because they get paid. They use the money to support themselves and their families. Such a thing does not need profit to proliferate. Only revenue. And yet, businesses and investors demand not just profit ... but continuous, everlasting profit growth, even though such a thing is physically impossible.

You have got to be kidding.

I think it's trolling at this point. It has to be.

Has to be. No profit equals no company equals no employees equals no one supporting themselves. No one can be that naive. It's Econ 101 which surprising is beyond way too many people.

Wow!! If this is the mindset of the average Prog? This country is in for disaster.

(01-21-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-16-2017 03:01 PM)I45owl Wrote:  Agriculture is literally the business of feeding people.

How many people do you know that are surviving on a diet of soybeans, table sugar, and high fructose corn syrup???

Somewhere, in the dungeons of Archer, Daniels, Midland, I'm sure they've got slaves from Big Rock Candy Mountain that they're force feeding on a diet of soybeans, table sugar and high fructose corn syrup. By the way, if you're looking for a bad actor in all of this (I suspected where you were getting at and thought to post this in my first response to you): it's the heavy hand of government.

Farm bill: Why don’t taxpayers subsidize the foods that are better for us? - The Washington Post

Quote:Taxpayers heavily subsidize corn and soy, two crops that facilitate the meat and processed food we’re supposed to eat less of, and do almost nothing for the fruits and vegetables we’re supposed to eat more of.

(01-22-2017 01:32 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-16-2017 03:01 PM)I45owl Wrote:  Agriculture is literally the business of feeding people.

How many people do you know that are surviving on a diet of soybeans, table sugar, and high fructose corn syrup???

Somewhere, in the dungeons of Archer, Daniels, Midland, I'm sure they've got slaves from Big Rock Candy Mountain that they're force feeding on a diet of soybeans, table sugar and high fructose corn syrup. By the way, if you're looking for a bad actor in all of this (I suspected where you were getting at and thought to post this in my first response to you): it's the heavy hand of government.

Farm bill: Why don’t taxpayers subsidize the foods that are better for us? - The Washington Post

Quote:Taxpayers heavily subsidize corn and soy, two crops that facilitate the meat and processed food we’re supposed to eat less of, and do almost nothing for the fruits and vegetables we’re supposed to eat more of.

Interesting article. I wonder how much the perishability of fruits and vegetables would into this? If we subsidized that production and reduced that of soy, wheat and corn(which are greatly less perishable) without actually knowing the demand...it could be a disaster. Just a thought.

(01-22-2017 01:40 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 01:32 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-16-2017 03:01 PM)I45owl Wrote:  Agriculture is literally the business of feeding people.

How many people do you know that are surviving on a diet of soybeans, table sugar, and high fructose corn syrup???

Somewhere, in the dungeons of Archer, Daniels, Midland, I'm sure they've got slaves from Big Rock Candy Mountain that they're force feeding on a diet of soybeans, table sugar and high fructose corn syrup. By the way, if you're looking for a bad actor in all of this (I suspected where you were getting at and thought to post this in my first response to you): it's the heavy hand of government.

Farm bill: Why don’t taxpayers subsidize the foods that are better for us? - The Washington Post

Quote:Taxpayers heavily subsidize corn and soy, two crops that facilitate the meat and processed food we’re supposed to eat less of, and do almost nothing for the fruits and vegetables we’re supposed to eat more of.

Interesting article. I wonder how much the perishability of fruits and vegetables would into this? If we subsidized that production and reduced that of soy, wheat and corn(which are greatly less perishable) without actually knowing the demand...it could be a disaster. Just a thought.

Farm subsidies are very controversial in general. Among the unintended(?) consequences are destroying family farms in favor of conglomerates, pushing unhealthy choices into other government run programs (schools), and a major negative impact on our neighbors' economies, contributing to illegal immigration, etc.

Farm subsidies are not just controversial here, they are very controversial in the European North African relationship as well.

(01-22-2017 06:42 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 01:40 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 01:32 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 01:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-16-2017 03:01 PM)I45owl Wrote:  Agriculture is literally the business of feeding people.

How many people do you know that are surviving on a diet of soybeans, table sugar, and high fructose corn syrup???

Somewhere, in the dungeons of Archer, Daniels, Midland, I'm sure they've got slaves from Big Rock Candy Mountain that they're force feeding on a diet of soybeans, table sugar and high fructose corn syrup. By the way, if you're looking for a bad actor in all of this (I suspected where you were getting at and thought to post this in my first response to you): it's the heavy hand of government.

Farm bill: Why don’t taxpayers subsidize the foods that are better for us? - The Washington Post

Quote:Taxpayers heavily subsidize corn and soy, two crops that facilitate the meat and processed food we’re supposed to eat less of, and do almost nothing for the fruits and vegetables we’re supposed to eat more of.

Interesting article. I wonder how much the perishability of fruits and vegetables would into this? If we subsidized that production and reduced that of soy, wheat and corn(which are greatly less perishable) without actually knowing the demand...it could be a disaster. Just a thought.

Farm subsidies are very controversial in general. Among the unintended(?) consequences are destroying family farms in favor of conglomerates, pushing unhealthy choices into other government run programs (schools), and a major negative impact on our neighbors' economies, contributing to illegal immigration, etc.

Farm subsidies are not just controversial here, they are very controversial in the European North African relationship as well.

I have a good friend that bought a 500+acre tract in ENC. Most of it is covered with timber..but..about 70 acres is cleared farmland. I was amazed when this subject came up in conversation as to just how much he received last year in farm subsidy. He planted about 50 acres in soybeans and did very well in his first year. He is doing nothing illegal..simply following the rules and applying for the cash. In addition to the subsidy...he also received free seed to plant 15 acres in Sorghum. There is almost no way not to make money if you run the farm with good business practices. The only question..is how much...depending on the usual environmental perils of farming.