(01-04-2017 09:28 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise metro is close to 700,000 and growing bigger. They are the third largest metro in the northwest behind Portland and Seattle. They should be considered a major important city.

I always forget how tiny most of the "metro areas" in western states are. Akron has a Metropolitan Statistical Area of just over 700k that is distinct from Cleveland (they're separated by a large band of about 20 miles of forestland in the Cuyahoga Valley National Park) and larger than the Boise, Wichita, Salem (OR), Spokane, and many other metro areas. But since Boise is miles and miles from anything else around, it's considered a major hub, while Akron is surrounded on all sides by other major metro areas like Cleveland (2 million), Youngstown-Warren (550k), Canton-Massillon (400k) all within 50 miles of each other.

The El Paso metro area has 850k people but it can go as high as 2.8 million when you count Juarez and Las Cruces. El Paso County alone is expected to go over 1 million people in the next decade. FWIW, UTEP gets coverage in the Juarez media and UTEP is one of those very rare G5 schools that completely controls its market with no pro sports and P5 schools nearby (NMSU is a distant second but they have a presence in Southern New Mexico). The closest pro sports town is Phoenix and the closest P5 school is the University of Arizona in Tucson. Hint: both are hours away.

(01-04-2017 02:55 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 09:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Are we sure that they love their pro football teams which both play in New Jersey. NYC really does not have a team for themselves. I could see Stony Brook get a called up. Stony Brook, Fordham or LIU-Post are in the NYC metro.

You've said some amazing statements over the years, but this one is near the top. With this logic, Stony Brook could be NYC's team, but not the Giants or Jets because they play in New Jersey. This is actually making my brain hurt.

NYC needed a state power to emerge decades ago. It's just not gonna happen now, not even for Rutgers.

(01-04-2017 01:50 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  You know an area that is also underserved, that could probably allow an FBS school to thrive, is the Inland Empire (Riverside)? It is its won own metropolitan area, over 4 million people, and is the largest by far with no pro sports team of its own. But since UC Riverside shuttered its program about 40 years ago, I am guessing not...

Do you have any idea how impoverished the IE is? San Bernardino is the poorest city of any notable size in the country (15K median income at last check).

That and it's already firmly a USC/UCLA/Pac-12 market.

(01-03-2017 11:00 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  With the Chargers likely leaving San Diego for LA, San Diego would be the largest metro area without the NFL and leaving San Diego St in the biggest market with no NFL competition. List by population size (total metro area) and FBS school in the city.

-San Diego: San Diego St University (MWC) 3.3 mil
-Orlando: University of Central Florida (AAC) 2.3 mil
-San Antonio: UTSA (CUSA) 2.3 mil
- Las Vegas: UNLV (MWC) 2.1 mil
-Columbus: Ohio St (Big Ten) 2 mil
-Austin: Texas (Big 12) 2 mil
-Norfolk: Old Dominion (CUSA) 1.6 mil
-Memphis: University of Memphis (AAC) 1.3 mil
-Louisville: University of Louisville (ACC) 1.2 mil
-Salt Lake City: Utah (PAC) 1.2 mil
-Tucson: Arizona (PAC) 1 mil
-Honolulu: University of Hawaii (MWC) 998,000
-Tulsa: Tulsa (AAC) 981,00
-Fresno: Fresno St (MWC) 974,000
-Albuquerque: University of New Mexico (MWC) 907,00
-Greenville: South Carolina (SEC)


*Austin is the 11th biggest city in the US. El Paso is the 20th. That's why I'm using metro area as my metric.

Cheers!

USC is in Columbia, not Greenville. Clemson is the local(ish) team to Greenville-Spartanburg

The largest metro in the US with neither a FBS team, a FBS team with local support, nor a NFL team is probably Rochester (although I suppose Syracuse is considered local). Rochester's metro is 1,082,000, per wiki

Portland, Maine (519,900) is the biggest metro that is completely empty. And then probably Anchorage (~400k)

Hartford/New Haven/Springfield has almost 3 million people.

Clemson is Greenville

(01-04-2017 09:58 PM)NYC native Wrote:  Hartford/New Haven/Springfield has almost 3 million people.

UConn delivers the entire state. That's the benefit of being the flagship school from a wealthy state with no in state rivals and few FBS schools in the Northeast. To me UConn is more like Missouri, Nebraska, Minnesota and Wisconsin in that they're the only FBS school in the state. The only thing you guys lack is the P5 label.

(01-04-2017 09:58 PM)NYC native Wrote:  Hartford/New Haven/Springfield has almost 3 million people.

Those are three different metro areas, though. I'm surprised Springfield and Hartford aren't linked at least as a Combined Statistical Area. You'd think there's enough commuter exchange.

Raleigh/ Triangle
Triad

(01-04-2017 07:04 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 01:50 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  You know an area that is also underserved, that could probably allow an FBS school to thrive, is the Inland Empire (Riverside)? It is its won own metropolitan area, over 4 million people, and is the largest by far with no pro sports team of its own. But since UC Riverside shuttered its program about 40 years ago, I am guessing not...

Do you have any idea how impoverished the IE is? San Bernardino is the poorest city of any notable size in the country (15K median income at last check).

That and it's already firmly a USC/UCLA/Pac-12 market.

I always knew things were bad in the 909 but didn't know how bad it really is. California is PAC-12 country and the only school that controls its area is Fresno State in the San Joaquin Valley area. SDSU has had attendance issues in the past and I don't see that improving dramatically with or without an NFL team in town.

(01-04-2017 10:12 PM)madizoned-level2004 Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 09:58 PM)NYC native Wrote:  Hartford/New Haven/Springfield has almost 3 million people.

Those are three different metro areas, though. I'm surprised Springfield and Hartford aren't linked at least as a Combined Statistical Area. You'd think there's enough commuter exchange.

They count them as one metro with all the total population.

Spokane counts Cheney, Post Falls and Coeur d'aLene Idaho as part of their metro.

(01-04-2017 02:07 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-03-2017 11:00 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  With the Chargers likely leaving San Diego for LA, San Diego would be the largest metro area without the NFL and leaving San Diego St in the biggest market with no NFL competition. List by population size (total metro area) and FBS school in the city.

-San Diego: San Diego St University (MWC) 3.3 mil
-Orlando: University of Central Florida (AAC) 2.3 mil
-San Antonio: UTSA (CUSA) 2.3 mil
- Las Vegas: UNLV (MWC) 2.1 mil
-Columbus: Ohio St (Big Ten) 2 mil
-Austin: Texas (Big 12) 2 mil
-Norfolk: Old Dominion (CUSA) 1.6 mil
-Memphis: University of Memphis (AAC) 1.3 mil
-Louisville: University of Louisville (ACC) 1.2 mil
-Salt Lake City: Utah (PAC) 1.2 mil
-Tucson: Arizona (PAC) 1 mil
-Honolulu: University of Hawaii (MWC) 998,000
-Tulsa: Tulsa (AAC) 981,00
-Fresno: Fresno St (MWC) 974,000
-Albuquerque: University of New Mexico (MWC) 907,00
-Greenville: South Carolina (SEC)


*Austin is the 11th biggest city in the US. El Paso is the 20th. That's why I'm using metro area as my metric.

Cheers!

Que? Last time I checked South Carolina was in Columbia, not Greenville. And GSP is Clemson territory by a wide margin.

Fixed it. I had Greenville on my mind. The one in NC where I went to school.

Cheers!

(01-04-2017 06:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The El Paso metro area has 850k people but it can go as high as 2.8 million when you count Juarez and Las Cruces. El Paso County alone is expected to go over 1 million people in the next decade. FWIW, UTEP gets coverage in the Juarez media and UTEP is one of those very rare G5 schools that completely controls its market with no pro sports and P5 schools nearby (NMSU is a distant second but they have a presence in Southern New Mexico). The closest pro sports town is Phoenix and the closest P5 school is the University of Arizona in Tucson. Hint: both are hours away.

El Paso is a tough one. It's the 19th biggest city, but has a metro area of less than a million if you don't count the part of the Metro in Mexico. I don't know, does UTEP get a lot of fan support from Ciudad Juarez? I did a New Years in Juarez before the Army said we'd be kicked out for going to Mexico.. What a great memory. Also took in the Sun Bowl on that trip.

Cheers!

(01-04-2017 09:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-03-2017 11:00 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  With the Chargers likely leaving San Diego for LA, San Diego would be the largest metro area without the NFL and leaving San Diego St in the biggest market with no NFL competition. List by population size (total metro area) and FBS school in the city.

-San Diego: San Diego St University (MWC) 3.3 mil
-Orlando: University of Central Florida (AAC) 2.3 mil
-San Antonio: UTSA (CUSA) 2.3 mil
- Las Vegas: UNLV (MWC) 2.1 mil
-Columbus: Ohio St (Big Ten) 2 mil
-Austin: Texas (Big 12) 2 mil
-Norfolk: Old Dominion (CUSA) 1.6 mil
-Memphis: University of Memphis (AAC) 1.3 mil
-Louisville: University of Louisville (ACC) 1.2 mil
-Salt Lake City: Utah (PAC) 1.2 mil
-Tucson: Arizona (PAC) 1 mil
-Honolulu: University of Hawaii (MWC) 998,000
-Tulsa: Tulsa (AAC) 981,00
-Fresno: Fresno St (MWC) 974,000
-Albuquerque: University of New Mexico (MWC) 907,00
-Greenville: South Carolina (SEC)


*Austin is the 11th biggest city in the US. El Paso is the 20th. That's why I'm using metro area as my metric.

Cheers!

USC is in Columbia, not Greenville. Clemson is the local(ish) team to Greenville-Spartanburg

The largest metro in the US with neither a FBS team, a FBS team with local support, nor a NFL team is probably Rochester (although I suppose Syracuse is considered local). Rochester's metro is 1,082,000, per wiki

Portland, Maine (519,900) is the biggest metro that is completely empty. And then probably Anchorage (~400k)

My bad. Can you forgive a Pirate for that Freudian slip?

Cheers!

(01-04-2017 11:18 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 06:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The El Paso metro area has 850k people but it can go as high as 2.8 million when you count Juarez and Las Cruces. El Paso County alone is expected to go over 1 million people in the next decade. FWIW, UTEP gets coverage in the Juarez media and UTEP is one of those very rare G5 schools that completely controls its market with no pro sports and P5 schools nearby (NMSU is a distant second but they have a presence in Southern New Mexico). The closest pro sports town is Phoenix and the closest P5 school is the University of Arizona in Tucson. Hint: both are hours away.

El Paso is a tough one. It's the 19th biggest city, but has a metro area of less than a million if you don't count the part of the Metro in Mexico. I don't know, does UTEP get a lot of fan support from Ciudad Juarez? I did a New Years in Juarez before the Army said we'd be kicked out for going to Mexico.. What a great memory. Also took in the Sun Bowl on that trip.

Cheers!

UTEP has an alumni chapter in Juarez and the FB and BB teams get coverage there as well as the Sun Bowl game. The thing I noticed when I was a student is that most students who commuted from Juarez (it used to be about 10% of students back in the 90's) were meh about Miner athletics. That was then maybe things changed since then. I was there for just 4 semesters so take it FWIW. Looks like you lived there longer when you were stationed at Ft Bliss than I did. And I agree, Juarez was fun back then. Just had to be 18 and I still remember college night was all you can drink for $10 or a bucket of Coronas for just $7

(01-04-2017 11:50 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 11:18 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 06:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The El Paso metro area has 850k people but it can go as high as 2.8 million when you count Juarez and Las Cruces. El Paso County alone is expected to go over 1 million people in the next decade. FWIW, UTEP gets coverage in the Juarez media and UTEP is one of those very rare G5 schools that completely controls its market with no pro sports and P5 schools nearby (NMSU is a distant second but they have a presence in Southern New Mexico). The closest pro sports town is Phoenix and the closest P5 school is the University of Arizona in Tucson. Hint: both are hours away.

El Paso is a tough one. It's the 19th biggest city, but has a metro area of less than a million if you don't count the part of the Metro in Mexico. I don't know, does UTEP get a lot of fan support from Ciudad Juarez? I did a New Years in Juarez before the Army said we'd be kicked out for going to Mexico.. What a great memory. Also took in the Sun Bowl on that trip.

Cheers!

UTEP has an alumni chapter in Juarez and the FB and BB teams get coverage there as well as the Sun Bowl game. The thing I noticed when I was a student is that most students who commuted from Juarez (it used to be about 10% of students back in the 90's) were meh about Miner athletics. That was then maybe things changed since then. I was there for just 4 semesters so take it FWIW. Looks like you lived there longer when you were stationed at Ft Bliss than I did. And I agree, Juarez was fun back then. Just had to be 18 and I still remember college night was all you can drink for $10 or a bucket of Coronas for just $7

Drink and drown for $7 in Jauraz! Oh how much fun I had that night!

Cheers!

The cities that will get NFL Franchises are:

St. Louis
San Antonio
Orlando

If the Chargers move to LA, then San Diego will get a new franchise.

(01-04-2017 10:12 PM)madizoned-level2004 Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 09:58 PM)NYC native Wrote:  Hartford/New Haven/Springfield has almost 3 million people.

Those are three different metro areas, though. I'm surprised Springfield and Hartford aren't linked at least as a Combined Statistical Area. You'd think there's enough commuter exchange.

Yea he's wrong. New Haven metro is a separate 800k and Springfield's 600k. Hartford/New Haven are a combined DMA for television purposes, but Springfield is a separate DMA with Holyoke. So I don't know where he's coming from.

FYI the New Haven-Hartford-Springfield commuter line is set to launch Jan 2018.

(01-04-2017 09:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The largest metro in the US with neither a FBS team, a FBS team with local support, nor a NFL team is probably Rochester (although I suppose Syracuse is considered local). Rochester's metro is 1,082,000, per wiki

Portland, Maine (519,900) is the biggest metro that is completely empty. And then probably Anchorage (~400k)

Rochester to Buffalo is 66 miles. Rochester to Syracuse is 74 miles. Close enough to be considered local.