I like how morons like Madd Dawg still defend the MAC over the AAC. Get over yourself bud.

(12-19-2016 07:45 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 07:40 PM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 07:29 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 06:15 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  Piece of garbage conference.

At least MAC has not embarrassed itself like the AAC

Tulsa, AAC 55
Central Mich, MAC 10

Talking about the games without the bottom dwellers. Houston looked FCS

Hardly think that is an accurate comparison. Houston lost it's coach and SDSU won the MWC.

Saying that the MAC struggles in bowl play is an understatement. Looking back to the 2003 season, the MAC has only posted a winning record in postseason play twice (2003, 2011). 2003 was also the last time the MAC Champ won a bowl game against a team that doesn't play in the Sun Belt (Miami over Louisville). Including the two bowls games played thus far in 2016 , the combined record for MAC bowl teams over that span is a terrible 20 - 40.

The AAC makes most of their noise in September. Post season is a different story. The conference's overall bowl record, including the win over a limping CMU team, is 7-15.

(12-21-2016 02:27 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The AAC makes most of their noise in September. Post season is a different story. The conference's overall bowl record, including the win over a limping CMU team, is 7-15.

This is a mainly homer AAC board, people wont admit facts here

(12-21-2016 02:41 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 02:27 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The AAC makes most of their noise in September. Post season is a different story. The conference's overall bowl record, including the win over a limping CMU team, is 7-15.

This is a mainly homer AAC board, people wont admit facts here

Here are a couple facts:

Over half those games were against P5 teams: Auburn, Florida, Virginia Tech (x2), Florida State, NC State, Pittsburgh (x2), Notre Dame, Baylor, North Carolina, Miami, Vanderbilt.

The MAC is 5 - 12 during the same time frame in bowl games and that is mostly against G5 teams. The MAC is 0 - 3 against P5 teams.

If the AAC makes most of their noise in September, when does the MAC make most of their noise? Spring Practice?

(12-21-2016 05:06 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  If the AAC makes most of their noise in September, when does the MAC make most of their noise? Spring Practice?

September.

We have 16 P5 wins in the past 4 years, more than the MWC, CUSA and Sun Belt.

(12-21-2016 05:03 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 02:41 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 02:27 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The AAC makes most of their noise in September. Post season is a different story. The conference's overall bowl record, including the win over a limping CMU team, is 7-15.

This is a mainly homer AAC board, people wont admit facts here

Here are a couple facts:

Over half those games were against P5 teams: Auburn, Florida, Virginia Tech (x2), Florida State, NC State, Pittsburgh (x2), Notre Dame, Baylor, North Carolina, Miami, Vanderbilt.

The MAC is 5 - 12 during the same time frame in bowl games and that is mostly against G5 teams. The MAC is 0 - 3 against P5 teams.

The burden of P5-worthiness proof falls on the AAC, not the MAC, given their commissioner's tantrums and silly P6 stickers on their helmets. Everyone knows we arent the B1G or SEC.

If they insist on being a de facto "pretend" Power conference, and wear P5 stickers in their bowls, then going 2-7 against G5 opponents in bowl games dating back to last season isn't presenting a strong case thus far.

(12-21-2016 07:53 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 05:06 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  If the AAC makes most of their noise in September, when does the MAC make most of their noise? Spring Practice?

September.

We have 16 P5 wins in the past 4 years, more than the MWC, CUSA and Sun Belt.

It could be that this is the only time in the season where MAC teams are playing at full strength (no injuries yet). Other conferences are deeper in talent. It's plug and play. Our conference goes into survival mode at the end of the season. You can never have too much talent at one position in football.

(12-21-2016 07:53 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 05:06 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  If the AAC makes most of their noise in September, when does the MAC make most of their noise? Spring Practice?

September.

We have 16 P5 wins in the past 4 years, more than the MWC, CUSA and Sun Belt.

But less than ........ say it...

(12-21-2016 08:10 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 05:03 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 02:41 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 02:27 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The AAC makes most of their noise in September. Post season is a different story. The conference's overall bowl record, including the win over a limping CMU team, is 7-15.

This is a mainly homer AAC board, people wont admit facts here

Here are a couple facts:

Over half those games were against P5 teams: Auburn, Florida, Virginia Tech (x2), Florida State, NC State, Pittsburgh (x2), Notre Dame, Baylor, North Carolina, Miami, Vanderbilt.

The MAC is 5 - 12 during the same time frame in bowl games and that is mostly against G5 teams. The MAC is 0 - 3 against P5 teams.

The burden of P5-worthiness proof falls on the AAC, not the MAC, given their commissioner's tantrums and silly P6 stickers on their helmets. Everyone knows we arent the B1G or SEC.

If they insist on being a de facto "pretend" Power conference, and wear P5 stickers in their bowls, then going 2-7 against G5 opponents in bowl games dating back to last season isn't presenting a strong case thus far.

Instead of using glorified exhibition games that are half way across the country during Christmas, I prefer to use regular season games. The AAC is 12-2 vs the MAC. Vs all G5 they're 33-16(.673) The MAC is 73-93(.439)vs G5. The MWC vs G5 81-58(.582). Out of conference this year AAC was 31-17, the MAC was 23-25, MWC was 26-23. Is that enough proof or will this debate continue to be our burden?

Houston's wins over the last year (#3 Oklahoma, #3 Louisville, #9 Florida St) are better than anything in the MAC's history.

(12-20-2016 12:47 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  Saying that the MAC struggles in bowl play is an understatement. Looking back to the 2003 season, the MAC has only posted a winning record in postseason play twice (2003, 2011). 2003 was also the last time the MAC Champ won a bowl game against a team that doesn't play in the Sun Belt (Miami over Louisville). Including the two bowls games played thus far in 2016 , the combined record for MAC bowl teams over that span is a terrible 20 - 40.

I believe that UT is 9 and 4 in bowl games. Is UT the only program in the MAC with a winning record in bowl games? I have a feeling that is the case!

(12-21-2016 09:42 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 07:53 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 05:06 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  If the AAC makes most of their noise in September, when does the MAC make most of their noise? Spring Practice?

September.

We have 16 P5 wins in the past 4 years, more than the MWC, CUSA and Sun Belt.

But less than ........ say it...

I've already 'said' it several times: AAC is stronger than the MAC. No argument there. I also understood and supported NIU fans' desire to get an invite.

However the AAC is delusional with this "We're a Power Conference" insistence. Though I'll give them credit... it's savvy branding and good politicking.

The conference's selling point is large urban TV markets. But while 32K average attendance is tops in G5, it's weak vis-à-vis the power conferences (the worst current P5 was 50K). A few schools like Houston might get plucked by a P5 someday, but certainly not the whole conference. Whereas it'd be CUSA all over again.

(12-22-2016 09:46 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 09:42 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 07:53 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 05:06 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  If the AAC makes most of their noise in September, when does the MAC make most of their noise? Spring Practice?

September.

We have 16 P5 wins in the past 4 years, more than the MWC, CUSA and Sun Belt.

But less than ........ say it...

I've already 'said' it several times: AAC is stronger than the MAC. No argument there. I also understood and supported NIU fans' desire to get an invite.

However the AAC is delusional with this "We're a Power Conference" insistence. Though I'll give them credit... it's savvy branding and good politicking.

The conference's selling point is large urban TV markets. But while 32K average attendance is tops in G5, it's weak vis-à-vis the power conferences (the worst current P5 was 50K). A few schools like Houston might get plucked by a P5 someday, but certainly not the whole conference. Whereas it'd be CUSA all over again.

The AAC is right between the top G5 and the bottom P5. Conference limbo.

The ACC, AAC, MWC win % vs g5 and p5 all time:

ACC .750, .375
AAC .687, .314
MW .582, .304

I think most people here believe that a move to a power conference would provide some measurable boost in funds, recruiting and attendance. So for the AAC to think they'd at least be on par with the ACC if they had P5 status is really not a reach.
For reference, the MAC vs P5 is .189.

Quote:Houston's wins over the last year (#3 Oklahoma, #3 Louisville, #9 Florida St) are better than anything in the MAC's history.

To be fair, you don't want to rank teams at their highest ranking of the year or when they played them -- but their Final Year ranking.

- #7 Oklahoma (right now, subject to change)
- #13 Louisville (right now, subject to change)
- #14 Florida State (final AP rankings of 2015/2016)

That said, Houston at #8 at the end of last year is about as high as a G5 has ever gotten (like Boise) -- and higher than any MAC team in history (#10 Miami-OH, Marshall). But the ranking by no means is far and away in another league.

But yes, if things pan out in Houston's direction at the end of bowl season -- beating 2 Top 10 teams and 1 Top 15 team in 3 years -- is more impressive than one would ever expect from a MAC team. But also, from just about anyone else in the AAC & MW, too. :)

(12-22-2016 04:05 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Houston's wins over the last year (#3 Oklahoma, #3 Louisville, #9 Florida St) are better than anything in the MAC's history.

To be fair, you don't want to rank teams at their highest ranking of the year or when they played them -- but their Final Year ranking.

- #7 Oklahoma (right now, subject to change)
- #13 Louisville (right now, subject to change)
- #14 Florida State (final AP rankings of 2015/2016)

That said, Houston at #8 at the end of last year is about as high as a G5 has ever gotten (like Boise) -- and higher than any MAC team in history (#10 Miami-OH, Marshall). But the ranking by no means is far and away in another league.

But yes, if things pan out in Houston's direction at the end of bowl season -- beating 2 Top 10 teams and 1 Top 15 team in 3 years -- is more impressive than one would ever expect from a MAC team. But also, from just about anyone else in the AAC & MW, too. :)

To be fair, I'll rank them however I see fit. You can do the same.

(12-22-2016 09:13 AM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  

(12-20-2016 12:47 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  Saying that the MAC struggles in bowl play is an understatement. Looking back to the 2003 season, the MAC has only posted a winning record in postseason play twice (2003, 2011). 2003 was also the last time the MAC Champ won a bowl game against a team that doesn't play in the Sun Belt (Miami over Louisville). Including the two bowls games played thus far in 2016 , the combined record for MAC bowl teams over that span is a terrible 20 - 40.

I believe that UT is 9 and 4 in bowl games. Is UT the only program in the MAC with a winning record in bowl games? I have a feeling that is the case!

10-6 #8 in FBS

EMU loses. #MACtion!