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(12-10-2016 11:16 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 10:15 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  It's so frustrating watch the season slip away because we can't make a damn FT.

Amen.

We hold this truth to be self evident. If we can't make free throws, we can't win. Period.

If we ever do get a lead late in the game, the other team need only foul us. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure that out. Miss 7 of 10 down the stretch and wave goodbye to another victory.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why they can't fix this. I wouldn't practice one single thing except for free throws if my team were this bad. We've become a punchline. And I'm not laughing.

They practice the **** out of it. All the guys say they make them all day in practice. Just cannot make them right now in the games. So frustrating.

(12-10-2016 11:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 10:09 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  I predict before this year is over, Fields will be our starting point guard. Better passer, sees the floor better, better shooter and much better at free throws.

I'm not sure how that happens. Caver just needs to hit free throws. We can't even play Fields more than a minute or two without either bring Caver back in for him or alongside him. Like tonight, he had that great pass to Porter than immediately over committed and gave Lewis a 3 and then turned the ball over.

He's been encouraging at times (mainly his vision), but hes nowhere near ready to play significant minutes.

I actually agree with you about Caver, I don't understand why people keep bashing him.

He's only a sophomore, he has a great first step and can get his own shot.

No he's not a great pure shooter and no, he's not a good FT shooter but honestly, who on this team is??

Caver is at least out there creating. The rest of the team is a total mishmash of players who cannot create anything.

(12-10-2016 11:24 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:16 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 10:15 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  It's so frustrating watch the season slip away because we can't make a damn FT.

Amen.

We hold this truth to be self evident. If we can't make free throws, we can't win. Period.

If we ever do get a lead late in the game, the other team need only foul us. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure that out. Miss 7 of 10 down the stretch and wave goodbye to another victory.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why they can't fix this. I wouldn't practice one single thing except for free throws if my team were this bad. We've become a punchline. And I'm not laughing.

They practice the **** out of it. All the guys say they make them all day in practice. Just cannot make them right now in the games. So frustrating.

Then they need to try something different...doing something differently. That's what the coaches are paid to figure out.

They may do things different, I have no idea.

Cavers numbers also look bad because of how often he is left to take a shot with 5 seconds left because our big men cant get in good position down low to receive an entry pass.

(12-10-2016 10:09 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  I predict before this year is over, Fields will be our starting point guard. Better passer, sees the floor better, better shooter and much better at free throws.

I've been saying that for awhile - he has great potential and seems to have more confidence

(12-10-2016 11:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  They may do things different, I have no idea.

Cavers numbers also look bad because of how often he is left to take a shot with 5 seconds left because our big men cant get in good position down low to receive an entry pass.

As I've said multiple times, Freeman made our offense look much better than it actually was.

Without him, those ineffective sets where we had to have him bail us out have really piled up.

We have gone into prolonged scoring droughts in nearly every single game this season. Hell I think even Dartmouth kept us off the scoreboard for an 8 or 9 minute stretch.

It's time to wake up and realize where the problem is.

(12-10-2016 11:32 PM)Obiwan Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 10:09 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  I predict before this year is over, Fields will be our starting point guard. Better passer, sees the floor better, better shooter and much better at free throws.

I've been saying that for awhile - he has great potential and seems to have more confidence

What the hell are you watching??? I saw absolutely nothing from fields that makes me think he's going to be the guy.

He was a total liability on defense and made 1 basket where he actually traveled before he made it.

But sure, he's the answer.

Our bench gave us nothing today and vcus bench was huge for them.....we had all 5 starters play 30 minutes and baker played all 40.

That and FT shooting are what cost us the game. Oh and more bad coaching, let's not forget about that.

(12-10-2016 11:19 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:13 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 10:42 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 10:17 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  We can't bench everyone who shoots under 60% from the line...Wouldn't have enough players.

Which is even more of a reason why Jeff jones doesn't deserve to be our head coach.

And don't anyone give me the "kids are who they are" at FT shooting BS.

Bazemore is proof positive you can improve. He was horrendous as a freshman and is now an 80% ft shooter.

This teams total inability to make FT's is on jones.

Period.

Also, not calling a timeout with 10 or so seconds left and baker completely panicking (great sign when that's you're senior leader) was as bad as anything I saw from a drunk Blaine taylor.

That was absolutely and totally inexcusable. You have two timeouts and a chance to set something up and you do NOTHING.

How can ANYONE be ok with that???

Razor, do we have a head coach you wouldn't fire?

Bobby wilder, Martin, Dawson......quite a few actually. Hell even though finwood has underperformed I'd still give him a little while longer.

Barefoot and jones are the only two coaches I really don't think deserved their jobs when they were hired and have not done enough to keep their jobs with odu.

We are way too bad a FT shooting team this year to make the NCAA tourney and that means jones has yet to take us back to the tourney yet again. 10-20 the year he was hired at American and 4 straight years with no big high major recruits and no NCAA tourney....where are you guys so impressed and what exactly am I missing??

But, you've written on this board that "Wilder is a joke" and "should be fired." Which is it? Blaine, Bobby, Karen, Jeff...we're going to be broke paying coaches not to work for us.

It is more "talent" than coaching, but Im not going to argue all night long about it. Our big men got pushed around the whole game with Cox was playing. Baker helps when he's knocking 3s but it's hard to run the offense around him. BJ and Caver have done a nice job of getting into lane and getting shots, but need to make them.

I just want to win. I don't care who the coach is. Lets see where we are at the end of the year.

(12-10-2016 11:39 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:32 PM)Obiwan Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 10:09 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  I predict before this year is over, Fields will be our starting point guard. Better passer, sees the floor better, better shooter and much better at free throws.

I've been saying that for awhile - he has great potential and seems to have more confidence

What the hell are you watching??? I saw absolutely nothing from fields that makes me think he's going to be the guy.

He was a total liability on defense and made 1 basket where he actually traveled before he made it.

But sure, he's the answer.

Our bench gave us nothing today and vcus bench was huge for them.....we had all 5 starters play 30 minutes and baker played all 40.

That and FT shooting are what cost us the game. Oh and more bad coaching, let's not forget about that.

Have to totally agree about fields here. He is nowhere near being a starter. He looked lost at times tonight, and totally overwhelmed at others. Think he has good potential but if anyone thinks he's the answer, yikes.

(12-10-2016 11:42 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:19 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:13 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 10:42 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 10:17 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  We can't bench everyone who shoots under 60% from the line...Wouldn't have enough players.

Which is even more of a reason why Jeff jones doesn't deserve to be our head coach.

And don't anyone give me the "kids are who they are" at FT shooting BS.

Bazemore is proof positive you can improve. He was horrendous as a freshman and is now an 80% ft shooter.

This teams total inability to make FT's is on jones.

Period.

Also, not calling a timeout with 10 or so seconds left and baker completely panicking (great sign when that's you're senior leader) was as bad as anything I saw from a drunk Blaine taylor.

That was absolutely and totally inexcusable. You have two timeouts and a chance to set something up and you do NOTHING.

How can ANYONE be ok with that???

Razor, do we have a head coach you wouldn't fire?

Bobby wilder, Martin, Dawson......quite a few actually. Hell even though finwood has underperformed I'd still give him a little while longer.

Barefoot and jones are the only two coaches I really don't think deserved their jobs when they were hired and have not done enough to keep their jobs with odu.

We are way too bad a FT shooting team this year to make the NCAA tourney and that means jones has yet to take us back to the tourney yet again. 10-20 the year he was hired at American and 4 straight years with no big high major recruits and no NCAA tourney....where are you guys so impressed and what exactly am I missing??

But, you've written on this board that "Wilder is a joke" and "should be fired." Which is it? Blaine, Bobby, Karen, Jeff...we're going to be broke paying coaches not to work for us.

"We need FBS coaches"

(12-10-2016 11:39 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:32 PM)Obiwan Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 10:09 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  I predict before this year is over, Fields will be our starting point guard. Better passer, sees the floor better, better shooter and much better at free throws.

I've been saying that for awhile - he has great potential and seems to have more confidence

What the hell are you watching??? I saw absolutely nothing from fields that makes me think he's going to be the guy.

He was a total liability on defense and made 1 basket where he actually traveled before he made it.

But sure, he's the answer.

Our bench gave us nothing today and vcus bench was huge for them.....we had all 5 starters play 30 minutes and baker played all 40.

That and FT shooting are what cost us the game. Oh and more bad coaching, let's not forget about that.

His vision and strength for a smaller guard. As a walk on and our second option at the point - I happen to like what I see more game experience and I think he developed into a solid player. Not bashing Caver but I'm also not sold on him as high caliber PG either . But excuse me for having an opinion I forget how much you think you about basketball .

(12-10-2016 11:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  They may do things different, I have no idea.

Cavers numbers also look bad because of how often he is left to take a shot with 5 seconds left because our big men cant get in good position down low to receive an entry pass.

I have no idea why people can't see this. You have a kid that's a creator taking end of the shot clock shots because nobody else can do it. He needs to make some of them but he's a sophomore and they will start falling. Caver is not the problem.

(12-10-2016 11:45 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:39 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:32 PM)Obiwan Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 10:09 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  I predict before this year is over, Fields will be our starting point guard. Better passer, sees the floor better, better shooter and much better at free throws.

I've been saying that for awhile - he has great potential and seems to have more confidence

What the hell are you watching??? I saw absolutely nothing from fields that makes me think he's going to be the guy.

He was a total liability on defense and made 1 basket where he actually traveled before he made it.

But sure, he's the answer.

Our bench gave us nothing today and vcus bench was huge for them.....we had all 5 starters play 30 minutes and baker played all 40.

That and FT shooting are what cost us the game. Oh and more bad coaching, let's not forget about that.

Have to totally agree about fields here. He is nowhere near being a starter. He looked lost at times tonight, and totally overwhelmed at others. Think he has good potential but if anyone thinks he's the answer, yikes.

I like his ability in transition, but he really struggled when they pressed him. And his defense is lacking.

(12-10-2016 10:09 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  I predict before this year is over, Fields will be our starting point guard. Better passer, sees the floor better, better shooter and much better at free throws.

(12-10-2016 11:42 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:19 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:13 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 10:42 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 10:17 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  We can't bench everyone who shoots under 60% from the line...Wouldn't have enough players.

Which is even more of a reason why Jeff jones doesn't deserve to be our head coach.

And don't anyone give me the "kids are who they are" at FT shooting BS.

Bazemore is proof positive you can improve. He was horrendous as a freshman and is now an 80% ft shooter.

This teams total inability to make FT's is on jones.

Period.

Also, not calling a timeout with 10 or so seconds left and baker completely panicking (great sign when that's you're senior leader) was as bad as anything I saw from a drunk Blaine taylor.

That was absolutely and totally inexcusable. You have two timeouts and a chance to set something up and you do NOTHING.

How can ANYONE be ok with that???

Razor, do we have a head coach you wouldn't fire?

Bobby wilder, Martin, Dawson......quite a few actually. Hell even though finwood has underperformed I'd still give him a little while longer.

Barefoot and jones are the only two coaches I really don't think deserved their jobs when they were hired and have not done enough to keep their jobs with odu.

We are way too bad a FT shooting team this year to make the NCAA tourney and that means jones has yet to take us back to the tourney yet again. 10-20 the year he was hired at American and 4 straight years with no big high major recruits and no NCAA tourney....where are you guys so impressed and what exactly am I missing??

But, you've written on this board that "Wilder is a joke" and "should be fired." Which is it? Blaine, Bobby, Karen, Jeff...we're going to be broke paying coaches not to work for us.

Blaine deserved to be fired and was.

I think Bobby is a good but not great football coach who's more than earned every penny odu has ever paid him.

I never would have hired barefoot or jones in the first place when there were much better options. Wood deserves the blame as much as jones because nearly everyone he has hired has been a total failure thus far.

Fields has had the ball taken away from him off the dribble so many times. Ahmad is so solid at running the point. Unfortunately we need him to do way too much right now with Talley on the bench.

Has Fields tried a free throw?

(12-10-2016 11:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  It is more "talent" than coaching, but Im not going to argue all night long about it. Our big men got pushed around the whole game with Cox was playing. Baker helps when he's knocking 3s but it's hard to run the offense around him. BJ and Caver have done a nice job of getting into lane and getting shots, but need to make them.

I just want to win. I don't care who the coach is. Lets see where we are at the end of the year.

You don't need to be the amazing creskin to know where we are gonna be........watching the NCAA tourney on tv because we have no reliable shooters and can't make FT's.

(12-10-2016 11:50 PM)757ODU Wrote:  Fields has had the ball taken away from him off the dribble so many times. Ahmad is so solid at running the point. Unfortunately we need him to do way too much right now with Talley on the bench.

Maybe the first thing we've ever agreed on.

Fields was weak and played weak. He couldn't create, couldn't defend and showed me nothing to make me think he's gonna challenge Caver for minutes.