(12-05-2016 11:50 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 10:24 AM)Bear Wrote:  8 team playoff

5 top teams (have to win conf champs); 2 wild card slots (top ranked teams & can also be G5); 1 spot for the G5 access

And then seeding is set accordingly (standard playoff)

From a fan perspective I'd like to see this but I don't think a student athlete could handle that.

Uhhh..... how do they handle it in FCS? Or DII? or DIII? Where they have a 24 or more team playoff every year in those leagues?

(12-05-2016 02:30 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Its going to take a long time to break the bowl system's grip on college football. 8 is the number you push for now so that the bowls survive. I personally could not care less if there was never another bowl game played ever but they hold too much sway at the moment. So go to 8 as it is described and hopefully the NCAA takes the reigns at some point and stops giving away money for no reason.

I love the bowl game system. I like that about half of the teams get to have those extra weeks of practice and an extra game to keep momentum going for the next year. It gives the little guys an extra incentive to just make it to bowl eligibility instead of just quitting because they think they will never be able to make the top 16. Can you imagine how depressing that would be? To look up at the beginning of the season as ... IDK.... Arkansas State, and think, "MAN... We gotta get in the top 16 to have a chance at saying we were any good this year."

(12-05-2016 02:50 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 02:30 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Its going to take a long time to break the bowl system's grip on college football. 8 is the number you push for now so that the bowls survive. I personally could not care less if there was never another bowl game played ever but they hold too much sway at the moment. So go to 8 as it is described and hopefully the NCAA takes the reigns at some point and stops giving away money for no reason.

I love the bowl game system. I like that about half of the teams get to have those extra weeks of practice and an extra game to keep momentum going for the next year. It gives the little guys an extra incentive to just make it to bowl eligibility instead of just quitting because they think they will never be able to make the top 16. Can you imagine how depressing that would be? To look up at the beginning of the season as ... IDK.... Arkansas State, and think, "MAN... We gotta get in the top 16 to have a chance at saying we were any good this year."

HAHA

(12-05-2016 09:03 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 08:03 AM)First Mate Wrote:  I prefer 16 teams, 10 conf champs plus 6 wild cards but I'd take this if they gave an automatic bid to the best team from the G5

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/co...6e6b196cda

I agree. All FBS conferences should be included. The P5 will still get multiple teams in.

First Round:

1-Alabama
16- App State

2-Clemson
15-WKU

3-OSU
14-SDSU

4-Wash.
13-Temple

5-Penn St.
12-W. Mich

6-Michigan
11-FSU

7-OU
10-Colorado

8-Wis
9-USC

It won't work like this. Conferences are designed for the current rules. If you have 16 teams for a playoff, conferences, like the ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Pac 12, and Big XII, will find a way to take advantage of the new system. The conferences may divide their football conferences to take advantage of the rules.

With 16 teams, the tournament may look like this...

Alabama, Florida, Washington, Colorado, Southern Cal, Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Louisville. Oklahoma, West Virginia, South Florida, Western Michigan.

1. Alabama- 16.Southern Cal
2. Clemson- 15. South Florida
3. Ohio State 14. West Virginia
4. Washington 13. Louisville
5. Michigan 12. Western Michigan
6. Penn State 11. Virginia Tech
7. Florida 10. Colorado
8. Wisconsin 9. Oklahoma

(12-05-2016 03:24 PM)chess Wrote:  It won't work like this. Conferences are designed for the current rules. If you have 16 teams for a playoff, conferences, like the ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Pac 12, and Big XII, will find a way to take advantage of the new system. The conferences may divide their football conferences to take advantage of the rules.

With 16 teams, the tournament may look like this...

Alabama, Florida, Washington, Colorado, Southern Cal, Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Louisville. Oklahoma, West Virginia, South Florida, Western Michigan.

1. Alabama- 16.Southern Cal
2. Clemson- 15. South Florida
3. Ohio State 14. West Virginia
4. Washington 13. Louisville
5. Michigan 12. Western Michigan
6. Penn State 11. Virginia Tech
7. Florida 10. Colorado
8. Wisconsin 9. Oklahoma

Why is Florida a 7 seed!?

It took a long time to get to four but eventually it will get to 8 because every year at least one P5 conference gets shut out. But it won't happen right away.
I do agree that the AAC needs to look into expanding IF it gets the new conference at least 8 million per team and can get the champion of the league a yearly landing spot in one of the NY6 bowls. Become a P5 light.

(12-05-2016 02:01 PM)Bear Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 11:50 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 10:24 AM)Bear Wrote:  8 team playoff

5 top teams (have to win conf champs); 2 wild card slots (top ranked teams & can also be G5); 1 spot for the G5 access

And then seeding is set accordingly (standard playoff)

From a fan perspective I'd like to see this but I don't think a student athlete could handle that.

That's only ONE extra game. In fact, cancel the east-west shrine game...

It's not. The championship game makes 13 games. Round 1 = 14, semifinal 15, final 16. This makes it like an NFL season for kids who aren't getting compensated. They're cutting deep into schools and the schedule could run well into the spring semester. Also, if you ask current fbs coaches that came from fcs they say how the kids limp into the offseason. That's a lot of games and a lot of practices which could potentially shorten the NFL career of players with the amount of physical trauma they'll experience.

I know you didn't ask why, I just figured I'd put my counter argument here.

I like 8 with 5 champions 2 at larges and a Auto G5. I would add this as well to add conference pride.

Top five conference based on average conference BCS ranking gets a auto birth. Then 2 wild cards and a auto G5 spot.

Another option would be 12 with a wildcard round

Top four conference champions get a bye

The next 2 conference champions get a auto wild card birth

1 G5 guarantee after that, and finally 5 wild card births. Seeding based on ranking with home games in first two rounds at the higher ranked school. Semi's and Finals at neutral locations.

(12-05-2016 11:19 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 10:58 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 09:48 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 08:35 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  No matter how much they expand by there will still only be one spot for the "g5". This is why I believe that there seemed to be a concerted effort to under rank the AAC this year(although once Navy lost suddenly all the talking heads raved about our strength). If the AAC kept getting the slot they knew there would've been an effort to give the American and auto bid. To all of those bleeding heart people that wanted to see Lil Ole WMU get the access bowl bid because of an over inflated record, The AAC is in a race to climb as close to the p5 as possible before the next wave of changes occur because the next few changes, I think may leave us stuck perception wise to the g5

I don't think this can end up being a negative for the AAC. If WMU gets blown out, the last 4 years looks like this: AAC win, Boise win, AAC win, non-AAC crushed. Makes a case that the AAC and Boise are a separate level from the rest of the G4. If the AAC were to add Boise, then it's tough to argue against the AAC getting an autobid in an 8 team playoff.

If WMU wins, then you have 4 straight years where the "G5" has won a major bowl game. You can't expand the playoff without including an autobid for the G5.

Inclusion is all we're looking for. Once AAC schools have a shot at a national championship, it evens the recruiting playing field. Sure the Alabama's, Michigan's, etc will be on another level, but we'd at least have a shot each year like the rest of the P5s.

I totally agree

I was against it but I think Boise St and the American have to both do what's in the best interest of both parties and create a conference that is undeniably the 6th strongest conference. I believe if we come together with boise and publicly state that 14 is our max number for teams and offer sdsu and byu, that may be enough pressure to force byu to come on board to create a legitimate p6 conference while forcing a new contract negotiation not a renegotiation

this

I think Boise isn't the school you want...you want BYU they are better long term player than Boise in my opinion.

Top 8 teams based on winning percentage with some kind of multiple of SOS to be agreed upon. So a 12-1 AAC with a reasonably strong SOS gets based on merit. A 13-0 WMU still might get in based on an extremely weak SOS. Earn it on the field. Problem solved.

(12-05-2016 04:13 PM)Bear Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 03:24 PM)chess Wrote:  It won't work like this. Conferences are designed for the current rules. If you have 16 teams for a playoff, conferences, like the ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Pac 12, and Big XII, will find a way to take advantage of the new system. The conferences may divide their football conferences to take advantage of the rules.

With 16 teams, the tournament may look like this...

Alabama, Florida, Washington, Colorado, Southern Cal, Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Louisville. Oklahoma, West Virginia, South Florida, Western Michigan.

1. Alabama- 16.Southern Cal
2. Clemson- 15. South Florida
3. Ohio State 14. West Virginia
4. Washington 13. Louisville
5. Michigan 12. Western Michigan
6. Penn State 11. Virginia Tech
7. Florida 10. Colorado
8. Wisconsin 9. Oklahoma

Why is Florida a 7 seed!?

I am only human. I had to line them up and quickly. I have work to do.

(12-05-2016 09:55 AM)PT_american Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 08:03 AM)First Mate Wrote:  I prefer 16 teams, 10 conf champs plus 6 wild cards but I'd take this if they gave an automatic bid to the best team from the G5

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/co...6e6b196cda

I honestly think 16 is too much and would prefer 8. I do think it needs to be inclusively of at least 1 G5. Of course they would always be the 8 seed pitted against the strongest team so the odds would be stacked against them. But at least they would be included. The 16 with all 10 champs while inclusive would simple result in watching a lot of blow outs in my opinion.

I'm sure we would like an autobid for G5, but my guess is with how much is at stake that the CFP committee would argue (and perhaps rightly so) that if the playoff goes to 8, then the committee will be selecting the top 8. It would be the rare year when a G5 even qualifies.

(12-05-2016 10:24 AM)Bear Wrote:  8 team playoff

5 top teams (have to win conf champs); 2 wild card slots (top ranked teams & can also be G5); 1 spot for the G5 access

And then seeding is set accordingly (standard playoff)

This is the best way going forward. I think it'll be good for the sport.

They need to expand the playoff and one slot is for the best G5 (and the G5 can also send another team to a second slot if certain criteria are met).

This way, in theory at least, EVERY FBS team has a *chance* at a national title. It's NEVER been this way in major college football and it sucks. College basketball is great because in theory, ANY team in Div 1 COULD win a national title (win your conference tourney and then win the ncaa)...at least its possible in theory. Not so right now in college football. Not really.

(12-06-2016 05:47 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  They need to expand the playoff and one slot is for the best G5 (and the G5 can also send another team to a second slot if certain criteria are met).

This way, in theory at least, EVERY FBS team has a *chance* at a national title. It's NEVER been this way in major college football and it sucks. College basketball is great because in theory, ANY team in Div 1 COULD win a national title (win your conference tourney and then win the ncaa)...at least its possible in theory. Not so right now in college football. Not really.

Agree. There MUST be an auto bid for highest ranked G5 champion. The G5 conference commissioners and presidents must band together for this.

(12-06-2016 07:49 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 05:47 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  They need to expand the playoff and one slot is for the best G5 (and the G5 can also send another team to a second slot if certain criteria are met).

This way, in theory at least, EVERY FBS team has a *chance* at a national title. It's NEVER been this way in major college football and it sucks. College basketball is great because in theory, ANY team in Div 1 COULD win a national title (win your conference tourney and then win the ncaa)...at least its possible in theory. Not so right now in college football. Not really.

Agree. There MUST be an auto bid for highest ranked G5 champion. The G5 conference commissioners and presidents must band together for this.

There is no "must"...as the P5 Conferences control everything about the Final Four.

Remember, these are not NCAA Sanctioned/Run events...hence why you don't see "NCAA" on the Championship Trophy either.

Whatever P5's want...P5's will get...and odds are it will stay the Final Four for the next 12 years till their TV deal is done.