Summers has an excellent resume on the defensive side of the ball. He will land a nice job once he's booted from the Boro. He wasn't ready to be HC. If he has ambitions to be HC in the future he needs to step away and become assistant HC over a strong HC for a few yrs. His networking needs to improve as well. Build some contacts on the offensive side of the ball.

I think Ellison, Breida and BJ should get a red shirt this year for having to play under Summers.

Apparently both Atl Sports radio stations had mentions of the possibility yesterday as well, with one of them not correcting a caller who stated that Summers was fired. Lots of smoke, and again it's not just on-the-field stuff that has the GS fanbase up in arms.

And the comparisons to Satterfield and Fleck need to stop, they are very dissimilar situations. The lowliest person on Fritz's staff could have stayed here, kept the system in place and went 6-6. Instead we are 4-8, have regressed in virtually every statistical category, have no game-planning, no adjustments, no game-to-game improvement, poor media and fan relations, and the team on the verge of revolt to hear some tell it. If they keep this clown show for another year, I will not be surprised to see the Eagles go 0-12 next year, New Hampshire is not a pushover FCS game and any home field advantage will be nullified by poor attendance.

(11-30-2016 09:56 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Apparently both Atl Sports radio stations had mentions of the possibility yesterday as well, with one of them not correcting a caller who stated that Summers was fired. Lots of smoke, and again it's not just on-the-field stuff that has the GS fanbase up in arms.

And the comparisons to Satterfield and Fleck need to stop, they are very dissimilar situations. The lowliest person on Fritz's staff could have stayed here, kept the system in place and went 6-6. Instead we are 4-8, have regressed in virtually every statistical category, have no game-planning, no adjustments, no game-to-game improvement, poor media and fan relations, and the team on the verge of revolt to hear some tell it. If they keep this clown show for another year, I will not be surprised to see the Eagles go 0-12 next year, New Hampshire is not a pushover FCS game and any home field advantage will be nullified by poor attendance.

New Hampshire will defeat us next season with this staff. I have zero confidence that Summers can establish a game plan vs UNH.

UNH has defeated big schools in the past. They are not intimidated by Southern.

(11-29-2016 10:11 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Having seen anywhere where WTOC has said this...just looks like one person on Twitter who isn't even a journalist rumor-mongering.

ATL sports talk radio was talking about it as well. They did clarify it was lesser know websites that were speculating. It was basically a wonderful 5-10 min recap of all the crap that happened this year for 10 of thousands of people to hear in the ATL.

Good times....

(11-30-2016 07:53 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  You call Chadwell right now and gauge his interest. If he says no, hang up and keep Summers. If he says he is interested, offer him the job on the spot, hang up and pack Summers boxes for him and leave them sitting for him outside of his office. I believe that is how you handle this.

I love watching that offense. I could only imagine if he had a KE type runner at QB and KE could at least hit wide open WR even if it was under thrown most of the time. Watched the Citadel playoff game from last year yesterday on Youtube. That should have been a CSU blowout they missed about four or five wide open WR's that likely would have scored or got them in close FG range. Watching the Citadel run the under center option is was clear CSU's shotgun spread option has much more potential for explosive plays than the under center triple / flex option. I would take either thought right now over this DIV II / High School crap we have.

Summers needs to go. He has no intention of keeping the triple option and will be doing away with Southern football history and likely it's every season competitiveness as it is known today.

(11-30-2016 10:27 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Summers needs to go. He has no intention of keeping the triple option and will be doing away with Southern football history and likely it's every season competitiveness as it is known today.

He had genuine intention of keeping the option. We couldn't afford to hire the coordinators he wanted to do it. The coordinators he ended up hiring tried and failed miserably because it's not their style of offense.

(11-30-2016 10:28 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:27 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Summers needs to go. He has no intention of keeping the triple option and will be doing away with Southern football history and likely it's every season competitiveness as it is known today.

He had genuine intention of keeping the option. We couldn't afford to hire the coordinators he wanted to do it. The coordinators he ended up hiring tried and failed miserably because it's not their style of offense.

Summers should have evaluated this prior to employment. He should have more contacts for plan "B" "C" etc.

He didn't have these contacts because he wasn't prepared to be a HC. I understand opportunities like this don't open up often for college football coaches (being near your home town). I'm sure Summers wanted to raise his children and family close to home while living the dream of being a HC. Unfortunately he jumped on the plane with out all the equipment and knowledge to fly.

Summers seems like a nice guy and would have fit nicely as a DC at Southern. Unfortunately now he has lost that opportunity for future employment with the University.

(11-30-2016 10:28 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:27 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Summers needs to go. He has no intention of keeping the triple option and will be doing away with Southern football history and likely it's every season competitiveness as it is known today.

He had genuine intention of keeping the option. We couldn't afford to hire the coordinators he wanted to do it. The coordinators he ended up hiring tried and failed miserably because it's not their style of offense.

The first variations of the shotgun spread option is what they are running. Reminds me of App's offense from 2005-2007 with Edwards, except you have a walk-on QB running it with no game plan to speak of (I know Shuman isn't a walk on)

(11-30-2016 10:37 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:28 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:27 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Summers needs to go. He has no intention of keeping the triple option and will be doing away with Southern football history and likely it's every season competitiveness as it is known today.

He had genuine intention of keeping the option. We couldn't afford to hire the coordinators he wanted to do it. The coordinators he ended up hiring tried and failed miserably because it's not their style of offense.

Summers should have evaluated this prior to employment. He should have more contacts for plan "B" "C" etc.

He didn't have these contacts because he wasn't prepared to be a HC. I understand opportunities like this don't open up often for college football coaches (being near your home town). I'm sure Summers wanted to raise his children and family close to home while living the dream of being a HC. Unfortunately he jumped on the plane with out all the equipment and knowledge to fly.

Summers seems like a nice guy and would have fit nicely as a DC at Southern. Unfortunately now he has lost that opportunity for future employment with the University.

I don't disagree. I'm just de-bunking the rumor that he had no intentions of running the option.

I know GS has a proud tradition, but some of the things I saw on Twitter yesterday were fairly brutal. Not just about the coach but about his family too. Perhaps it is Van Gorder deja vu but there is a lot of hate emanating from some in the fanbase.

(11-30-2016 10:40 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  I know GS has a proud tradition, but some of the things I saw on Twitter yesterday were fairly brutal. Not just about the coach but about his family too. Perhaps it is Van Gorder deja vu but there is a lot of hate emanating from some in the fanbase.

Actually out of just the 20-25K that attend games it is not a lot. It is just out there for the world to see. A lot would be hundreds of tweets in a day based on the fan base size not a handful of dumb college students.

I have seen a lot about things that are true about the teams performance or coaches actions that are not nice but the truth is the truth. I have seen little in the way of straight personal attacks not pertaining directly to football.

(11-30-2016 10:40 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  I know GS has a proud tradition, but some of the things I saw on Twitter yesterday were fairly brutal. Not just about the coach but about his family too. Perhaps it is Van Gorder deja vu but there is a lot of hate emanating from some in the fanbase.

Fans can be brutal AState fans have said a lot of not nice things about Blake Anderson this year as well, but the reality is that anything you get at the G5 level is only magnified by 10 if that coach ever reached the P5 level.

(11-30-2016 10:28 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:27 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Summers needs to go. He has no intention of keeping the triple option and will be doing away with Southern football history and likely it's every season competitiveness as it is known today.

He had genuine intention of keeping the option. We couldn't afford to hire the coordinators he wanted to do it. The coordinators he ended up hiring tried and failed miserably because it's not their style of offense.

Who were these coordinators? Seems a little crazy to think he was going to take a job not knowing the school was not going to hire the OC's he wanted. When he hired two non option coaches he had no real intent of running the option. The zone read crap was a waste of time especially with Shuman as I dont recall him ever keeping the ball. We saw with Shuman what these OC's wanted to run and it was horrible. KE was able to bail out plays with his feet and is the only reason we probably won any games this year.

(11-30-2016 10:54 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:40 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  I know GS has a proud tradition, but some of the things I saw on Twitter yesterday were fairly brutal. Not just about the coach but about his family too. Perhaps it is Van Gorder deja vu but there is a lot of hate emanating from some in the fanbase.

Fans can be brutal AState fans have said a lot of not nice things about Blake Anderson this year as well, but the reality is that anything you get at the G5 level is only magnified by 10 if that coach ever reached the P5 level.

I know plenty of hard core AL fans....The stuff Shula endured in an hour towards the end makes this look like kid stuff. Imagine if twitter and facebook was a thing back then. I already feel sorry for the next coach at AL.

(11-30-2016 10:54 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:28 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:27 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Summers needs to go. He has no intention of keeping the triple option and will be doing away with Southern football history and likely it's every season competitiveness as it is known today.

He had genuine intention of keeping the option. We couldn't afford to hire the coordinators he wanted to do it. The coordinators he ended up hiring tried and failed miserably because it's not their style of offense.

Who were these coordinators? Seems a little crazy to think he was going to take a job not knowing the school was not going to hire the OC's he wanted. When he hired two non option coaches he had no real intent of running the option. The zone read crap was a waste of time especially with Shuman as I dont recall him ever keeping the ball. We saw with Shuman what these OC's wanted to run and it was horrible. KE was able to bail out plays with his feet and is the only reason we probably won any games this year.

Or the coordinators he offered jobs to wanted more money than we could offer them. It's not crazy. Shuman not keeping the ball had more to do with Shuman than it did what he was being taught in practice.

We saw with Shuman what the OC's HAD to run because our #1 and #2 QB's were injured and we had no real working running game. They also had an inability to coach the OL properly.

(11-30-2016 11:02 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:54 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:28 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:27 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Summers needs to go. He has no intention of keeping the triple option and will be doing away with Southern football history and likely it's every season competitiveness as it is known today.

He had genuine intention of keeping the option. We couldn't afford to hire the coordinators he wanted to do it. The coordinators he ended up hiring tried and failed miserably because it's not their style of offense.

Who were these coordinators? Seems a little crazy to think he was going to take a job not knowing the school was not going to hire the OC's he wanted. When he hired two non option coaches he had no real intent of running the option. The zone read crap was a waste of time especially with Shuman as I dont recall him ever keeping the ball. We saw with Shuman what these OC's wanted to run and it was horrible. KE was able to bail out plays with his feet and is the only reason we probably won any games this year.

Or the coordinators he offered jobs to wanted more money than we could offer them. It's not crazy. Shuman not keeping the ball had more to do with Shuman than it did what he was being taught in practice.

We saw with Shuman what the OC's HAD to run because our #1 and #2 QB's were injured and we had no real working running game. They also had an inability to coach the OL properly.

This is reason #1 for our troubles this year. We pretty much had the best OL in the SBC for the past two seasons and our new OL coach and OC's simply destroyed that. Our running game was averaging 350 yards per game because we had holes big enough to drive a truck through but this year all our backs did was run into the backs of our OL.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Shuman was a LATE add in recruiting. Why was Shuman recruited (by this staff specifically) if he can't run the style option as we did in 2014 and 2015?

These OC and Summers had no long term intentions to run the option. They knew with Senior QB's that they had to continue some aspects of the option, but 2017 season would be transformed into something closer to Air Raid than the option.

I'm done with this coaching staff and their lies. Summers is taking a strong program (with momentum) and making us average to weak!

(11-30-2016 10:56 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:54 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 10:40 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  I know GS has a proud tradition, but some of the things I saw on Twitter yesterday were fairly brutal. Not just about the coach but about his family too. Perhaps it is Van Gorder deja vu but there is a lot of hate emanating from some in the fanbase.

Fans can be brutal AState fans have said a lot of not nice things about Blake Anderson this year as well, but the reality is that anything you get at the G5 level is only magnified by 10 if that coach ever reached the P5 level.

I know plenty of hard core AL fans....The stuff Shula endured in an hour towards the end makes this look like kid stuff. Imagine if twitter and facebook was a thing back then. I already feel sorry for the next coach at AL.

Speaking of the incapable and incomparable Mike Shula, he will be fired by the end of this season. Five years of him and Rivera collectively has been enough.