Sugarcoat things however, but the MAC looks pretty bad this year a crossed the board.

Sorry MAC brethren. Toledo lost a lead late at home against Green Bay, went to OT, and lost by 1. Several things went wrong for us down the stretch & in overtime. Drops us to 3-5, but 4 of our games have gone to OT (have to be leading the country at this point). Hopefully we can take care of business on Wednesday when we host Detroit, who's 1-7 with their only win coming against DIII Adrian College.

Toledo is either headed for a pretty down season or we will end up being one of those teams nobody wants to play in late February/March...

Bowling Green playing down in Cinci against UC tonight.

Bearcats are 4-0 at home. 6-1 overall

(12-01-2016 10:35 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  The MAC is a combined 1-13 vs. RPI Top 100 teams (Akron over #84 Mercer). I'm not picking on OU as their loss to Marshall certainly wasn't as bad as Akron's loss to YSU, but that's a game the MAC needs to win to gain credibility.

Edit: Hell we are also 9-17 vs. teams RPI 100-200 for a combined 10-30 vs. RPI top 200 teams. The MAC looks terrible this year.

MAC top 100 RPI wins as of 12/4:
- 79 Sam Houston St(3-3) vs Ohio

that's it.

(11-27-2016 07:28 PM)OUBobcat9092 Wrote:  7 Good games for the MAC this week

Buffalo @ #12 Creighton
Ohio @ Marshall
UNC Wilmington @ Western Michigan
Miami (OH) @ Fort Wayne
Buffalo @ St Bonaventure
Akron @ #12 Creighton
Bowling Green @ Cincinnati - 8 PM (ESPNU)

Prediction: 10-9 overall record for the week

9-10 on the week. Missed by one.

(12-04-2016 08:19 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(12-01-2016 10:35 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  The MAC is a combined 1-13 vs. RPI Top 100 teams (Akron over #84 Mercer). I'm not picking on OU as their loss to Marshall certainly wasn't as bad as Akron's loss to YSU, but that's a game the MAC needs to win to gain credibility.

Edit: Hell we are also 9-17 vs. teams RPI 100-200 for a combined 10-30 vs. RPI top 200 teams. The MAC looks terrible this year.

MAC top 100 RPI wins as of 12/4:
- 79 Sam Houston St(3-3) vs Ohio

that's it.

To be fair, I'd be more interested in our record vs. top 100. At first glance, I don't think we've played all that many top 100 teams at this point (although I have a feeling there are a few wins out there that will be top 100 wins once the dust settles). It seems like most of the games we've had have been against teams outside of the top 100, or top 25 teams which is a whole different animal.

(12-05-2016 11:38 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(12-04-2016 08:19 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(12-01-2016 10:35 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  The MAC is a combined 1-13 vs. RPI Top 100 teams (Akron over #84 Mercer). I'm not picking on OU as their loss to Marshall certainly wasn't as bad as Akron's loss to YSU, but that's a game the MAC needs to win to gain credibility.

Edit: Hell we are also 9-17 vs. teams RPI 100-200 for a combined 10-30 vs. RPI top 200 teams. The MAC looks terrible this year.

MAC top 100 RPI wins as of 12/4:
- 79 Sam Houston St(3-3) vs Ohio

that's it.

To be fair, I'd be more interested in our record vs. top 100. At first glance, I don't think we've played all that many top 100 teams at this point (although I have a feeling there are a few wins out there that will be top 100 wins once the dust settles). It seems like most of the games we've had have been against teams outside of the top 100, or top 25 teams which is a whole different animal.

(12-05-2016 11:48 AM)axeme Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 11:38 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(12-04-2016 08:19 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(12-01-2016 10:35 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  The MAC is a combined 1-13 vs. RPI Top 100 teams (Akron over #84 Mercer). I'm not picking on OU as their loss to Marshall certainly wasn't as bad as Akron's loss to YSU, but that's a game the MAC needs to win to gain credibility.

Edit: Hell we are also 9-17 vs. teams RPI 100-200 for a combined 10-30 vs. RPI top 200 teams. The MAC looks terrible this year.

MAC top 100 RPI wins as of 12/4:
- 79 Sam Houston St(3-3) vs Ohio

that's it.

To be fair, I'd be more interested in our record vs. top 100. At first glance, I don't think we've played all that many top 100 teams at this point (although I have a feeling there are a few wins out there that will be top 100 wins once the dust settles). It seems like most of the games we've had have been against teams outside of the top 100, or top 25 teams which is a whole different animal.

We are now 1-18 vs RPI top 100 and 11-37 vs RPI top 200 so it's only gotten worse.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...conference

Move to stop using RPI as our meaningful metric. Secondary motion: Use Pomeroy rankings.

(12-05-2016 02:29 PM)JSF Wrote:  Move to stop using RPI as our meaningful metric. Secondary motion: Use Pomeroy rankings.

I agree Pomeroy is a vastly better metric. Unfortunately, it requires a lot more data mining (time) to compile conference wide statistics as there is no website (unless you are a paid kenpom user) that breaks it out nicely. CBSSports does all the work for me in regards to that for RPI.

Either way I'd argue there would be significant overlap between the RPI top 200 and Kenpom 200. The way the teams are ordered might differ greatly, but I'd bet a very high % of the teams in the RPI top 200 are located somewhere in the Kenpom top 200.

KenPom Rankings:

86 - EMU
90 - Akron
93 - Ohio
118 - Buffalo
139 - CMU
148 - Toledo
159 - NIU
178 - Ball St
188 - Kent St
193 - WMU
212- BG
302 - Miami

It appears like we're gonna be limited to a few "Kitchen Sink" post-season tourneys again this year. One auto NCAA and one NIT, if it's an auto.

With the lack of good wins it is surprising that Ken Pom has our teams rated this high. Only two teams out of the top 200?

Yea I thought we'd be lower by now.

For what it's worth, the KenPom rankings will still have some data from last year until "73 days from the start of the season. This season that is January 23rd."

https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/80...7907723264

Kind of surprising to see EMU leading the charge when they have 2 non-D1 wins in their 5-3 record. They did play Pitt tough, kudos to them.

(12-06-2016 01:07 PM)george14 Wrote:  Kind of surprising to see EMU leading the charge when they have 2 non-D1 wins in their 5-3 record. They did play Pitt tough, kudos to them.

AS OTHERS HAVE SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE ... non D1s do not count in the ratings. .. In the eyes of the RPI EMU is 3-3.

First RPI ratings out by the NCAA:
56 - Ohio
86 - Buffalo
89 - Akron
110 - Toledo
146 - CMU
174 - EMU
254 - BG
274 - WMU
276 - NIU
292 - Kent St
300 - Ball State
312 - Miami

(12-06-2016 02:10 PM)BullBoy Wrote:  First RPI ratings out by the NCAA:
56 - Ohio
86 - Buffalo
89 - Akron
110 - Toledo
146 - CMU
174 - EMU
254 - BG
274 - WMU
276 - NIU
292 - Kent St
300 - Ball State
312 - Miami

i like this one a lot better! :-)

(12-06-2016 02:49 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 02:10 PM)BullBoy Wrote:  First RPI ratings out by the NCAA:
56 - Ohio
86 - Buffalo
89 - Akron
110 - Toledo
146 - CMU
174 - EMU
254 - BG
274 - WMU
276 - NIU
292 - Kent St
300 - Ball State
312 - Miami

i like this one a lot better! :-)

This definitely gives credit to Strength of Schedule.. No doubt about that