(11-22-2016 06:04 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 05:49 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 05:10 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  eh....time again all i see is that cheating does in fact pay in college sports

so what, banners comd down, the check is already cashed at that point



UNC
MiamiFL
USC

and the list goes on

they are none for the worse

Exactly. The games have already been played and proven on the field. Who cares about taking down a damn banner. That is what this type of punishment amounts to, nothing more.

ND made a couple athletic department advertisements when they became #1 in all time football win percentage surpassing Michigan. Now they would lose 21 wins off their overall record but be forced to keep the 5 losses on their record...I heard on the radio it knocks them down to 3rd or 4th place overall. If the losses mean nothing to ADs / Former Players / Alumni, why did Penn State fight for Jo Pa's wins back?

This.

Does Notre Dame have to give back their big BCS check?

NCAA punishments in general are a complete joke.

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(11-22-2016 11:43 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Does Notre Dame have to give back their big BCS check?

Nope

if they did you better believe schools would at least consider penalties before making the decision to cheat.

Right now the "vacate wins" deal is so lame, chuckle while cheating.

If you ain't cheating you ain't trying.

"Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat."

Jesse "The Body" Ventura

(11-22-2016 06:04 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  ND made a couple athletic department advertisements when they became #1 in all time football win percentage surpassing Michigan. Now they would lose 21 wins off their overall record but be forced to keep the 5 losses on their record...I heard on the radio it knocks them down to 3rd or 4th place overall. If the losses mean nothing to ADs / Former Players / Alumni, why did Penn State fight for Jo Pa's wins back?

Penn State ---- the institution (individual alums are a different story, of course) --- did not "fight for JoePa's wins back."

In fact, the institution was credited by George Mitchell in his reports to the NCAA, in terms of (a) abiding by the consent decree, (b) not entering into the various lawsuits other parties (Jake Corman, the Paterno family) filed against the NCAA, and © not arguing against the NCAA penalties at any point in the process.

Again, I can't and won't defend some individual alums and the likes of Jay Paterno. But I thought the post-July 2012 PSU administration has done --- on the whole (there have been some missteps, I'm talking about the aggregate) --- a good job.