(11-20-2016 11:22 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  He won't win it, but Brad Lambert at Charlotte should get some consideration. Not only were they considered the consensus worst team in the conference, I think a lot of us were expecting at best a 2-3 win season -- and that's before they lost to Eastern Michigan, which I'm guessing a lot of us had as one of their wins. But after their loss to ODU, they've either win or been competitive in every game, and they were legitimately in the bowl discussion until yesterday. That's worthy of being noted.

Sign that the 49ers need better online presence: when I googled "Charlotte lambert", the first result was a YouTube video of Miranda Lambert at her Charlotte concert, and the next two were Twitter pages, one of which was an international Playboy Playmate named Charlotte Lambert.

I would like to know why you don't think Wilder will win it? As far as Charlotte goes, yes most people thought 2 or 3 wins, they're 4-7 and are not going to a bowl. No one has exceeded expectations more than ODU. No one. And actually back in 2012 the vast majority on this board thought it would be a decade before ODU and Charlotte would win a single game in this conference.

(11-20-2016 11:32 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 11:22 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  He won't win it, but Brad Lambert at Charlotte should get some consideration. Not only were they considered the consensus worst team in the conference, I think a lot of us were expecting at best a 2-3 win season -- and that's before they lost to Eastern Michigan, which I'm guessing a lot of us had as one of their wins. But after their loss to ODU, they've either win or been competitive in every game, and they were legitimately in the bowl discussion until yesterday. That's worthy of being noted.

Sign that the 49ers need better online presence: when I googled "Charlotte lambert", the first result was a YouTube video of Miranda Lambert at her Charlotte concert, and the next two were Twitter pages, one of which was an international Playboy Playmate named Charlotte Lambert.

I would like to know why you don't think Wilder will win it? As far as Charlotte goes, yes most people thought 2 or 3 wins, they're 4-7 and are not going to a bowl. No one has exceeded expectations more than ODU. No one. And actually back in 2012 the vast majority on this board thought it would be a decade before ODU and Charlotte would win a single game in this conference.

UNTS coach definitely deserves consideration as well. They won 1? Game last year. If they beat UTEP next week they will be 6-6 and going to a bowl. No one in the offseason thought that was a possibility.

I would go:

Brohm
Wilder
Lambert
Holtz
Wilson

(11-20-2016 11:11 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 11:08 AM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  Why why why this **** again?

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Stop being so friggen nice. Stand up for yourselves. Wheres Heywood? Calling Heywood, we need you buddy.

It's not being nice; it's being rational.

PLEASE assure me, Old Blue, that you don't seriously care one bit about the posts of the imbecile Dawgxas?

(11-20-2016 11:37 AM)benny_t Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 11:32 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 11:22 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  He won't win it, but Brad Lambert at Charlotte should get some consideration. Not only were they considered the consensus worst team in the conference, I think a lot of us were expecting at best a 2-3 win season -- and that's before they lost to Eastern Michigan, which I'm guessing a lot of us had as one of their wins. But after their loss to ODU, they've either win or been competitive in every game, and they were legitimately in the bowl discussion until yesterday. That's worthy of being noted.

Sign that the 49ers need better online presence: when I googled "Charlotte lambert", the first result was a YouTube video of Miranda Lambert at her Charlotte concert, and the next two were Twitter pages, one of which was an international Playboy Playmate named Charlotte Lambert.

I would like to know why you don't think Wilder will win it? As far as Charlotte goes, yes most people thought 2 or 3 wins, they're 4-7 and are not going to a bowl. No one has exceeded expectations more than ODU. No one. And actually back in 2012 the vast majority on this board thought it would be a decade before ODU and Charlotte would win a single game in this conference.

UNTS coach definitely deserves consideration as well. They won 1? Game last year. If they beat UTEP next week they will be 6-6 and going to a bowl. No one in the offseason thought that was a possibility.

Sure they will get consideration, UNT that is. With the conference headquarters being located in Dallas they'll probably win it. Just like the CAA headquarters was located in Richmond and the BB tournament was always held there. See how that works?

(11-20-2016 11:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I would go:

Brohm
Wilder
Lambert
Holtz
Wilson

A lot of speculation here on who the COY may be, does anyone know what the criteria is for the COY? Just Asking, I don't know if there is any criteria and if there is, what are the qualifications. Do the qualifications change yearly, etc..etc...

These folks we are throwing into the pot as candidates may or may not qualify if there are set rules and criteria for selection. There is a lot of argument for several of them, but it's just argument if don't know how the process works or if there is one.

(11-20-2016 11:49 AM)Bhaddawgy Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 11:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I would go:

Brohm
Wilder
Lambert
Holtz
Wilson

A lot of speculation here on who the COY may be, does anyone know what the criteria is for the COY? Just Asking, I don't know if there is any criteria and if there is, what are the qualifications. Do the qualifications change yearly, etc..etc...

These folks we are throwing into the pot as candidates may or may not qualify if there are set rules and criteria for selection. There is a lot of argument for several of them, but it's just argument if don't know how the process works or if there is one.

Good points. I think it should go to the coach that is considered to "overachieve." That can still be a coach like WKY that completely dominated most of the schedule and is pushing a top 25 ranking. But, coaches like Wilder and Lambert far exceed expectations as well.

It typically goes to the coach that exceeds expectations the most. It isn't the "Best Coach in C-USA" award. I'd vote for either Charlotte or UNT.

UNT picked 6th and currently tied for third. ODU picked 6th and currently tied for first? What's being irrational about that? Again, Heywood I need help buddy.....Come back....Please.

(11-20-2016 12:01 PM)freshtop Wrote:  It typically goes to the coach that exceeds expectations the most. It isn't the "Best Coach in C-USA" award. I'd vote for either Charlotte or UNT.

"Typically".....
That kind of leads me to believe there may not be any criteria and it's just going to be the voters expressing the feelings about who they think did the best with what they had, maybe came the fartherest up, played the closest with the P5 schools, won the most, went through the most adversity, etc...

This all may just boil down to how the voter feels when it comes time to cast his vote, is he having a good day or not, did someone p*$$ him off during the year, almost sounds more like a popularity contest instead of COY.

What basis was ODU picked 6th on anyway? I wouldve guessed 4th, behind WKU, MTSU, and Marshall.

(11-20-2016 12:25 PM)Doots4Dawgs Wrote:  What basis was ODU picked 6th on anyway? I wouldve guessed 4th, behind WKU, MTSU, and Marshall.

Because the conference doesn't like us. Can you imagine being an AD or coach of certain CUSA schools, and big donors come to you asking "Why do we finish so poorly year after year, look at ODU they started football in 2009 and moved to FBS 3 years ago". That's a tough one for an AD or Coach to answer. So they lash-out in frustration. It's actually pretty sad.

(11-20-2016 12:25 PM)Doots4Dawgs Wrote:  What basis was ODU picked 6th on anyway? I wouldve guessed 4th, behind WKU, MTSU, and Marshall.

Most of the beat reporters probably just copied last year's standings and moved us behind FAU since they won the head to head in 2015.

(11-20-2016 12:25 PM)Doots4Dawgs Wrote:  What basis was ODU picked 6th on anyway? I wouldve guessed 4th, behind WKU, MTSU, and Marshall.

That was WIlders point. It was like they completely ignored that we had everyone coming back.

The case for Holtz...

Lost 8 starters on defense. One was a first round NFL draft pick and 2 others are on NFL rosters.

Lost Kenneth Dixon (Ravens), Jeff Driskel (Bengals), and Paul Turner (Eagles) on offense.

This was supposed to be a rebuilding year with a QB who had really struggled at Tech in his career. That QB was developed to an elite-level QB (statistically) during his time at Tech.

This wasn't supposed to be a championship team, yet this team may be better than last year's team. The offensive stats are eye-popping and Holtz isn't really known to be this kind of offensive coach. It's the best offense he's ever had statistically.

(11-20-2016 11:32 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 11:22 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  He won't win it, but Brad Lambert at Charlotte should get some consideration. Not only were they considered the consensus worst team in the conference, I think a lot of us were expecting at best a 2-3 win season -- and that's before they lost to Eastern Michigan, which I'm guessing a lot of us had as one of their wins. But after their loss to ODU, they've either win or been competitive in every game, and they were legitimately in the bowl discussion until yesterday. That's worthy of being noted.

Sign that the 49ers need better online presence: when I googled "Charlotte lambert", the first result was a YouTube video of Miranda Lambert at her Charlotte concert, and the next two were Twitter pages, one of which was an international Playboy Playmate named Charlotte Lambert.

I would like to know why you don't think Wilder will win it? As far as Charlotte goes, yes most people thought 2 or 3 wins, they're 4-7 and are not going to a bowl. No one has exceeded expectations more than ODU. No one. And actually back in 2012 the vast majority on this board thought it would be a decade before ODU and Charlotte would win a single game in this conference.

Slow your roll, I never said anything about Wilder. I said the Charlotte coach was a longshot but one that deserves consideration. You could make a case that Charlotte would be the worst team in all of FBS this season, and while they're not going to a bowl, they're doing way better for themselves than anyone expected. While the coaches projection was for ODU to be sixth in the East, it wasn't hard to find prognosticators that had them fourth.

I absolutely think Wilder's in the conversation. I don't think he's a slam dunk like you do, but he's definitely one of the frontrunners.

There's a very good case to be made for any of these 5 coaches of the following schools...

UNCC
UNT
TECH
ODU
WESTERN


Western and Tech both won after losing their star offensive players. But if you don't give it to a coach that ran the table and the first one in the history of CUSA to do that and win a CUSA championship game. Then how do you give it to him with a 1 loss in conference team?

So to me it's down to 4 coaches and I think you have to remove UNCC next. While he's done a great job this year...they still only won 4 games. Probably 2 more than most people expected.

So now you are down to 3 coaches and all 3 did a great job this season and deserve it

Wilder has done a fine job, but I don't see how Holtz doesn't win. He lost a lot and they have a shot to win a title. It's not a most improved award, so I don't see the case for UNT, UTSA, or ODU

Think about it this way, if at the beginning of the school year a student is thought to be at best a D+ student, yet at the end of the year he is a B- student, does that make him the best student in the class?

This is all conjecture at this point, because unless someone enlightens me, we really do not know the process for choosing COY.

Logically, I think it would go like this

1. Which coach has the most wins this year?
2. Which coach had the most conference wins this year?
3. How close were the losses each coach had, if any?
4. For further evaluation of finalist, how well did coach do last year?
5. How many returning starters did coach have, how many did he lose?
6. Did coach's team win with a certain percentage of first and second year starters and RS Freshman?
7. Was there any adversity the coach and team had to overcome such as season ending injuries, suspensions, lack of scholarships available due to maybe NCAA violations from a past coach and he still did well?
8. Was this coaches first year?
9. Where was team predicted to finish, did they meet expectations
10. Where did coach finish last year?

Don't think it matters if this is your first year in FBS or your 100th, put your big boy pants on and there are no participation trophies, you either did an exceptional all around job no matter your budget or conditions or you did not, winners win.

correct, when you moved up does not matter...this is suppose to be a one year award.

As a homer I would choose Brohm with Holtz 1b

but if I had to base it off the unexpected best coaching job it would be Holtz because I think he had to replace a lot more than Western and any other of the coaches in the running.

After game one...I thought Tech had a shot to be where they are today. Going to that game I thought 3rd in the West. So I think if you have two coaches that over achieved based on what was expected coming into the season...

you go with the one in the drivers seat for a conference championship