(11-17-2016 09:40 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 06:58 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Too bad he wasn't allowed to play for last season

He's a longer version of Elliot Perry on defense

Won't ever be the shooter EP was but reminds me of him on d

We have a great defensive starting backcourt

Well, he wasn't a very good shooter and Tarrant started, so there's that.

He shouldn't have been benched in favor of a football player

That football player also caused Tarrant to be moved off the ball which was beyond stupid

(11-17-2016 08:56 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  there's a noticeable difference in the way these kids respond to Tubby over how they responded to Pastner. I'd take a whole stable of 2-3 star kids who are coachable and buy into a game plan over 4 star legends who are only interested in padding their stat columns.

It doesn't have to be an either/or.

If Memphis stocks the roster with 2 and 3 stars and the idea is that Tubby will "coach em up" then just look at his results at Minnesota and Tech to see how that will work.

That simple.

As far as tubby vs pastner goes, I'm cautiously optimistic.

However, a new broom always sweeps clean. Any change in coaching style was bound to be an improvement.

(11-17-2016 10:30 AM)UpperTiger Wrote:  Pastner would have been so much better if he only had 7 or 8 players to use. For example, his first team at Memphis achieved reasonable success compared to expectations because he had to play those guys. He had no other options. His worst coaching trait is how he uses his rotation (or lack thereof). When he had a deep roster (i.e. Kuran and Nick King as freshmen), he didn't know how to handle it. Of course, when he didn't have depth, he could often still find a way to screw it up, i.e., playing D'marnier Cunningham and Sam Craft over Pookie and J-Martin, respectively.

Regarding Markel, TV last night showed Tubby pull him aside as Markel was taken out of the game once. Tubby gave him a word of advice, and Markel was actively listening, nodding his head, and had a pep in his step as he went to sit down. That just hasn't been the case on our sideline in a very long time. It certainly wasn't the case with Markel last season.

I saw that first team much differently that you. The difference IMHO was that the players had been coached up by Cal and Pastner was not able to "unteach" that in just one year. Each year Pastner's teams got a little worse. The more that his "coaching" was drummed into the players, the worse the results got.

i am extremely happy with the play I see on the floor this year. Shows what some real coaching will do.

(11-17-2016 10:41 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 09:40 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 06:58 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Too bad he wasn't allowed to play for last season

He's a longer version of Elliot Perry on defense

Won't ever be the shooter EP was but reminds me of him on d

We have a great defensive starting backcourt

Well, he wasn't a very good shooter and Tarrant started, so there's that.

He shouldn't have been benched in favor of a football player

That football player also caused Tarrant to be moved off the ball which was beyond stupid

Agreed. The fact that pastner had no idea how to use personnel, none at all, is mind blowing to me.

(11-17-2016 09:19 AM)Hoots Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 08:56 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  there's a noticeable difference in the way these kids respond to Tubby over how they responded to Pastner. I'd take a whole stable of 2-3 star kids who are coachable and buy into a game plan over 4 star legends who are only interested in padding their stat columns.

YEP!!

I'll bet the 4 and 5 star players also respond much differently to Tubby.

(11-17-2016 10:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 08:56 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  there's a noticeable difference in the way these kids respond to Tubby over how they responded to Pastner. I'd take a whole stable of 2-3 star kids who are coachable and buy into a game plan over 4 star legends who are only interested in padding their stat columns.

It doesn't have to be an either/or.

If Memphis stocks the roster with 2 and 3 stars and the idea is that Tubby will "coach em up" then just look at his results at Minnesota and Tech to see how that will work.

That simple.

I think almost by default he will get just barely better players at Memphis than he did MN or TT.

And he will coach in a lesser league.

That alone should mean he's contending for the AAC title.

My concern is what a lot of folks gloss over during his MN stint was that he ran off a lot of good players too.

Can't have that here - have to recruit better than either of those places AND keep them and coach them up.

For this experiment to work at least - to one day be considered a success.

Don't think most are going to backslap and guffaw 5 years from now over 2 NITs and 3 NCAAs.

He's gonna have to rabbit out of a hat one year at the very least.

This is a different demographic than Minnesota or Lubbock

He should be able to do well locally

Hall of fame African American coach in a city full of good African American Players

Let's calm down and see what happens with the next two recruiting classes

(11-17-2016 10:57 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  This is a different demographic than Minnesota or Lubbock

He should be able to do well locally

Hall of fame African American coach in a city full of good African American Players

Let's calm down and see what happens with the next two recruiting classes

Yep...

(11-17-2016 10:57 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  This is a different demographic than Minnesota or Lubbock

He should be able to do well locally

Hall of fame African American coach in a city full of good African American Players

Let's calm down and see what happens with the next two recruiting classes

I think he'll recruit fine.

Again, my minor concern was in running off some talent at MN.

But he seems to be working well with the Lawsons as of right now.

We haven't seen an adversity yet though.

(11-17-2016 10:49 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 09:19 AM)Hoots Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 08:56 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  there's a noticeable difference in the way these kids respond to Tubby over how they responded to Pastner. I'd take a whole stable of 2-3 star kids who are coachable and buy into a game plan over 4 star legends who are only interested in padding their stat columns.

YEP!!

I'll bet the 4 and 5 star players also respond much differently to Tubby.

Charlie Moore is one we could have used:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/moore-sets-...ncaab.html

Wow.
California got a good class this year.

(11-17-2016 10:57 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  This is a different demographic than Minnesota or Lubbock

He should be able to do well locally

Hall of fame African American coach in a city full of good African American Players

Let's calm down and see what happens with the next two recruiting classes

Well, on several occasions he's already stated he doesn't "do" the AAU stuff--and that's where the high profile Memphis kids are.

I haven't scoured the available 2017's but the only two Rivals top 150 that were local or semi local were Nick Weatherspoon and William Douglass--both went elsewhere.

2018 has 5 guys from Memphis, it will be interesting to see what he does. He might only have three schollies available for 18 if he gets 5 guys for 17.

(11-17-2016 11:18 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 10:57 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  This is a different demographic than Minnesota or Lubbock

He should be able to do well locally

Hall of fame African American coach in a city full of good African American Players

Let's calm down and see what happens with the next two recruiting classes

I think he'll recruit fine.

Again, my minor concern was in running off some talent at MN.

But he seems to be working well with the Lawsons as of right now.

We haven't seen an adversity yet though.

Being turd in the punch bowl here, but the three guys he's signed are "nice" players but certainly not any sort of impact guys--if TN or Ole Miss had these three in their class, most Tiger fans would call it a weak group.

Ranking comparison wise, we just got the equivalent of Damien Wilson, Dominic Magee, and Nick Marshall.

(11-17-2016 11:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 11:18 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 10:57 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  This is a different demographic than Minnesota or Lubbock

He should be able to do well locally

Hall of fame African American coach in a city full of good African American Players

Let's calm down and see what happens with the next two recruiting classes

I think he'll recruit fine.

Again, my minor concern was in running off some talent at MN.

But he seems to be working well with the Lawsons as of right now.

We haven't seen an adversity yet though.

Being turd in the punch bowl here, but the three guys he's signed are "nice" players but certainly not any sort of impact guys--if TN or Ole Miss had these three in their class, most Tiger fans would call it a weak group.

Ranking comparison wise, we just got the equivalent of Damien Wilson, Dominic Magee, and Nick Marshall.

It hasn't escaped my notice that the Tubby guys are not yet performing and the Josh guys are playing well (even if the Lawsons are a big part of that).

As of right now, Rykhoek, Clergeot, and Kessee are what would best be described as struggling.

(11-17-2016 06:58 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Too bad he wasn't allowed to play for last season

He's a longer version of Elliot Perry on defense

Won't ever be the shooter EP was but reminds me of him on d

We have a great defensive starting backcourt

Tubby will get the best out of Jeremiah and the rest of the Tigers. Josh was terrible at handling players and getting the most out of them. These guys will only get better and better as the year goes on.

(11-17-2016 11:44 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 11:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 11:18 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 10:57 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  This is a different demographic than Minnesota or Lubbock

He should be able to do well locally

Hall of fame African American coach in a city full of good African American Players

Let's calm down and see what happens with the next two recruiting classes

I think he'll recruit fine.

Again, my minor concern was in running off some talent at MN.

But he seems to be working well with the Lawsons as of right now.

We haven't seen an adversity yet though.

Being turd in the punch bowl here, but the three guys he's signed are "nice" players but certainly not any sort of impact guys--if TN or Ole Miss had these three in their class, most Tiger fans would call it a weak group.

Ranking comparison wise, we just got the equivalent of Damien Wilson, Dominic Magee, and Nick Marshall.

It hasn't escaped my notice that the Tubby guys are not yet performing and the Josh guys are playing well (even if the Lawsons are a big part of that).

As of right now, Rykhoek, Clergeot, and Kessee are what would best be described as struggling.

Clergeot gets a pass from me right now. Tubby is getting a lot out of Craig Randall right now after he spent his first year struggling on the court, and 'learning' from Pastner. Tough to expect a lot out of freshmen this early unless they are top 50 players.

But Kessee and Rykhoek are an issue. Tubby brought them in as one year rentals. They are supposed to be contributing right now.

(11-17-2016 12:20 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  But Kessee and Rykhoek are an issue. Tubby brought them in as one year rentals. They are supposed to be contributing right now.

Agree and think they will.

Like I said in another thread, the body language and confidence are different now.

I see flashes of what each guy can provide - they just will have to work at all putting it together and playing to their strengths.

The core is obviously Lawsons, Markel and Martin.

(11-17-2016 11:44 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 11:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 11:18 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 10:57 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  This is a different demographic than Minnesota or Lubbock

He should be able to do well locally

Hall of fame African American coach in a city full of good African American Players

Let's calm down and see what happens with the next two recruiting classes

I think he'll recruit fine.

Again, my minor concern was in running off some talent at MN.

But he seems to be working well with the Lawsons as of right now.

We haven't seen an adversity yet though.

Being turd in the punch bowl here, but the three guys he's signed are "nice" players but certainly not any sort of impact guys--if TN or Ole Miss had these three in their class, most Tiger fans would call it a weak group.

Ranking comparison wise, we just got the equivalent of Damien Wilson, Dominic Magee, and Nick Marshall.

It hasn't escaped my notice that the Tubby guys are not yet performing and the Josh guys are playing well (even if the Lawsons are a big part of that).

As of right now, Rykhoek, Clergeot, and Kessee are what would best be described as struggling.

They're just not as talented as the josh recruits

(11-17-2016 11:44 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 11:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 11:18 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 10:57 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  This is a different demographic than Minnesota or Lubbock

He should be able to do well locally

Hall of fame African American coach in a city full of good African American Players

Let's calm down and see what happens with the next two recruiting classes

I think he'll recruit fine.

Again, my minor concern was in running off some talent at MN.

But he seems to be working well with the Lawsons as of right now.

We haven't seen an adversity yet though.

Being turd in the punch bowl here, but the three guys he's signed are "nice" players but certainly not any sort of impact guys--if TN or Ole Miss had these three in their class, most Tiger fans would call it a weak group.

Ranking comparison wise, we just got the equivalent of Damien Wilson, Dominic Magee, and Nick Marshall.

It hasn't escaped my notice that the Tubby guys are not yet performing and the Josh guys are playing well (even if the Lawsons are a big part of that).

As of right now, Rykhoek, Clergeot, and Kessee are what would best be described as struggling.

They may have been Pastner guys, but they are all from this city. The Lawson's, Crawford, Martin. Just keep a few Memphis kids here starting in 2018 and we should be rolling. I hope he can get them to stay.