(11-11-2016 11:28 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:15 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'd be careful with your mandate guys. People didn't vote for Trump, they didn't vote for his plan. They voted against it.

Elections have consequences, as your dear leader so eloquently put it.

They do. But mandates need to be earned or the legitimacy of the results will be questioned.

DJT didn't win a mandate.

We appear to have had a legitimate election. Trump won.

Trump did not win the most votes. Period. No mandate. If the Dems get 55% of the votes for US congress but only get 43% of the seats, is that legitimate? At what point does the differential between raw vote and electoral results cast a pall on the legitimacy of the results?

(11-11-2016 11:28 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:15 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'd be careful with your mandate guys. People didn't vote for Trump, they didn't vote for his plan. They voted against it.

Elections have consequences, as your dear leader so eloquently put it.

They do. But mandates need to be earned or the legitimacy of the results will be questioned.

DJT didn't win a mandate.

We appear to have had a legitimate election. Trump won.

Interesting as to how some folks have no problem with the Electoral College until it goes against them.

(11-11-2016 11:30 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:28 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:15 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'd be careful with your mandate guys. People didn't vote for Trump, they didn't vote for his plan. They voted against it.

Elections have consequences, as your dear leader so eloquently put it.

They do. But mandates need to be earned or the legitimacy of the results will be questioned.

DJT didn't win a mandate.

We appear to have had a legitimate election. Trump won.

Trump did not win the most votes. Period. No mandate. If the Dems get 55% of the votes for US congress but only get 43% of the seats, is that legitimate? At what point does the differential between raw vote and electoral results cast a pall on the legitimacy of the results?

The answer is never, we don't have a national election in this country. Enough people in enough states chose Trump over Clinton.

That's the way the law works in this country.

Suck it up, wait your four years like a lot have had to wait the past eight, try again in 2020. And if you can somehow win this fictional "mandate" then your guys can try to change the laws again to favor your side.

Good luck, your guys will need it.

Tom,

If not mandate against your candidates for POTUS, HoR and Senate,.....,would you prefer the word,.. rejection, or repudiation or just plain no?

(11-11-2016 11:30 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:28 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:15 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'd be careful with your mandate guys. People didn't vote for Trump, they didn't vote for his plan. They voted against it.

Elections have consequences, as your dear leader so eloquently put it.

They do. But mandates need to be earned or the legitimacy of the results will be questioned.

DJT didn't win a mandate.

We appear to have had a legitimate election. Trump won.

Trump did not win the most votes. Period. No mandate. If the Dems get 55% of the votes for US congress but only get 43% of the seats, is that legitimate? At what point does the differential between raw vote and electoral results cast a pall on the legitimacy of the results?

With the exception of an faithless elector, it doesn't. Period. End. Of. Story.

Elections have consequences.

Most countries that directly elect their President by popular vote tend to get demagogs for leaders anyway. I can do without turning the US into a South American "democracy". Those tend to have very bad political histories.

(11-11-2016 10:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Don't even start that lie. If you're taking money from the government, you ARENT a charity. None of those programs even get half their funding from charity.

??? Did you even understand what I said? Apparently not. It is NOT the government's job to take over charity work. You and all other Americans are free to start and run (and raise your own money for, by the way) any charity to help any group or groups you wish to. Tom, why no big (or 3% at least) Gays for poor lepers non-profits? Why no Tarns for poor workers non-profits? Why no LBGTQRSTUVWXYZ... for d@mn near ANYTHING BUT THEMSELVES???

Stop the BS and show that YOU care by taking YOUR OWN money and YOUR OWN time and go help those YOU want to help instead of your whining.

But before you do, here's your list, Tom, go get some help for yourself (from a non-profit charity that actually helps people in need like you clearly are:

It is clear you are in deep pain, and have been suffering for many years, but you won't get anywhere by remaining in the near-total denial you have been exhibiting on here for years. There are several 12-step programs available, pick one or two and give them a fair trial of a few months. And go sit there and just LISTEN for a while:

Alcoholics Anonymous: http://www.aa.org/
or, if you grew up affected by the disease:
http://www.al-anon.org/find-a-meeting
as well as: https://www.na.org/
and: http://emotionsanonymous.org/
http://www.sa.org/
http://www.sanon.org/
http://www.celebraterecovery.com/

I'm being serious. You won't get anywhere by continuing to cover up what is really going on with what you're doing. It's been plain as day for anyone who views your posts and understands your problems. Get some help, man, you owe it to yourself, and you'll be happier and get your life back.

(11-11-2016 10:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Basically, all of the non-fundy social workers will lose their jobs because all of the tax dollars will go to fundamentalist charities that won't serve non-christians and won't hire them.

Since you're so much smarter than they are, and you have all the answers and know who should be helped WHY NOT GO START YOUR OWN CHARITY AND HELP THE PEOPLE YOU WANT TO YOURSELF? Oh, i know, it'sd be actual WORK, and you are against that.

(11-11-2016 10:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Or they'll make Gay people and athiests listen to messages the consider hateful to get taxpayer funded social services.

So go Start your OWN and see if people want to listen to YOUR OWN messages of hate (you will of course find that they do not, and you won't find many donors for your own hate either, but truth hurts, don't it?)

(11-11-2016 10:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Or they simply wont have any services.

Go start YOUR OWN and give what ever services you wish! You are the brilliant genius, so you can make the difference you want to see.

(11-11-2016 10:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And you simply claim that because you think that the US was founded to be a Christian nation (it was explicitly not) that you have the right to privileged treatment.

Wrong again, Tom. Just READ the actual documents and tell me how they don;t say that you, me and everyone else here gets our rights from a Creator and NOT form the government. Just try to address that question instead of making it up yourself for once. Again, if you are having problems with denial and admitting the truth, here's your list of non-profits where you can get yourself some real help:

There are several 12-step programs available, pick one or two and give them a fair trial of a few months. And go sit there and just LISTEN for a while:

Alcoholics Anonymous: http://www.aa.org/
or, if you grew up affected by the disease:
http://www.al-anon.org/find-a-meeting
as well as: https://www.na.org/
and: http://emotionsanonymous.org/
http://www.sa.org/
http://www.sanon.org/
http://www.celebraterecovery.com/


But hey, if you don't like what they're sayin' then you can always start one of your OWN as well. NO ONE BUT YOU IS STOPPING YOU.

(11-11-2016 11:42 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 10:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Don't even start that lie. If you're taking money from the government, you ARENT a charity. None of those programs even get half their funding from charity.

??? Did you even understand what I said? Apparently not. It is NOT the government's job to take over charity work. You and all other Americans are free to start and run (and raise your own money for, by the way) any charity to help any group or groups you wish to. Tom, why no big (or 3% at least) Gays for poor lepers non-profits? Why no Tarns for poor workers non-profits? Why no LBGTQRSTUVWXYZ... for d@mn near ANYTHING BUT THEMSELVES???

Stop the BS and show that YOU care by taking YOUR OWN money and YOUR OWN time and go help those YOU want to help instead of your whining.

But before you do, here's your list, Tom, go get some help for yourself (from a non-profit charity that actually helps people in need like you clearly are:

It is clear you are in deep pain, and have been suffering for many years, but you won't get anywhere by remaining in the near-total denial you have been exhibiting on here for years. There are several 12-step programs available, pick one or two and give them a fair trial of a few months. And go sit there and just LISTEN for a while:

Alcoholics Anonymous: http://www.aa.org/
or, if you grew up affected by the disease:
http://www.al-anon.org/find-a-meeting
as well as: https://www.na.org/
and: http://emotionsanonymous.org/
http://www.sa.org/
http://www.sanon.org/
http://www.celebraterecovery.com/

I'm being serious. You won't get anywhere by continuing to cover up what is really going on with what you're doing. It's been plain as day for anyone who views your posts and understands your problems. Get some help, man, you owe it to yourself, and you'll be happier and get your life back.

(11-11-2016 10:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Basically, all of the non-fundy social workers will lose their jobs because all of the tax dollars will go to fundamentalist charities that won't serve non-christians and won't hire them.

Since you're so much smarter than they are, and you have all the answers and know who should be helped WHY NOT GO START YOUR OWN CHARITY AND HELP THE PEOPLE YOU WANT TO YOURSELF? Oh, i know, it'sd be actual WORK, and you are against that.

(11-11-2016 10:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Or they'll make Gay people and athiests listen to messages the consider hateful to get taxpayer funded social services.

So go Start your OWN and see if people want to listen to YOUR OWN messages of hate (you will of course find that they do not, and you won't find many donors for your own hate either, but truth hurts, don't it?)

(11-11-2016 10:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Or they simply wont have any services.

Go start YOUR OWN and give what ever services you wish! You are the brilliant genius, so you can make the difference you want to see.

(11-11-2016 10:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And you simply claim that because you think that the US was founded to be a Christian nation (it was explicitly not) that you have the right to privileged treatment.

Wrong again, Tom. Just READ the actual documents and tell me how they don;t say that you, me and everyone else here gets our rights from a Creator and NOT form the government. Just try to address that question instead of making it up yourself for once. Again, if you are having problems with denial and admitting the truth, here's your list of non-profits where you can get yourself some real help:

There are several 12-step programs available, pick one or two and give them a fair trial of a few months. And go sit there and just LISTEN for a while:

Alcoholics Anonymous: http://www.aa.org/
or, if you grew up affected by the disease:
http://www.al-anon.org/find-a-meeting
as well as: https://www.na.org/
and: http://emotionsanonymous.org/
http://www.sa.org/
http://www.sanon.org/
http://www.celebraterecovery.com/


But hey, if you don't like what they're sayin' then you can always start one of your OWN as well. NO ONE BUT YOU IS STOPPING YOU.

Sure, give us 4 billion in government grants like Catholic Charities does....and 3 billion like the Salvation Army gets....and we will be on our way. We might even raise 10 percent of our budget through tax deductions. And 200 billion to build hospitals and equip them.

When liberals get charities, they can't get funding (see Planned Parenthood). Even Legacy here in Houston didn't get funding when the HIV/AIDS money was pulled from PP (and replaced with 'nothing'). Why? Because Legacy hires Gay people and serves that community with respect.

What is misunderstood about this election is that if it were determined only on the popular vote, Trump would have run a slightly different campaign and likely would have won anyway.

Hillary was a bad candidate.

KellyAnne Conway is that good!
Glass ceilings shattered!

(11-11-2016 11:30 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:28 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:15 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 11:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'd be careful with your mandate guys. People didn't vote for Trump, they didn't vote for his plan. They voted against it.

Elections have consequences, as your dear leader so eloquently put it.

They do. But mandates need to be earned or the legitimacy of the results will be questioned.

DJT didn't win a mandate.

We appear to have had a legitimate election. Trump won.

Trump did not win the most votes. Period. No mandate. If the Dems get 55% of the votes for US congress but only get 43% of the seats, is that legitimate? At what point does the differential between raw vote and electoral results cast a pall on the legitimacy of the results?

You're like the football coach who touts winning Time Of Possession in all his games while getting blown out by the other team 55-7 45-10, 73-14, etc....and saying "we're not a bad football team." (Hint, check #128 out or the Bottom 10 or 25.) The game is touchdowns, or in this case, electoral votes. Doesn't matter if she won popular vote by 150 million votes or 1 vote even. Maybe some of those should move to "flyover states and ignorant south." Oh, wait, apparently many are moving...out of the country to escape being prosecuted for their illegal choices and actions. An America run by Legal Americans who love their own country and Constitution more than others...what a concept.

Oh yeah, here's your list, Tom. Go get yourself some help:

But before you do, here's your list, Tom, go get some help for yourself (from a non-profit charity that actually helps people in need like you clearly are:

It is clear you are in deep pain, and have been suffering for many years, but you won't get anywhere by remaining in the near-total denial you have been exhibiting on here for years. There are several 12-step programs available, pick one or two and give them a fair trial of a few months. And go sit there and just LISTEN for a while:

Alcoholics Anonymous: http://www.aa.org/
or, if you grew up affected by the disease:
http://www.al-anon.org/find-a-meeting
as well as: https://www.na.org/
and: http://emotionsanonymous.org/
http://www.sa.org/
http://www.sanon.org/
http://www.celebraterecovery.com/

I'm being serious. You won't get anywhere by continuing to cover up what is really going on with what you're doing. It's been plain as day for anyone who views your posts and understands your problems. Get some help, man, you owe it to yourself, and you'll be happier and get your life back.

Dude, leave Tom alone. He's a good guy. Just because his perspective differs doesn't mean he deserves the type of response you are cramming down all of our throats.

3 % ' ers cram a ton down all the normal folks throats. What's wrong can't stand the heat?

(11-11-2016 12:02 PM)YNot Wrote:  Dude, leave Tom alone. He's a good guy. Just because his perspective differs doesn't mean he deserves the type of response you are cramming down all of our throats.

I don't think you understand Tom. He loves being in the center of the circle. It fuels him. Please show him that respect. I know I do.

(11-11-2016 12:09 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 12:02 PM)YNot Wrote:  Dude, leave Tom alone. He's a good guy. Just because his perspective differs doesn't mean he deserves the type of response you are cramming down all of our throats.

I don't think you understand Tom. He loves being in the center of the circle. It fuels him. Please show him that respect. I know I do.

Its just that you've run off pretty much everyone in the MAJORITY of people in this country that didn't support DJT from this board.

You guys live in a bubble.

(11-11-2016 12:09 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 12:02 PM)YNot Wrote:  Dude, leave Tom alone. He's a good guy. Just because his perspective differs doesn't mean he deserves the type of response you are cramming down all of our throats.

I don't think you understand Tom. He loves being in the center of the circle. It fuels him. Please show him that respect. I know I do.

Oh, I enjoy the debate. But, the lengthy emails riddled with personal attacks detract from the debate and have become extremely tiresome.

YNOT,

You must be referring to the MANDATE that just occurred... right?

(11-11-2016 12:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 12:09 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 12:02 PM)YNot Wrote:  Dude, leave Tom alone. He's a good guy. Just because his perspective differs doesn't mean he deserves the type of response you are cramming down all of our throats.

I don't think you understand Tom. He loves being in the center of the circle. It fuels him. Please show him that respect. I know I do.

Its just that you've run off pretty much everyone in the MAJORITY of people in this country that didn't support DJT from this board.

You guys live in a bubble.

Guess what? The MAJORITY of people in this country didn't support HRC either.

(11-11-2016 12:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 12:09 PM)Dasville Wrote:  I don't think you understand Tom. He loves being in the center of the circle. It fuels him. Please show him that respect. I know I do.

Its just that you've run off pretty much everyone in the MAJORITY of people in this country that didn't support DJT from this board.

You guys live in a bubble.

Time of Possession (TOP). Will never guarantee you win the game...never. Concept works in other areas of life as well. Get some help. Get into a program and deal with your issues. You'll be happier, Tom. Your pain is obvious,as is your denial:

Alcoholics Anonymous: http://www.aa.org/
or, if you grew up affected by the disease:
http://www.al-anon.org/find-a-meeting
as well as: https://www.na.org/
and: http://emotionsanonymous.org/
http://www.sa.org/
http://www.sanon.org/
http://www.celebraterecovery.com/

(11-11-2016 12:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 12:09 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 12:02 PM)YNot Wrote:  Dude, leave Tom alone. He's a good guy. Just because his perspective differs doesn't mean he deserves the type of response you are cramming down all of our throats.

I don't think you understand Tom. He loves being in the center of the circle. It fuels him. Please show him that respect. I know I do.

Its just that you've run off pretty much everyone in the MAJORITY of people in this country that didn't support DJT from this board.

You guys live in a bubble.

You definitely deserve some credit for hanging around. 95% of the rest of libs from here don't have the backbone to show up anymore. Only difference is Mach and the other couple aren't babbling on about changing the system because it didn't pan out for them this time. You're discounting the EC process and trying to segregate african americans in DC so they can vote how you want them to vote.

(11-11-2016 12:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 12:09 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 12:02 PM)YNot Wrote:  Dude, leave Tom alone. He's a good guy. Just because his perspective differs doesn't mean he deserves the type of response you are cramming down all of our throats.

I don't think you understand Tom. He loves being in the center of the circle. It fuels him. Please show him that respect. I know I do.

Its just that you've run off pretty much everyone in the MAJORITY of people in this country that didn't support DJT from this board.

You guys live in a bubble.

Noone ran them off. They took lifetime ban bets and lost.