JR,

Just out of curiosity ... how does Nebraska merit $40M from Big Ten, while WV does not merit $40M from SEC? Their state populations are almost the exact same.

Corbett,

I fully understand "sources said" is "good enough" these days. And actually, I do understand protecting sources and why they have to be used. That's fine, I'm not really mad about that.

But my strong opinion - yes opinion, not fact - is that the B12 prez have no idea what is going to happen tomorrow night and Monday. So, at best, any non-prez source is someone who has talked to the prez about his opinion on the matter as of say within a week. But again, even that opinion is moot if it doesn't win out with the other nine prez.

So you see, even what one prez thinks right now is basically worthless. Not's not reportable. But don't tell that to these clickbait slingers!


So: just wait! Monday afternoon, people can gloat all they want about how they "called it" and all this other BS.

(10-15-2016 03:45 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  JR,

Just out of curiosity ... how does Nebraska merit $40M from Big Ten, while WV does not merit $40M from SEC? Their state populations are almost the exact same.

Come on Bison! Nebraska (whether they've been worth a hoot in the last 10 years or not) is a historical national brand in the sport. West Virginia is a strong very niche regional program with a small alumni base. It's not even close. Nebraska until joining the Big 10 was AAU. WVU ranks almost 20 points lower than the SEC's lowest academically rated school, Mississippi State. Nebraska wins this all day every day, and when Nebraska joined the Big 10 was still getting paid in the 20 million plus range, not 40. The SEC will likely pay out a little over 40 this year.

Oh, and when SEC schools have visited Lincoln our pregnant women in attendance didn't get punched by a drunken group of fans looking for a brawl, and Husker fans don't burn Barcaloungers!

WV is no research behemoth, but it does more research than Miss, Miss St, Alabama, and Auburn. Read it and weep: https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/herd/2014/html...ST_18.html

Ah, but you said "academics". The magical word whose definition can be subjectively crafted to mean whatever you want it to mean.

AAU? Neither Neb or WV are AAU. Nothing else can be said about that.

Payment before joining? Neb $20M, WV is getting what $30M now in the Big 12?


No comment on punching people or burning things.

If the B12 wants a really big payday, they will take Memphis and their financial package plus one other team, then tell espn that they still have a pro rata for 4 teams/$100million per year. If they would like the pro rata to disappear, up the money.

win win win for the B12. They get to 12 teams to help their playoff chances, they get the financial windfall from Memphis, and they get another financial windfall from ESPN.

I have nothing against wvu. It's ridiculous that they are in the big 12. It's a step past absurdity consider them to the SEC

Nebraska and mizzou should be in the big12. Espn has effed it all up

(10-15-2016 03:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  WV is no research behemoth, but it does more research than Miss, Miss St, Alabama, and Auburn. Read it and weep: https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/herd/2014/html...ST_18.html

Ah, but you said "academics". The magical word whose definition can be subjectively crafted to mean whatever you want it to mean.

AAU? Neither Neb or WV are AAU. Nothing else can be said about that.

Payment before joining? Neb $20M, WV is getting what $30M now in the Big 12?


No comment on punching people or burning things.

And everyone including the networks acknowledge that the Big 12 has been purposefully overpaid. Research is nebulous as well Bison. Auburn is one of the premier veterinary medical research schools in the country. Aerospace engineering is quite stout as well. But our roots are agricultural. Alabama's medical school in Birmingham took on a life of its own, and I'm glad. Our schools are divided differently in the South and some of those divisions are as old as reconstruction constitutions.

But, no matter how you cut it West Virginia to the SEC isn't viable.

(10-15-2016 03:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  WV is no research behemoth, but it does more research than Miss, Miss St, Alabama, and Auburn. Read it and weep: https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/herd/2014/html...ST_18.html

Ah, but you said "academics". The magical word whose definition can be subjectively crafted to mean whatever you want it to mean.

AAU? Neither Neb or WV are AAU. Nothing else can be said about that.

Payment before joining? Neb $20M, WV is getting what $30M now in the Big 12?


No comment on punching people or burning things.

I gotta put you on ignore. You have a unique skill for for luring people into absurd discussions.

So!!!!! UAB is a much stronger academics than Alabama, and see who is calling all the shots?

It seems if you have the better academics? It do not get you into a P5 conference period.

PAC 12 could take Cal.-Davis in a heartbeat if they could expand their stadium and get into the MWC for a few years.

(10-15-2016 03:45 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  JR,

Just out of curiosity ... how does Nebraska merit $40M from Big Ten, while WV does not merit $40M from SEC? Their state populations are almost the exact same.

Because Nebraska has a legendary football program and is a very above average academic school. West Virginia isn't a legendary football school and has below average academics. Nebraska has a couple of cities people are moving to because of good jobs ($) West Virginia is poor and getting poorer. Nebraska is a very highly educated state. WV-isn't. I can list more obvious reasons but I think you already know the differences between Nebraska and WV. If not, Google the two states and schools.
Cheers!

(10-15-2016 03:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  I have nothing against wvu. It's ridiculous that they are in the big 12. It's a step past absurdity consider them to the SEC

Nebraska and mizzou should be in the big12. Espn has effed it all up

You're selling WVU's athletic programs way short. 14th in all time wins in FB, top 25 in all time wins in bball, has played for national titles etc etc etc

(10-15-2016 05:13 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 03:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  I have nothing against wvu. It's ridiculous that they are in the big 12. It's a step past absurdity consider them to the SEC

Nebraska and mizzou should be in the big12. Espn has effed it all up

You're selling WVU's athletic programs way short. 14th in all time wins in FB, top 25 in all time wins in bball, has played for national titles etc etc etc

WVU isn't anywhere near Nebraska's league as a football blue-chip brand, but ... I could see WVU as a decent addition to the SEC some day. The football culture fits.

And what has Nebraska done to deserve their payday???? They certainly didn't bring a bunch of new carriage fees to the BTN! That's for certain.

Maybe they were a great program .... in the 90's.

SK,

I think what you mean to say, is that I sometimes try to start a discussion from a viewpoint that may not make "common" sense, and I don't make it trivial to win.

I agree that does rub some folks the wrong way, sometimes.

Discussion, is what I call it. That's what the message board is for.


But enjoy the silence, my friend.

(10-15-2016 05:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 05:13 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 03:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  I have nothing against wvu. It's ridiculous that they are in the big 12. It's a step past absurdity consider them to the SEC

Nebraska and mizzou should be in the big12. Espn has effed it all up

You're selling WVU's athletic programs way short. 14th in all time wins in FB, top 25 in all time wins in bball, has played for national titles etc etc etc

WVU isn't anywhere near Nebraska's league as a football blue-chip brand, but ... I could see WVU as a decent addition to the SEC some day. The football culture fits.

You're right, I wasn't implying we were on Nebraska's level, the Memphis fan came across like we didn't belong in the P5 at all.

I don't know if WVU will end up in the SEC or ACC or not but I don't think it's a huge stretch the way some of you seem to think it is.

(10-15-2016 05:16 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  And what has Nebraska done to deserve their payday???? They certainly didn't bring a bunch of new carriage fees to the BTN! That's for certain.

Maybe they were a great program .... in the 90's.

They were better in the 70's. Everyone forgets what it was that made Bob Devaney and then Tom Osborne, Bo Shcembechler, Barry Switzer, and Woody Hayes. It was Jim Crow and segregation. Just check out where the headline African American players on those teams came from. Some were from the North true enough. But many of the big names were from the South where black athletes were not integrated into SEC rosters until the '71 & '72 seasons. Then it took almost a decade for the SEC to catch up.

So the best of un-recruited talent from the Southeast, high ceilings on scholarships, unlimited signings, and ABC's game of the week pre OU/UGA lawsuit all made these guys. Good coaches? Sure they were. But those circumstances not only put them over the top, but held their competition down.

(10-15-2016 05:18 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 05:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 05:13 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 03:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  I have nothing against wvu. It's ridiculous that they are in the big 12. It's a step past absurdity consider them to the SEC

Nebraska and mizzou should be in the big12. Espn has effed it all up

You're selling WVU's athletic programs way short. 14th in all time wins in FB, top 25 in all time wins in bball, has played for national titles etc etc etc

WVU isn't anywhere near Nebraska's league as a football blue-chip brand, but ... I could see WVU as a decent addition to the SEC some day. The football culture fits.

You're right, I wasn't implying we were on Nebraska's level, the Memphis fan came across like we didn't belong in the P5 at all.

I don't know if WVU will end up in the SEC or ACC or not but I don't think it's a huge stretch the way some of you seem to think it is.

I think you have a good shot at the ACC in spite of what their fans say. At #15 or #16 in the SEC you don't have much of a shot at all. Priorities by the conference are the reason. However, should we ever move to say 3 divisions of 6 at 18 members then there are several scenarios that might give WVU a look. But that's about it.

At 16 we want two to the West to balance divisions. If the ACC were available (and they are not) you would be down the priority list by at least 4, so probably out. Going to 18 from the Big 12 would be your best shot at the SEC.

(10-15-2016 04:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 03:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  WV is no research behemoth, but it does more research than Miss, Miss St, Alabama, and Auburn. Read it and weep: https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/herd/2014/html...ST_18.html

Ah, but you said "academics". The magical word whose definition can be subjectively crafted to mean whatever you want it to mean.

AAU? Neither Neb or WV are AAU. Nothing else can be said about that.

Payment before joining? Neb $20M, WV is getting what $30M now in the Big 12?


No comment on punching people or burning things.

And everyone including the networks acknowledge that the Big 12 has been purposefully overpaid. Research is nebulous as well Bison. Auburn is one of the premier veterinary medical research schools in the country. Aerospace engineering is quite stout as well. But our roots are agricultural. Alabama's medical school in Birmingham took on a life of its own, and I'm glad. Our schools are divided differently in the South and some of those divisions are as old as reconstruction constitutions.

But, no matter how you cut it West Virginia to the SEC isn't viable.

Personally I think they'd be perfect in the east and advocated them over Missouri back in 2011.

(10-15-2016 05:46 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 04:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 03:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  WV is no research behemoth, but it does more research than Miss, Miss St, Alabama, and Auburn. Read it and weep: https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/herd/2014/html...ST_18.html

Ah, but you said "academics". The magical word whose definition can be subjectively crafted to mean whatever you want it to mean.

AAU? Neither Neb or WV are AAU. Nothing else can be said about that.

Payment before joining? Neb $20M, WV is getting what $30M now in the Big 12?


No comment on punching people or burning things.

And everyone including the networks acknowledge that the Big 12 has been purposefully overpaid. Research is nebulous as well Bison. Auburn is one of the premier veterinary medical research schools in the country. Aerospace engineering is quite stout as well. But our roots are agricultural. Alabama's medical school in Birmingham took on a life of its own, and I'm glad. Our schools are divided differently in the South and some of those divisions are as old as reconstruction constitutions.

But, no matter how you cut it West Virginia to the SEC isn't viable.

Personally I think they'd be perfect in the east and advocated them over Missouri back in 2011.

I wasn't as uncomfortable with them in 2011, but the President's were. It was more than just the Missouri market that kept them out.

(10-15-2016 03:56 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If the B12 wants a really big payday, they will take Memphis and their financial package bribe plus one other team, then tell espn that they still have a pro rata for 4 teams/$100million per year. If they would like the pro rata to disappear, up the money.

win win win for the B12. They get to 12 teams to help their playoff chances, they get the financial windfall from Memphis, and they get another financial windfall from ESPN.

They didn't make an in-person presentation, so why should they become an even bigger laughingstock by inviting a school who didn't "make the cut"?

I also fixed your mistake.